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Post by davecisar on Jul 18, 2008 7:41:34 GMT -6
A few tips on first week of practice. How we do it
For many youth football coaches, what they do in this first week has a lot to do with what they did as a kid when they played youth football or maybe how they practiced in High School 20 years ago. I know when I first started coaching I just used the same practice drills and approach I had used when I was a youth football player 25 years prior. We did all the things I had suffered through, monkey rolls, hills, crab drills, grass drills, firemens carrys, butt rolls, laps, pushup, sit-ups, squat thrusts, gassers, line drills, etc etc We were a team that was never going to be out-conditioned we were going to win that 4th quarter, blah blah blah
That all changed about 10 seasons ago after I had the pleasure of coaching with a former High School coach, Jay Smith that had coached at Canyon Springs High School in California. His teams had won two USA Today National Championships. This coach did things significantly different than most of us had been used to, no grass drills, no monkey rolls, no crab drills, no gassers, if it wasn’t football related he didn’t do it. This coach took a 2-8 team and turned them into a 10-0 team in one season in the most competitive division in the league I had teams in. While most of us were initially very skeptical of his methods, the results could not be argued with. He took the very same kids and had very different results than his predecessor using a totally different approach to football practice. We took notice and made changes.
We looked at our practices to determine exactly how each and every drill or activity was helping us reach our goals. In the end we gutted about 80% of what we were doing in favor of an entirely different practice methodology that focused on developing football skills and youth football teams, not pushup or monkey roll champions. In the first year of going to this proccess the aggregated winning percentage of the program went from the 30-40% area to 61%, in the following season it rose to 81% and our program won the “A” League Championships in all 3 age groups ( had never been done before or since), ages 8-10, 11-12 and 13-14. In addition, my “B” programs did extremely well also, with several winning division and League Championships as well. Our retention rates went through the roof too.
These are our goals for the first week of no-pads practice:
Evaluate players for positions and put them into the correct position on offense and defense that fits the players abilities and the teams needs best.
Teach the players how to interact properly with the coaching staff and other players. This is what many people refer to as learning how to be “coachable”.
Develop an enthusiasm within the kids for playing football and playing on our team.
Teach the fundamental building blocks of base blocking and tackling (yes without pads and without contact)
Teach the base numbering system and play calling system for the offense.
Teach proper stances and splits.
Teach the explosive first step and for the offensive linemen their explosive first 2 steps.
For backs (we determine who our backs are at the first practice), seating the ball and ball security. Learning proper body lean and accelerating through contact (dummy contact).
Teach the base defensive formation, the goals and base philosophy of the defense.
At the end of week 1 all players will be in their offensive and defensive positions, know what positions they are in and what it is called.
Some of the things we do to make sure we accomplish these goals:
Keep all movements in the 6-7 second range with maximum effort. Allow 30-50 seconds (depending on strenuousness of movement) for recovery. For things like fit and freeze reps that require just a couple of steps there is no reason for going at a pace slower than 1 rep every 12 seconds for linemen. For first 2 step drills, you should be able to do a team rep every 6-10 seconds. The keys to this methodology is a very fast practice pace, no wasted time or movements, small groups, lots of technique perfecting form instruction/drills and lots of fit and freeze reps. To teach all the above we don’t have the time to set aside to do traditional conditioning. Like many Colleges and High School teams we condition withing the fast paced confines of our regular practice or within the context of a fun evaluation or team building game.
The first year we went to this methodology we were a bit nervous, we had always been conditioning fanatics. We were always going to win through better conditioning, but our results were always mixed. Our first game using this new methodology was Labor Day weekend 8 seasons ago and it was about 95 degrees and about 80% humidity, it was a steam bath. We were really concerned about our kids being able to play 4 quarters of football in those kinds of conditions as we had not run a single gasser or lap in the 4 weeks leading up to this game. The end result was our kids won that first game in a blowout after leading by just 2 touchdowns at the half. As it turned out the team we beat ended up in 2nd place at seasons end behind my team. I might add we are a no-huddle team and the game goes that much faster for us and usually results in about 30% more offensive snaps in most games.
