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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 20, 2008 16:00:12 GMT -6
We apparently are going to have our first dealings with girls on our junior high team this year. We had this thread last year(?) and I don't mind girls playing football. If they are good enough to play I say let them. A concern I have as a high school coach, is likehood of the girls continuing to play in high school. Will we be giving game/practice time to them instead of preparing boys who could be playing for us next year.
OK, now I don't want any sophomoric comments - but for those coaches who have girls on their team - is there extra pads that I may have to get for the girls?
I am concerned and working on rooms to dress in and storage of their equipment may be a problem. It will all workout but I'm sure there wil be some headaches...
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 20, 2008 16:05:14 GMT -6
we have had girls play before.
about every 2 or 3 years we will have at least 1 girl play frosh ball. Usually small and play WR. not very good
we actually had one girl who played for 3 years. Did not play her senior year (wanted to train for shot put)
played JV her frosh and sophomore years. Actually got a decent amount of playing time. She was a big strong girl. About 5 10 and big. Went to state in shotput this last year
we had a separate room for her to change in. No extra pads though
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Post by CoachCP on Jul 20, 2008 17:10:17 GMT -6
I coached a youth girl in a spring ball league. No extra pads.
I look at it this way, you never know what this girl may grow up to be. If you don't give her any playing time, she may be negative and spread it around the community. If you play her and its positive, she's a positive source for the team, and women around the program can be very positive.
Hell, who knows, maybe she'll be a heck of a player for you.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 20, 2008 17:21:59 GMT -6
My feeling is you let them come out just like anyone else - when you say "You can't" it just creates more buzz for their cause. I've had 3 girls try out for my teams during the past 25+ years. 2 cut themselves after a couple of days of conditioning. The other one became an all conference kicker and set a school record for PAT's - she was also a darn good athlete (soccer) - and made a few tackles on kickoffs. Let them cut themselves and any "problems" go away. Telling them NO just creates more problems.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 20, 2008 18:21:50 GMT -6
plus if you tell them NO
i am pretty sure you open yourself up for lawsuits and a very good chance you will be fired. At least where i am from... that is what would happen
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Post by k on Jul 20, 2008 18:38:34 GMT -6
There is a girl who is a soph who would EASILY have started for the Freshman team last year if she played. She benches over 200 and runs well. In addition to knowing more about football than just about every kid on the team.
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 20, 2008 18:44:34 GMT -6
Had 2 girls try to make the football team. One was a corpulent young lady who could not keep up physically and was cut. The other one was a junior High girl who actually started a few games at OG. In the end, as the boys got better, she got smashed a lot. Good technique, not enough physical strength. Both were linemen, neither got special pads.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 20, 2008 19:12:27 GMT -6
Girls that can bench press 200 lb's or state shotput champion, good grief guys what are y'all feeding these girls. Amazing.
I had a girl that I wanted to come out and kick. She is over 6' tall and could kick the football better than any of my guys. But she didn't want to do it. Amazing athlete that will play college sports in whatever she choses.
In reality, a few years ago, 3 girls were allowed to play on a newly formed high school. There were no tryouts, and they played a JV schedule their first year. In a tackling drill one of the girls was hurt, the coaches did not know how much though. She had burst her spleen, and almost died. I don't know who hit her, that's been debated for a while. Thankfully the coaches were attentive and got her medical attention.
Not my program. OJW
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Post by k on Jul 20, 2008 19:23:41 GMT -6
Girls that can bench press 200 lb's or state shotput champion, good grief guys what are y'all feeding these girls. Amazing. I've got 16 year old boys who are 85 pounds too...
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Post by fatkicker on Jul 20, 2008 19:33:30 GMT -6
a girl on my powerlifting team was 5'11" and weighed about 270.......she set the super heavyweight bench record for girls at 200lbs.......
i tried to get her to play.....she wouldn't do it......she would've made a great 3 technique....
i've got 2 more girls coming up.......one about 6'2" 240.......she benched for the first time ever last month at 160lbs.....she's a sophomore........she'll kill the bench record in 2 years......
the other girl is a 9th grader.......bout 6'3" bout 250.........never seen her workout.....but i'm recruitin' the heck outta her........she can probably press the whole gym........
i'd let 'em both play.....wouldn't lose any sleep over it either.....
