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Post by coachsky on Jul 18, 2008 14:14:50 GMT -6
We are going through an issue with a kid attempting to transfer to a rival school. The issue we are struggling with is how hard to fight it? - Our state rules says kids can't transfer for athletic reasons. Ever.
- If a family moves from one district to another, they approve the transfer, unless there is hard evidence of the kids being recruited or moving specifically for athletic reasons. Really hard to prove.
- If a kid changes schools, but doesn't move, he has to sit a year, unless he gets a hardship waiver. This is supposed to be hard to get, seems like they hardly ever deny hardship.
We are still in the early investigation phase, we don't think the kid has moved yet, but is about to attend team camp with this new team, he attended our team camp two weeks ago. This kids parents are nuts. He moved from another district two years ago, because their parents didn't like the football program. He's disgruntled this year because we aren't letting him two platoon ( he's a 6'3" 270lb lineman that doesn't stay in great shape, although he's not a bad athlete) and his mom wants him to start both ways. The kid never goes to the weight room, could care less about the team performance, only his own stats. There is a little relief that he will be going, even though he's good enough to be all conference and would definitely start for us. What pisses us off is playing for a rival and his parents are idiots. Part of it wants to investigate to make sure it's OK on the surface and let it go. We know it's a bogus transfer whether they relocate or not, so the other half wants to force him to sit out this year, leaving him only his Senior year. We are pretty sure the football coach hasn't recruited the kid, we are think the wrestling coach is influencing because he works with him during the summer season. What would you do? Just verify that all the I's are dotted and T's are crossed and let him go. or Fight the transfer tooth in nails in hopes he is forced to sit out. Frankly we don't want him back. |
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Post by phantom on Jul 18, 2008 14:41:35 GMT -6
Make sure it's all legal them let him go.
Don't take this as being a wisea$$ but I have to mention it- you didn't mind the transfer stuff when he moved into your district.
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 18, 2008 14:42:24 GMT -6
I think you should fight it -- or you increase the chance of it happening again. That being said- we had the same thing happen to us - kid moved in with his college aged sister but parents lied about it - the state association didn't do anything about it and i'm afraid his cousin will pull the same stunt.
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Post by coachsky on Jul 18, 2008 16:11:26 GMT -6
Make sure it's all legal them let him go. Don't take this as being a wisea$$ but I have to mention it- you didn't mind the transfer stuff when he moved into your district. No problem, He moved in when he was in 8th grade, after his brother finished at a neighboring school. We knew nothing of the kid until he showed up on our door as a freshman. Then we started hearing his parents rants and raves about "the other program" and how his older brother would have locked up a D1 scholarship at any other school. The situation isn't similar. I can tell you this - If the shoe is on the other foot, I'm calling the coach at the other school he's trying to transfer from and we are setting up meeting with the both schools AD and the district AD before we ever let this kid on property. Apparently the kid was a team meeting for their upcpming team camp next week. We had a kid move in from another school last year, he was their starting QB. We called his old coach, talked to other coaches in the league, talked to our AD, the district AD, we went above and beyond making sure the transfer was legit before we ever let the kid in our weight room. His dad had to provide prof residency, on and on. We grilled the kid to make sure there was no shenanigan going on. In our situation; we hear nothing form the kid; nothing from the parents; nothing from the other coaching staff. We get an off the record heads up from a friend that works over at that school. We have several kids saying he told them he's moving because his parents have assurances that he'll get to play defense. We kinda want to play hardball, but these situation typically turnout to be a "he said" kind of argument and the officials grant a waiver cause they are afraid of a lawsuit. |
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 18, 2008 16:45:44 GMT -6
fight it, make him sit out the year. set an example of him or it will keep happening.
We have same problem here and our admin always signs off on the kids and lets them transfer anyway and it kills out football team. we have lost some good players. Dont let them just get away with it because other kids will see it and kids talk. Then next year you will have 5 guys who wanna go somewhere else and think they can because this kid got away with it
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Post by wingtol on Jul 18, 2008 18:51:40 GMT -6
Let him go. If he doesn't want to be there let him go, why screw up a kids life. I see your point about other kids leaving but if you have a solid program and treat kids right and they enjoy playing the game and also playing for you then don't worry. If you are worried about a mass exodus then maybe there are other issues that need to be dealt with.
I guess the whole transfer thing is taken different in all areas, around here kids transfer and no one really bats and eye. We have gotten some transfers and also lost some. We figure if they don't wanna be here and play for us the let em go.
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Post by burn on Jul 18, 2008 19:56:55 GMT -6
I agree with wingtol if a kid doesn't want to be with us then we don't want him to be with us. Where he transfers I could care less. I will make the family follow the state or section rules for paper work and I will be honest when the state or section call to ask questions but I will also state I don't want the kid back and he is better off somewhere else.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 19, 2008 6:19:30 GMT -6
From what you said about the kid? Let him go. Let him be your rivals problem.
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Post by CVBears on Jul 19, 2008 12:36:25 GMT -6
Do your part to follow the state rules. Practice starting is right around the corner. You don't want a fight on your hands when your time could be more focused in other areas for the team. Put it in the state association's hands, that is supposed to be what they are there for.