The thing that really impressed me about this game was what happened after it was over. Many of the boys on this team had older brothers playing in the following game, so many of our kids stuck around. What did these kids do after this game in 95 degree heat was over, sit under a shade tree and gulp gatorade? No, they went behind the game field in the warm up area and were playing full speed touch football including kickoffs and punts on a 60 yard field. These kids weren’t sitting under a tree exhausted from the game, they were going all-out for another 60 minutes, going almost non-stop in 90+ degree heat!
While our competition may be practicing 5 nights a week and conditioning their brains out, we are practicing just 3 nights a week and our kids are not only having fun, but they are learning the game of football.
The moral of this youth football story is to seriously consider everything you do in practice when coaching youth football. See if there is anything that should be cut out so you can concentrate on developing great fundamentals as well as developing a love and appreciation for the game in your players.
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Post by wilanderson on Jul 18, 2008 11:50:17 GMT -6
Good stuff, applicable at all ages Dave!
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Post by jazzo on Jul 20, 2008 21:55:10 GMT -6
Nice way to lay it out Dave. I'm going to forward this post to all the other coaches in my Association.
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 21, 2008 18:16:59 GMT -6
You focus on execution of indivudal aspects crucial to playing.
We don't do enough, IMO, because the passing numbers decreased as we changed to vertical passing. It showed in practice too. The completions weren;t there in practice so I knew they would not be there in games.
My preference is a lot of quick reps at high % but Cisar has microtasked it to the art of tackle form in a way that keeps players fresher and gets them more reps. This is crucial for smaller squads IMO.
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Post by signalzero on Jul 23, 2008 10:40:59 GMT -6
Dave,
What drills do you use to determine which players play which position? I assume the positions sort themselves out by the 3rd practice according to your schedule. is that correct?
Great post by the way and I agree with you. I'm going to get rid of most of the conditioning early on and I'm also instructing each kid to have a name labeled jug of water (1/2 gallon) with them for each practice. I want to get rid of water breaks and have them bring their bottles to each new drill or station. That alone will add a minimum of 60 + minutes per week of practice depending on how many practices we have.
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 28, 2008 9:41:39 GMT -6
First day is today. Four of five OL are returing. Two step drill time.  Got 32.oz gatorades a dollar each at the store in the freezer for the hogs to cool down with, and the cooler's ready also. The fit tackle drill is something I want these guys to use now. The same goes for the blocking fit? My style is what the HS uses, zone technique, bob, turn and hitch on the back(half step is the same, correct?). Plan on a pass drill for the other guys(2 routes and one combo on day one). If the turnout is good and we have a lot of players back, we'll probably get a 2min drill in at the end as well, in sevens. |
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 28, 2008 9:46:07 GMT -6
We did numbering last year, even right, odd left.
That should be easy.
Probably keep the same base defense and offense as well. I want us to get the goal line defense a bit different, and add trips instead of 2x2 for when we go from the boundary for our spread.
First day, base D, base O, third and three.
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Post by davecisar on Jul 28, 2008 11:07:15 GMT -6
Dave, What drills do you use to determine which players play which position? I assume the positions sort themselves out by the 3rd practice according to your schedule. is that correct? Great post by the way and I agree with you. I'm going to get rid of most of the conditioning early on and I'm also instructing each kid to have a name labeled jug of water (1/2 gallon) with them for each practice. I want to get rid of water breaks and have them bring their bottles to each new drill or station. That alone will add a minimum of 60 + minutes per week of practice depending on how many practices we have. We pretty much have positions figured out after the first practice. First you have to have very detailed requirements for each position, what you are lokinf for as to: body control, athleticism, quickness, aggressiveness, lower body power, smarts/coachability, heart. Then have games/evals that test for each: Dummy Relay races Towel Game Deer Hunter RabBit Chases Sumo |
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 29, 2008 1:45:20 GMT -6
Our projected starting HB and QB moved, we had eight return, six will be here to play. New rules eliminated the best player(MS had kids playing both on other teams last year, almost got the conf. eligibility yanked).
Fortunately we had four OL in them returning. Gave our starting OT the chance to play QB since we were short handed, think we let the Djinni out of the bottle, how can I get him back to OT?
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 29, 2008 2:01:46 GMT -6
First day, they ran the three main passing tree routes. Loved it, a lot of tempo going. My part of the practice was all throwing, four footballs flying around.