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Post by unc31 on Jul 20, 2008 19:40:24 GMT -6
Quick reply for coachbud....why would the football coach be fired if he did not want a girl to come out for football? Would the same happen to the volleyball coach who would not let the boys come out for volleyball? I doubt it. Are boys at your school allowed to play female sports? If not that is a double standard that I do not believe would stand in a court of law. My brother is an attorney. I will run this one by him just to get his take on it. Title 9 is well and good and I am for opportunities for girls, but if there is a double standard, there is no leg to stand on. Personally, I would let a girl try out. I have been a head coach for 27 years and it would not bother me in the least. ( although the Colorado scenario is disturbing)
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Post by k on Jul 20, 2008 19:47:19 GMT -6
Quick reply for coachbud....why would the football coach be fired if he did not want a girl to come out for football? Would the same happen to the volleyball coach who would not let the boys come out for volleyball? I've seen guys play field hockey on girls teams and do cheer leading. Hell the president of the United States played a girls sport.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 20, 2008 19:50:55 GMT -6
Quick reply for coachbud....why would the football coach be fired if he did not want a girl to come out for football? Would the same happen to the volleyball coach who would not let the boys come out for volleyball? I doubt it. Are boys at your school allowed to play female sports? If not that is a double standard that I do not believe would stand in a court of law. My brother is an attorney. I will run this one by him just to get his take on it. Title 9 is well and good and I am for opportunities for girls, but if there is a double standard, there is no leg to stand on. Personally, I would let a girl try out. I have been a head coach for 27 years and it would not bother me in the least. ( although the Colorado scenario is disturbing) the thing is there is boys and girls volleyball. With all other sports their are split into boys/girls teams. With the exception of football. With football their is no such thing as boys/girls football. Football is football period and it has to be open for both sexes to participate.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 20, 2008 19:59:52 GMT -6
Here in Florida, at least in our county, girls are allowed to play football and girls are allowed to play boys soccer. Boys are NOT allowed to play on any women's teams. Not equal, but there is no equity in a large number of US laws. I personally know of no lawsuits where boys were trying to get on a girls team...well at least not to actually play the sport.
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Post by coachbb on Jul 20, 2008 20:11:49 GMT -6
I had my first experience with a girl last year. I learned a couple of pointers.
1. No extra pads are necessary, but you can't play her at center or QB.
2. Make sure the girl's coaches issue her a locker if she changes in the girls' lockerroom. Our girl last year went through the whole football season without the girls' coaches issuing her a locker (boys' coaches didn't know about this until she lost her equipment).
3. Watch what you say. It only takes one comment for a parent to try to put your head on the chopping block. I didn't experience this, but another coach did a couple years back.
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Post by unc31 on Jul 21, 2008 7:07:34 GMT -6
Oh, I see. Well in NC it is not that way. Volleyball is female only. No way would the NCHSAA allow a boy to play volleyball. Cheerleading has always had guys, even back in the 20's and 30's.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 21, 2008 7:20:39 GMT -6
their is an easy way to deal with females on a football field. 1.Outside drill 2. Oklahoma
Puts an end to females real fast at the HS level.
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Post by davecisar on Jul 21, 2008 9:22:55 GMT -6
Boys are not allowed to play on the Volleyball teams here ( No boys Volleyball) Girls are allowed to play football and wrestle vs boys. What is next? Boxing Men Vs Women, MMA Men vs Women? Then we wonder why guys think it's ok to hit women IMHO. Yep, graying that line of seperation has done wonders for us all, sissyfying boys and the encouraging masculinity in girls. In many High schools the girls fight as much as the boys do, never happened in my day.
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Post by saddleshoes on Jul 21, 2008 19:03:40 GMT -6
I officiated for a team that had a girl kicker for two years....
The first time I saw her she kicked the all her Point After Trys to win the game by one point to spoil the home team's homecoming game.
The next year she was a senior and I worked her teams homecoming. Guess who was elected homecoming queen that year...... She was out there at half time in her football uniform getting a crown placed on her head by the football team captain. (IT made for a great newspaper photo!)
She went on the University of Illinois on a free ride playing soccer.
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Post by wingt74 on Jul 21, 2008 20:07:10 GMT -6
Do they have to wear cups?
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 21, 2008 20:23:39 GMT -6
Do they have to wear cups? boys dont have to, cant imagine they would either
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Post by k on Jul 21, 2008 21:03:04 GMT -6
boys dont have to, cant imagine they would either *Scene from gridiron gang*
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 21, 2008 23:18:33 GMT -6
What's the issue?
liberalhater says to use the Oklahoma or outside drill. Are these drills used on a regular basis? If not, that's cheap. If so, what if the girl sticks with it? Would a drill be invented to make it so that she couldn't succeed? Boys will see right through this and a real man wouldn't follow a coach who would set something up like this just get a girl to quit.
