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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 27, 2008 12:00:12 GMT -6
msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8288178?MSNHPHMAYes, it is soccer, HOWEVER, i find it interesting that a national organization has this much power. Can we gain anything from considering this type of strategy in football? Would things be better if our Under 8 kids didn't keep track of wins and losses? but rather worked kids at all sorts of positions and focused on blocking/tackling rather than "get it to Johnny outside"
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Post by coachjoe3 on Jun 27, 2008 23:49:34 GMT -6
Things would not be better in my opinion.
I think kids need a goal for all of that position skill learning and blocking and tackling. I coach youth football, and last year was the first year that I've coached that league admin. stopped keeping track of records and scores during the games.
But the kids kept track . . . every win, every loss, every TD.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 28, 2008 0:46:44 GMT -6
coachjoe
Did the teams in this league do anything different since no records or scores were kept? If not, then I agree with you...
I think this gives the opportunity for EVERYONE to get to try and do some things, and gives the coaches a chance to really simply work on the SKILLS involved in football, rather than the gamesmanship aspects.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jun 28, 2008 6:15:16 GMT -6
1 reason some kids choose pop warner over frosh or jr high ball is the hardware.
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Post by tog on Jun 28, 2008 8:03:02 GMT -6
weenafacation of the world
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Post by wingt74 on Jun 28, 2008 8:10:09 GMT -6
unbelieveable
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 28, 2008 9:02:34 GMT -6
tog and liberalhater--
I think you both have it all wrong here.
This has nothing to do with people being upset about scores and winning on the surface. This has to with the foresight and vision of the heads of the soccer community there. This is about totally integrating all of their soccer programs into their national team.
I have to ask those who are making this a "macho" thing : "How many 8 and under kids do you deal with on a daily basis--and how many U-8 sport contests have you attended?"
"Bunch ball" soccer (the most successful style played at those levels) wins games. It has nothing to do with how actual soccer is played, except that the hands are not used.
I liken it to 7- on- 7. If you want to "win" 7-on-7, you play 2man, and 5 wide. How many of you guys do that? How many enter 7-on-7 contests and play the best strategy to WIN those contests, compared to how many that go and play and "run their stuff, to work on timing, and routes, and coverages--the skills they will use in September?"
That is all this is...the heads of soccer in the country wanting the youngest kids to learn the skills they will use in the future.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 28, 2008 10:23:25 GMT -6
liberal---you skipped over the the 10-12 years or so before they turn 18 that they have to "learn how to fail and how to succeed"
Equating it to getting into college is erroneous. This is not about rewarding people for trying hard. This is about recognizing that at the youth level, the skill sets necessary for success at older ages do not bring success at the younger ages, and thus are sacrificed to "win" by adults.
True story--
When I was a teen, I umpired a "scrimmage" 9 year old game (unofficial) during two teams practices to settle a bet. Team A's coach, a smart youth coach with a good perspective was arguing about league rules and how skill development was being sacrificed because of the desire of the parents/coaches for their KIDS to win. He made a bet (Losing coach treats both teams to McDonald's after, with $100 side bet) with Team B, the team that was in first place.
Team A won 4-2, WITHOUT SWINGING A BAT. He instructed all of his kids to simply take pitches, and then steal bases. When not batting, he intentionally walked all the players who could hit when their was an RBI opportunity, and struck out the weaker players to end innings.
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Post by tedseay on Jun 28, 2008 10:47:36 GMT -6
Can we gain anything from considering this type of strategy in football? Would things be better if our Under 8 kids didn't keep track of wins and losses? but rather worked kids at all sorts of positions and focused on blocking/tackling rather than "get it to Johnny outside" Sure, but don't call what you're doing "football"; call it "football skills training"...without the games. And don't kid yourself that every player on the field won't keep track of which team scored more points, and don't think there won't be an informal "league table" kept by players and parents -- just as there will be in UK youth soccer. Do you honestly think kids put on football gear just for the joy of enriching their skills in practice? They play to win, and to challenge themselves against their personal best. People who don't get that don't get the point of sports. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 28, 2008 11:04:58 GMT -6
ted--- as I showed above with my baseball anecdote, the discrepancies in skill abilities between youth (remember this is Under 8) and older players is such that developing skills is often not the best method of "winning" youth play.
Look at John Reed..and his "WR SPRINT" method of incorporating the weaker players. "Bear Crawlers"...another example of successful "winning youth" strategies that don't really match up to football skill. 12 inch splits or less...
I agree, people will keep track...but when the stated goal is NOT to win, I think it really could allow coaches to concentrate on skills without worrying as much about reprise.
Again, I liken it to the growing popularity of 7-on-7 here in the U.S. Philosophically, if you aren't going 5 wide, and playing 2man, then you ARE NOT TRYING TO WIN. You might be trying your best, but you aren't trying "to win" (and logically so, if the goal is to be winning in the first few weeks of December)
I just thought it was interesting that the National Soccer body in England publicly pronounced "We are not developing elite soccer talent because we are worried about winning 7 year old championships"
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