Second half of practice they got route concepts. We smashed until everyone was smashed out. The other coaches see it now, the concept had the right route thrown every time, sometimes both came open. He loved the hitch, it was automatic, even when the corner sat the kids were squaring up and moving the chains. We need a bit more work on the corner and the spacing but they are seeing the concept.
One of our coaches, who lives on east side of town and was a key shuttle to a third of the team, moved. His son(expected RB and stepson(expected QB) left to the next town. That town is a conference rival who just added a feature back, a true 30-40 carry Hoss whose birth father holds the local HS rushing record.
It's going to be fun playing against him in big games now. Their team is on one of the local stations as well so I can catch a lot of his games as the season goes. We have like seven teams on area stations on Friday nights. My ears pop and sizzle like bacon on those evenings as we hear of players we coached for or against on Fridays, it's like every game is our game.
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Post by M4 on Jun 2, 2010 20:47:30 GMT -6
Coach Cisar
Can you explain these drills, how they work and what you are looking for from each?
Dummy Relay races
Towel Game
Deer Hunter
RabBit Chases
Sumo
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Post by davecisar on Jun 3, 2010 4:29:54 GMT -6
Dummy Relays
4 teams of 6
Cone 12 yards away- grab tall dummy in front of you, held next to your body the long way. Run around the cone and back. those with core strength and body control can do it, those who don't have core strength will list.
Deer Hunter- 24 kids- circle or square about 25 yards. 4 hunters in the middle with yellow vests on, the rest of the kids scattered wherever they want in the square or circle- set up cones for boundaries. On go, the hunters try and tag the deer, you are tagged you are out. Measures explosiveness, quickness, core strenght and body control. The last few standing- you will see some AWESOME football moves. Also conditions.
Sumo- two circles- 12 players each- 2 kids in middle hands on each others chest. Just push each ohter out of the circle. Measures strength, natural leverage, aggressiveness, physicality and heart. Winners go to winners circle, losers to loser circle to help with better matchups.
Towel game- Towel rolled up the long way, taped at end and middle. Player holding end, another on other end, another in middle. 3 cones 4 yards from each player. Teams of 8, each behind the cone his teammate is trying to touch. Goal is to have towel in hand AND touch your cone. Measures heart and some base strength. Team game, teams whose teammate loses have to do 5 pushups.
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Post by jmtexas on Jun 3, 2010 9:20:42 GMT -6
Thanks Dave
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Post by adolphrollingover on Jun 3, 2010 9:39:12 GMT -6
Dave, I wanted to let you know I posted your first week practice goals on our team's website. (proper credit of course.)
I have your practice methodology DVD but have not yet viewed. I was able to increase our practice pace by out 20% last year over previous Coaches. However, it was still too slow and I want to show the practice DVD to my coaches so they know what I expect.
If we can increase another 30% this year we will be close. On air I want perfect play every 10 seconds. (topped out at 15-17 last year)drills 1 rep every 8 seconds. (last year I did not monitor the speed of Indy's and that was a mistake. I need to get my oline drill going and then make sure the others are moving as fast.
Todd
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Post by mhcoach on Jun 3, 2010 11:06:20 GMT -6
DC
The days of grass drills, monkey rolls, pulling grass & some of the other ridiculous things we would do are long gone. I know you realize, by doing football relate drills, many reps, & short duration you are actually conditioning your team into football shape. We have lived & died by only doing football drills for years now.
You make the most impact by teaching blocking & tackling first. Every level should be so concerned with the first & second steps. Now I see the reason for your success.
The other major issue you raise is fitting players into the proper position. This creates the most problems for many youth teams. Having seen a large majority of our players play before, I try not to pigeon hole any player into a spot. We consider our first week to be evaluation week. Usually we let the player "tryout" for any position they want during that first week. We then sit down at the end of the week and evaluate each player, the team, it's needs on both sides of the ball, & where each player best fits. I have found this will work for about 90% of our players. It may take another week or two to fit the rest. We want our players to come through the first week learning our BASICs just as you do, but we also want each coach to learn each player. This helps us evaluate them better.
Great Post! Keep the good stuff coming.
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Post by CatsCoach on Jun 3, 2010 11:08:47 GMT -6
Great post!