But that's probably wasn't what was implied, right?
I've had 5 girls play for me over 26 years. Three stuck it out and of the 5, two were on championship teams. Not many boys quit during the seasons that the gal stuck it out.
If you're smart, you'll find a way to use it to your advantage.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 22, 2008 1:16:33 GMT -6
where I was outside and oklahoma were regular. If the girl carries the ball as she would in veer offense on outside drill? SHE GETS DRILLED! Women aint meant to be hit like that. Same with oklahoma. You cant put them up against the weak every time. Sooner or later, They are going to have to go up against the kid who is 6-3 300 and can out run her. Especially here in the state of florida.
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Post by towtheline on Jul 22, 2008 11:15:31 GMT -6
I think there is a movie about this coming out
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Post by mrigg on Jul 22, 2008 14:27:54 GMT -6
The girl that played on our freshman team last year brought her own "extra" pads. It was some sort of a chest protector; I'm not sure where she got it. We don't have any junior football so everyone starts out with no experience. She held her own for the first week since she is a black belt in judo or something. (Everyone looks good against hand shields.)Once the pads were on it was a different story. She always wound up in the line with the smaller kids (tackling or blocking drills). For the most part the guys would pull up before they hit her on a couple of occasions she got in the wrong line and got popped pretty good.
I don't care who is on the team but they have to work hard. When guys are pulling because they don’t want to hit a girl I understand. However two things are happening 1. No one will pull up on her in a game. 2. I don't want anyone going half speed in full speed drills. She is not fast, not tall, not strong, not in great shape a little on the heavy side. Where do those kids play… I had her on my OL and DL. She started kick return so she pretty much didn’t hit anyone unless there was a blow out and she got in late in the game.
My biggest concern is I can’t let a kid get hurt. She finished the season with us and I thought she was done, but she came to 1 work out this summer. If she plays this year it will be a higher level and she is too weak to play a at freshman level. We never cut players but unless she becomes a place kicker I’m not sure there is a place on the field that is safe for her to play.
Also we do have volleyball so we don't have to let her play.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2008 14:30:46 GMT -6
where I was outside and oklahoma were regular. If the girl carries the ball as she would in veer offense on outside drill? SHE GETS DRILLED! Women aint meant to be hit like that. Same with oklahoma. You cant put them up against the weak every time. Sooner or later, They are going to have to go up against the kid who is 6-3 300 and can out run her. Especially here in the state of florida. More evidence that we have found the missing link here on the hueyboards. Do you put your small BOYS against the kid who is 6-3 300 in drills specifically devised to inflict pain on the smaller one? IF SO..please let me know where you coach. I know several ambulance chasers who are in need of some quick cash with the current housing market. Matching up relatively equal practice partners is just GOOD coaching. Good, is good. Other than taking the necessary steps (separate dressing, things like that) she is just one of the gang and should be treated as such. As far as the original posters worry that this was taking away reps from "boys who could be playing for us next year"...well, if they are successful as girls, why do you think they wouldn't come back out? If they AREN'T successful as girls, then it is no different than any of the other little pissant prepubescent boys that litter the jr. high football fields, getting run over by the 15 year old who is already 3 years into maturation.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 22, 2008 14:58:46 GMT -6
where I was outside and oklahoma were regular. If the girl carries the ball as she would in veer offense on outside drill? SHE GETS DRILLED! Women aint meant to be hit like that. Same with oklahoma. You cant put them up against the weak every time. Sooner or later, They are going to have to go up against the kid who is 6-3 300 and can out run her. Especially here in the state of florida. Wow.....
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 22, 2008 15:43:36 GMT -6
a running back, let alone a female running back has to participate in outside drill. Female wr still has to run routes across the middle. A heavy set women still has to do the boards. Like it or not. USE YOUR HEAD!
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 22, 2008 18:00:35 GMT -6
a running back, let alone a female running back has to participate in outside drill. Female wr still has to run routes across the middle. A heavy set women still has to do the boards. Like it or not. USE YOUR HEAD!Great advice. First mistake was to let those darned females get educated in the first place, right liberalhater. Then they had to go and get the right to vote..... If they want to come out and do the work, then why not. Saying that you will just line them up to get smashed... You big ole role model, you.
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