Yes we are responsible for molding student-athletes and "letting him go" may be counterintuitive at first. However, maybe the real lesson is when he still doesn't get that D1 scholarship after the transfer (maybe for a variety of reasons).
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 19, 2008 13:30:13 GMT -6
Transfers? I don't know what you are talking about.  I detailed it in my post "devestated", but I'm beginning to get my breath back now after getting punched in the gut by my round of tranfers. You can't fight what "jerk" parents are doing. If you get in their way, you will look like the bad guy, even though what they are doing is unethical. The truth will come out eventually, but it takes a while. An old saying that I use a lot, "A lie takes the jet, the truth takes a bus...but it always rolls up eventually. OJW |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 19, 2008 14:15:20 GMT -6
For what it's worth, when I took a job in a big school in Colorado years ago, there were 3 players who transferred out. They (we) were 1-9 the year before, and these were "the only studs they had". All were very "me first" type of guys (1 RB/DB, 1 TE/LB 1 DL/OL). I had a chance to speak to each of them right after I took the job- I told them I hoped they would give us a chance to turn things around, but they needed to do what they felt was best. They all left. With the poison gone, we reached the semi-finals and finished 9-4 (we had a lot of previously undetected good players). They went to the top program in the city... 10-1. The one loss was the first round playoff game. One of the best 3 for 0 trades in history, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 19, 2008 14:38:14 GMT -6
Let him go and forget about it. Whether it turns out to be a good choice or not on his part is irrelevent. He's a kid and might be getting bad advice from his parents, or maybe its great advice, I don't know you, your school or your program....  ;D,,,regardless, IMO your wasting your time and will end up being the bad guy for it. |
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 20, 2008 13:48:41 GMT -6
You're not "Letting him go..." he's going on his own (or his parents) choice. However you need to do what your state association policies mandate - in Florida that means signing off that you feel he was/was not recruited and that he is/is not transferring for athletic reasons. If he is transferring for athletic reasons then indicate that (verbally or in writing) and leave it up to the state. At this point - he needs to go - you don't need a cancer on your team. However you do need to reinforce for everyone - players, parents, schools, etc - that YOU are going to play by the rules. You're not "ruining the kids life..." HE is the one making a poor decision. Follow through - because its the right thing to do.
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 20, 2008 14:24:12 GMT -6
Sounds like "good riddance' to me. Sounds like you are lucky to have ridded yourself of those parents.
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Post by biggroff on Jul 21, 2008 9:57:50 GMT -6
When i used to coach High School I had a similar episode at the school I was at and the same year a good friend of mine had a kid transfer out of his school.
My buddy fought it tooth and nail....The school lost the case, kid got to play his Junior and Senior year, and my buddy ended up looking not so good in the process (not his fault, just the way it came out in the press). School spent a decent amount of money on the situation also. In the end it was definitely not worth it.
We did not fight our transfer. It sucked but it is tough to prove motive for moving and hardship and all that stuff. Actually motivated our kids and we finished 7-2 with talent that should have gone 5-4 or 4-5. Good life lesson for a lot of the kids on our team
If parents are nutz enough to move from one district to another just so a kid can play football there is very little you can do. that is serious but very misplaced motivation on the family's part. That is the sad state of some parent's veiwpoint on athletics.
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Post by wiaa3 on Jul 21, 2008 10:25:38 GMT -6
Let him go! You don't want a kid playing for your team if he isn't on the same page as you are.
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Post by coachsky on Jul 21, 2008 12:10:54 GMT -6
It's a relief not having to deal with the kid and more importantly his parents.
If they have changed residences we are going to let him go and not fight it. If his family is not changing residence we are simply going to fill out the standards paper work and let the State Athletic Association decide the matter. It should work itself out.
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Post by coachsky on Jul 21, 2008 12:11:04 GMT -6
It's a relief not having to deal with the kid and more importantly his parents.
If they have changed residences we are going to let him go and not fight it. If his family is not changing residence we are simply going to fill out the standards paper work and let the State Athletic Association decide the matter. It should work itself out.
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Post by Coach Klemme on Jul 21, 2008 19:40:02 GMT -6
Let he and his parents go. Then when you play them throw in a few wrinkles in his direction and let his old teammates tee off on him. Let the scoreboard and shoulder pads do the talking and smile big when you shake his hand.
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Post by wonderingcoach on Jul 23, 2008 2:12:44 GMT -6
I understand what your saying, but isn't that sending the message of appeasement? Kids need to understand that life is what it is. If you are going to a school with no lights and a tool for a coach. Then you make the best out of it and learn from it. I hate that a kid can transfer. Yes some Coaches are #)()@s and I know, I have worked for 2 of the most ridiculous human beings ever, but the system will take care of them. If kids are allowed to just transfer to find the right "fit" that guy is going to stay for longer. I don't know if that made sense. In other words, I am not saying you should bend over back wards for a kid, but I don't think they really know what they want either. If a kid doesn't want to be there, it may just be because he is 16 and a dummy.
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;D,,,regardless, IMO your wasting your time and will end up being the bad guy for it.