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Post by coachbrek on Jun 3, 2010 11:48:08 GMT -6
"Usually we let the player "tryout" for any position they want during that first week."
We used to do the same thing, what a waste of time!
We would run all the kids through every station, nobody in youth football wants or dreams of being a lineman. At recess they don't work on their stances, they throw and catch the ball.
So what happens is these kids think that they are going to be a running back, QB or WR. Then they get moved to the line after week one and they are crushed.
These kids have been doing hand off drills and throwing mechanics while they should have been working on their stance and first steps. Now they are a week behind and are teary eyed because they have to go with mean old coach brek. and become a lineman.
Last year I finally convinced the other coaches not to run all the players through all the stations.
We did our 25 yard dash times first, which weeds out a bunch of kids, we take all kids over 120lbs and keep them with the line, now the rest we can evaluate at receiver, rb, and qb.
The kids who will be lineman are lineman from day one it makes my job as the o-line coach much easier than getting a dozen kids a week later who did not cut it at a skilled position, then try and make disgruntled players into butt kickers.
It took me many years to get the coaches away from doing two laps, push-ups, sit ups, burpies, updowns, and all the animal drills, monkey rolls, bull in the ring, bear crawls, duck walk.
You know, all the sick sadistic drills we had to do in the 70's and 80's when we played.
Now it's a 10min dynamic warm up then it's all football the whole practice.
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Post by mhcoach on Jun 3, 2010 13:39:12 GMT -6
Coach Brek
Perhaps it is Charlotte, perhaps it is the Offense we run, or perhaps it is our teams reputation. We usually don't get too many "wannabees", often the position I see is, everyone wants to be a LBer. Otherwise I tend to agree with you. In HS football we get often get 120-140 players out on the first day for the Freshmen or JV teams & we would waste no time with "wannabees". In youth football having 30 or less is the norm(again for us). The other thing maybe the age (14u) the players have an legitimate idea where they will play. It's true most boys today want to be a WR, until they watch our WR's work out. Unless they can run & block we rarely get boys that far out of position.
In our Offense the "GLORY" position is guard, we usually have everyone wanting to play guard. We have somehow convinced everyone this is the spot to play. I think competition is a good thing & we always try to get our kids to compete.
Like I said in my earlier post this usually accounts for about 90%, that usually leaves 2-3 boys we have to find a fit for. Last season we had 1 boy in particular that we were having trouble fitting. He had been working out at FS & WR, he definitely had a FS body. After about 3 weeks he was moved to DE. He wound up being our Swing End(first end into the game) & played alot. He did a great job for us, I"m sure he would have been lost in our secondary.
Joe
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Post by coachdoug on Jun 3, 2010 14:06:35 GMT -6
We also let the kids try out for whatever position they want, but I tell them in advance what the physical requirements are for each position. For instance, I tell that I expect our RB's to be amongst the fastest players on the team - if you're not at least in the top half of the team speed-wise, you're wasting your time even trying out for RB. Now, every once in awhile we'll get a kid that is pretty slow that wants to try anyway, so we let him, but let him know that he'll be on a short rope - if he isn't pretty close to perfect on everything, his tryout will be over. In most cases those kids only last about 15-30 minutes before we send them back to the line. There can be exceptions, though, #30 on our team last year (if you look at my YouTube videos) was right around the middle of the pack speed wise and wasn't an imposing physical figure, but we looked at him at RB anyway. He turned out to be very coachable, worked hard, didn't make many mistakes, and was a productive back for us.
We certainly don't waste a week looking at every kid everywhere - most position tryouts last 1-3 days, and the kids appreciate at least being given the opportunity to try a position they want. A big part of it is setting expectations - I let the kids know how many players I plan to keep at each position, and what the evaluation criteria are. The kids aren't stupid - if they know that I'm only going to have about 8 receivers and they see 10+ other kids that are faster with better hands and are doing better in the blocking drills, they know they won't stay there and in many cases will pull themselves out on their own. That happens because I let them know that every minute they spend out of position is hurting their chances to play at their ultimate position, so if you know you aren't going to latch on with one group, you're far better off going to the line now.
