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Post by coachnichols on Jul 2, 2008 20:07:04 GMT -6
Got some questions for you experts on the single wing.
I looked at some single wing playbooks today (pop warner, McClesky and Shult, Stateline Comets, Princeton) and like many coaches have said, it's very similar to today's gun spread offenses. (I was surprised really at how similar what I looked at is to what Florida does. I love it!)
Here are my questions for you who know it well.
What are the main differences between a traditional, old school single wing offense and today's spread offenses?
Most of the playbooks I've looked at don't have a back directly behind the Center, but rather two backs on each side of the Center in some way. Does the traditional, old school single wing O have two running backs that are both expected to block and run the ball? Did they both throw it or was one more of a QB?
Does anyone who's running this offense have Center's who have trouble with the direct snap? Or is this not a direct snap but more of a regular snap and the backs are in charge of catching it?
Was the Blocking Back (sniffer guy) need to be more of a back or was he just more of a blocker (i.e. another linemen) who carried the ball every once in a while?
I'm sure I'll have more questions, but like I said, I started reading and checking out some of these playbooks and got excited. I really like the idea of not lining up the QB directly behind the Center. Thanks for all your help!!!
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Post by davecisar on Jul 2, 2008 20:20:31 GMT -6
Both players in Single Wing terms, the tailback and fullback carry the ball including between the tackles, block for each other, carry out great fakes and in offenses like Dr John Ward runs, both throw. Teams like Menominee Michigan just snap it back between the backs and let them figure it out, others precision snap and even lead the player getting the ball. The blocking back can be a glorified guard or a big play threat on a direct snap trap or wedge run behind full spinning fullback action or tailback 1/2 spin or "T" series action or even jet action. We run it at the youth level and even our age 8-10 kids dont have any problems with the snap, its how you rep it, teach it and prioritize, like anything else. My BB is usually my 2nd leading rusher and almost always my leading YPC guy, close with the WB. The BB has to have some punch. Most have the TB ( the one on the left) throw the majority of the passes. Here is one of my youth teams running some of the base stuff: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-699579089183056593&q=youth+football&ei=SDdsSNTlPJjQ4gLN16GYDw&hl=en |
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Post by superpower on Jul 2, 2008 23:03:31 GMT -6
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 3, 2008 11:50:01 GMT -6
As Superpower pointed out, "Single Wing" is a term that's kind of like "spread" or "full house". There are so many varieties of "Single Wing" offenses...it is a HUGE list and impossible to narrow down to a type.
We are more of a ND box/ Crisler style and while our blocking back has been a traditional bruiser (6'2 240# ish) in the past, we have a 5'11 180# kid there now... very athletic, good receiver- so we do a lot more with him there. Very likely he will be our 2nd leading rusher at blocking back.
Does anyone who's running this offense have Center's who have trouble with the direct snap? Or is this not a direct snap but more of a regular snap and the backs are in charge of catching it?
We have not really had a problem with the snap. Our backs are so close that if the C hits a general area, we are OK... the toughest thing for inexperienced Centers is to take a little off the snap... some want to be deep snappers at first.
Most have the TB ( the one on the left) throw the majority of the passes.
We've done that in the past, now we have our passer at FB (back to the strong... we call him QB though). He's a good blocker and a lefty, so it gives us a good sprint out package to the weak side.
Crisler's SW............... ND Box
O.OXOOOO................OOOXOOO
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Funny story at camp last week: we are doing a "King Of The Hill" after scrimmages (all 10 teams at camp around the field- Team A on offense vs. Team B... team A gains 4 yds., they stay and a new D comes in, Team B stops them, Team A leaves and a new O comes in...etc... win 3 in a row, you are "King Of The Hill" for that session) Anyway, we were on O, and our first two plays went for good gains, the third play, rather than shuttle in a player, I just yelled out "12", as we use the wristbands. The coach of the opposing defense (near me) yells "watch the quarterback" (though play 12 was just on a list... had nothing to do with the QB). A kid on his team looked at him and said "which one is the quarterback?". I thought it was funny anyway...
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Post by tiger46 on Jul 3, 2008 13:28:07 GMT -6
Senator,
Do you post on the delphi SW site? I am a youth SW coach. But, there are HS coaches that post on that site, also.
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Post by superpower on Jul 4, 2008 4:28:05 GMT -6
Funny story at camp last week: we are doing a "King Of The Hill" after scrimmages (all 10 teams at camp around the field- Team A on offense vs. Team B... team A gains 4 yds., they stay and a new D comes in, Team B stops them, Team A leaves and a new O comes in...etc... win 3 in a row, you are "King Of The Hill" for that session) Anyway, we were on O, and our first two plays went for good gains, the third play, rather than shuttle in a player, I just yelled out "12", as we use the wristbands. The coach of the opposing defense (near me) yells "watch the quarterback" (though play 12 was just on a list... had nothing to do with the QB). A kid on his team looked at him and said "which one is the quarterback?". I thought it was funny anyway... Good stuff, Coach. Here is our SW look: ......................E.T.G.C.G.T.E.............................................................. ...........................................B........................................................... ...............................QB..........C........................................................ ................................................A..................................................... |
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Post by dragon on Jul 6, 2008 0:12:22 GMT -6
Senatorblutarsky,
I'd love to hear more about what series you are running out of your UB and Notre Dame Box formations. Are they the basic straight and spin series, or do you do more?
Thanks
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Post by coachorr on Jul 6, 2008 9:05:22 GMT -6
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Post by davecisar on Jul 6, 2008 12:25:09 GMT -6
Balanced Line SW, Menominee Michigan HS
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 6, 2008 19:10:06 GMT -6
double post... computer problems... or I am dumb.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 6, 2008 19:11:59 GMT -6
Senatorblutarsky,
I'd love to hear more about what series you are running out of your UB and Notre Dame Box formations. Are they the basic straight and spin series, or do you do more?
ThanksDragon, We run mostly power (Isos, traps and wedge). We run a small 1/2 spin series, some cross-buck. We have done some full spin series (quite a bit in 06), but haven't put it in yet this year and might not (we are very limited in personnel this year- we are a very small school- most players will need to know several positions, so we won't rely on the full spin as much... if at all). Those are the basics... feel free to contact me via PM if you want more info. I'm not on here as much these days...but I check every so often. Superpower- Good stuff there. Ever look at the Tuss McLaughry Triple Wing (at Direct Snap)? For me, I like to have at least one guy inside the TE (or all  ), but I can see that puts a lot of pressure on the contain and alley defenders. |
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Post by superpower on Jul 6, 2008 20:07:03 GMT -6
Senator, I have not looked at the Triple Wing but might have to. We had lots of success with our Triple C formation last year.
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), but I can see that puts a lot of pressure on the contain and alley defenders.