Another thing, as Joe mentioned, is that we make it a point to glorify the line. The line is special place to play on our team - they always get water first, the backs carry their bags, etc. - and we always high five and pump up the line after scores more so than the backs & receivers. We treat the linemen like stars and constantly emphasize the importance of the line to our success. We want them to think of themselves as an elite unit.
All in all, we don't generally have a lot of kids that really want to try a position that they are clearly unfit for.
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Post by daveinsarasota on Jun 3, 2010 15:02:36 GMT -6
I essentially try out all of my players in off season camps prior to first practice. I already know my 1st and second string skill players. I leave defense to my DC, although my requirement is to only pick from the cream of the crop. No suckers on D....
We conduct practice the first week, as we do all year...
specialty - 5 min
stretch - 5 min
agilities - 5 min
offensive indie - 15 min
punt - 5 min
defensive indie - 15 indie
punt return - 5 min
inside drill/team drill - 10 min
outside drill/skelly/team drill - 10 min
team offense - 25 min
team defense - 15 min
No gassers...no updowns. Just work, work, work on fundamentals, technique, and reps. Kickoff and Kick return are handlled on alternate days...
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Post by bobgoodman on Jun 3, 2010 17:32:08 GMT -6
"Usually we let the player "tryout" for any position they want during that first week."We used to do the same thing, what a waste of time! We would run all the kids through every station, nobody in youth football wants or dreams of being a lineman. At recess they don't work on their stances, they throw and catch the ball. So what happens is these kids think that they are going to be a running back, QB or WR. Then they get moved to the line after week one and they are crushed. These kids have been doing hand off drills and throwing mechanics while they should have been working on their stance and first steps. Now they are a week behind and are teary eyed because they have to go with mean old coach brek. and become a lineman. Last year I finally convinced the other coaches not to run all the players through all the stations. We did our 25 yard dash times first, which weeds out a bunch of kids, we take all kids over 120lbs and keep them with the line, now the rest we can evaluate at receiver, rb, and qb. The kids who will be lineman are lineman from day one it makes my job as the o-line coach much easier than getting a dozen kids a week later who did not cut it at a skilled position, then try and make disgruntled players into butt kickers. Are you that good at quickly telling which kids to put at which positions? In my last coaching outing I really had to practice them all at all skills because we didn't have enough players in practice to field a team, but even if I had, I'd've taken pains to get the players wider experience, even at some sacrifice of overall team prep. Everybody knew a certain player was by far the best passer, but I wanted them to think nobody had a position locked up. They just thought I was nuts. Sadistic? Kids find a lot of those exercises fun! I was surprised to learn here that some of the things we were doing for fun are done by others as punishment. I will admit that many of them aren't the most efficient use of teaching time. What are burpies? |
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Post by davecisar on Jun 4, 2010 3:51:46 GMT -6
Guys,
Remember to have VERY DETAILED position descriptions for every spot on your team
Write down the position requirements for each position and what that player needs from a speed, stength, body control, size and mental standpoint.
Make sure all your coaches are on-board with this prior to the first practice.
ALl your evals should map into discovering the data you need to make your decisions
We pretty much have our positions slotted after day1, day 2 if we have a lot of new kids or large numbers
The sooner you accurately place the kids in the correct positions, the sooner you will be ready for that first game. All of us have to do the chess piece game to max out the potential of the aggregate group, which means some times kids will play in spots that dont fit them like a glove, BUT maxes out your team potential. YOu have to work your depth chart to come up with the best mix. THe earlier you can accurately do this, the better off you are. We have been extremely accurate using these games/eval drills to do this.
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Post by coachbrek on Jun 4, 2010 7:09:03 GMT -6
"Are you that good at quickly telling which kids to put at which positions?"
It's not that difficult, we time our 25 yard dash, on day one, it's pretty easy to look at a kids running form and speed on paper and know he will cut it at running back.
We have a weight limit in our league of 120lbs for all skilled positions, all kids who weigh over 120lbs do not need to go through any station but the line.
I can plainly see a taller athletic kid with hands will fit into a receiver or TE position,
The qb situation can be tough some years, I could care less if the kid has a cannon if he does not have the ability and confidence to lead the team.
All the little guys 60-80 pounds with mid range speed get moved to the d-back/flanker/ stations.
Then we fill in depth charts
we need at least one QB for each team
A tailback and a fullback for each team
A wing and a flanker or split end for each team
At least one TE for each team
We get the top candidates to fill in the depth cart then we rate them for the draft at the end of the week.
Last year we had the draft after three days because we had a good handle on where the kids fit into a position.
"I will admit that many of them aren't the most efficient use of teaching time."
Bingo!
"What are burpies?"
I'm not sure what they are called around other parts of the country,
It must have been what one of my old coaches called them during Military training.
It's like an up-down but your belly does not touch the ground and you kick both feet back to push up form do a push-up then spring back to your feet.
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2010 7:12:48 GMT -6
"Burpees" also called Squat-Thrusts.
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Post by daveinsarasota on Jun 4, 2010 7:41:22 GMT -6
In terms of determining positions:
This is huge... Never get excited about a kid the first week, just because he looks like a stud in all of the drills without pads. Be cautiosusly optimistic.
Too many times a guy shows up, even in the off season evals...runs faster than anybody, catches better, throws like no one on the team, even looks good working the bags...only to find out that once the pads are on, he is a chicken heart. Can't hit, won't hit...
Let the athlete in, just don't give him the keys to the car until you know he can hit.
I used to get burned by this when I was a young coach. Sometimes even the best athletes will do everything they can to avoid contact...
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Post by coachbrek on Jun 4, 2010 9:34:42 GMT -6
"Too many times a guy shows up, even in the off season evals...runs faster than anybody, catches better, throws like no one on the team, even looks good working the bags...only to find out that once the pads are on, he is a chicken heart. Can't hit, won't hit... "
Excellent point!
In the last 10 years we had one kid who looked like Tarzan and played like Jane. It was unreal what a wuss that kid was when it came to contact. To this day he probably was the best athlete we ever had, but cried a gallon of tears every time he got hit.
We also went to helmets and shoulder pads from day one a few years back.
This has also been a time saver for us, one reason is to get them acclimated to wearing helmets and getting over the three day helmet headache.
The other reason is kids look great throwing, catching, getting into stances and running without pads.
We had to start over once the kids got their pads after the first three days.
So going without pads is also futile and a waste of time the first week of practice in my opinion.
We do not go full pad contact until day four.
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Post by bruincoach on Jun 4, 2010 10:24:18 GMT -6
Great info! I coached Oline on a youth team for 6 years and always felt that we wasted too much time in practice and that we were not efficient enough. The rest of the coaches on the staff, escpecially the HC, did not agree. After reading this great post by Dave I now know that I was right and that there is a better way to run practice.
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Post by daveinsarasota on Jun 4, 2010 11:05:56 GMT -6
It would be a dream come true to have the first week in (at least) helmet and shoulder pads...but with no contact. We do, however, go with helmet from day one...at least you can weed out the helmet wimps at that point.
It would be nice to have the shoulder pads, along with the helmet, to give you an extra week with stance, handoffs, ball exchange, kicking, passing, receiving...tackling the dummy...blocking the dummy....you know...all of the FOOTBALL fundamentals.
Just like Brek said...the seconde week, with all pads...you essentially have to start over. I HATE that!
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Post by coachbrek on Jun 4, 2010 11:46:08 GMT -6
I'm glad to hear it's not just me.
We used to work with the kids without pads, they would come a long way and start looking sharp after 3 days, you really start feeling good about how the kids progressing. Then they come on the first day of pads and it's like they are fish out of water!
QB's are side arming
Nobody can get in a stance
we can't catch
we can't run
we cant hardly run a play.
Then we get frustration, from both players and coaches.
We are not doing the kids any favors by going no pads the first week.
In my opinion.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 4, 2010 17:40:52 GMT -6
We dont care much about straight line speed
It matters for little in real football games
I look for explosiveness and body control- the kids that do that the best in 5-10 yard increments are the kids that make a difference
You can absolutley test for agressivness and heart without pads, been doing it that way for last 14 seasons- RARELY wrong-
We ease kids into contact and perfect each fundmanental skill step by step in progressions- rarely, less than 1% of the time do we get thet good looking athlete that ends up not cutting it- varying from how weve evalued him without pads
I dont have the time to wait until week 2-3 for that decision to be made and I refuse to practice more than 3 times a week- lots in our league are going 5 days a week then- not needed IMO
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