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Post by buck42 on Jun 26, 2008 7:58:49 GMT -6
I was called and offered the head coaching position on Tuesday morning. I accepted and I was able to meet the coaches and players on Tuesday afternoon.
Wednesday, at about 9.45 am I told my old team that I was leaving to become the next head coach at XYZ...At 10.30 am I got a call from the AD at XYZ telling me there is NO TEACHING POSITION for ME. I was not trying to get 2-3 coaches to come with me...just a spot for me.
I told the AD that I could not and would not take the position if could not be in the school. Around 6.00 pm I was on the field with my new team and the principal left me a voicemail about "lots of bad information that I have recieved"....ie, I was told that I would have a teaching position, but that is not the case.
I put in a call to her this morning and I have not heard back...
Has anyone heard of this before?
My gut is telling me to run away as far as these old fullback legs can get me...
I want to be a head coach as bad as anyone...I am ready, but I am not gonna take a job just to get a job.
Am I missing something here, or is my gut telling me right?
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Post by highball007 on Jun 26, 2008 8:50:52 GMT -6
Being a head coach is an important step in the coaching career, but the teaching job is 98% of your income I would presume, at least it would be here in Oregon. Plus in my opinion it is very important for the HC to be an on campus worker.
At this point I would tell them that if they want you as the HC they will find a teaching position, and if they don't then you were not that important to them and also the Football program is not high on their priority list. (100+) students is a big responsibility and you need to feel comfortable with the admin.
Just my 2 cents!!!
Good Luck
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dcoach84
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Post by dcoach84 on Jun 26, 2008 9:00:43 GMT -6
If no teaching position, run very fast!
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Post by justwingit on Jun 26, 2008 9:09:55 GMT -6
obviously easy for me to say - but a I wouldn't have announced it until a I had signed a contract. I hope you haven't resigned from your old job yet - same reasoning...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 26, 2008 9:16:16 GMT -6
Now, you don't expressly say it, but I am assuming you are NOT A head coach right now correct? If this is the case, as long as you haven't resigned your teaching spot yet at that school, I think everything should be ok. There are a few (but not many, thankfully) who might give you a tough time on this, but most coaches/admins understand someone wanting to expand their career.
NOW, if you are currently a head coach, and you were leaving for another head coaching position....I wouldnt want to be in your shoes.
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Post by bhb on Jun 26, 2008 11:27:33 GMT -6
just out of curiosity, wasn't this something that was discussed during the interview process? Or somewhere between when you first spoke to them about the position and actually started practicing with them?
No, honestly, I've never heard of this- this seems weird, to say the least.. Good luck- hopefully it will all work out in the end- it always does, you'll be fine..
Keep us posted..
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Post by dubber on Jun 26, 2008 11:32:08 GMT -6
Verbal promises during job interviews are legally binding. If they said: "We have a teaching job for you", and don't deliver, you have a right to seek litigation.
Now, if you ASSUMED there was a job, and no guarantees were made by the hiring committee........different story
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 26, 2008 11:39:08 GMT -6
buck - I hope this works out for you but these items should have been covered during the interview and as justwingit said, don't resign from your current job until you have a signed contract in hand. It is true that "verbal" contracts can be legally binding, IF you have witnesses who will state that the verbiage was actually spoken. Hopefully this won't turn out to be a tough lesson learned.
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Post by buck42 on Jun 26, 2008 15:01:50 GMT -6
You guys have validated my thoughts...
This was NOT mentioned during the interview...it was assumed by me and the AD until yesterday morning.
The AP is telling the principal that it WAS mentioned during the interview, the AD is telling her that it WAS NOT mentioned...
I talked to the AD this afternoon and he is PISSED...he said this is the first time in 28 years he has ever heard of this crap...He asked me to give him until Friday at 5 pm...I said certainly...as a professional I thought that was only appropriate. He said at that point then "you need to look out for yourself"
I have NOT resigned my orginal position and I talked to my old/current principal today and he told me that I was cool stay (actually one of the better conversations we have had). He gave me that admin point of view and basically reconfirmed what I knew...that if they wanted to create a position they would...apparently she does not and that shows what kind of support she would have for the program in the future...
I am 98% gonna stay at my old school as the DC, just wanna hear from the new principal...she is going to have to wow me in order for me to take the job though. I had to wow them to get the job, now they are going to have to wow me in order to get me...
Thanks again for the replies...
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Post by dubber on Jun 26, 2008 16:11:10 GMT -6
The AP is telling the principal that it WAS mentioned during the interview, the AD is telling her that it WAS NOT mentioned... This is the subtle whisper that turns into a raving howl: |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jun 26, 2008 16:28:10 GMT -6
I would suggest opening lines of communication. miscommunication runs rampant in our country especially where superintendents, principals and school boards are involved. Go straight to the super and find out what the districts needs are. cut out the unreliable middle man.
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Post by mwpilots on Jun 27, 2008 4:50:52 GMT -6
I know your situation well. You also have to think about this, if they force a position at the new school for you, How much grief is the AP going to give you just because she can? She may be resentful of you because you forced the point, and I am not saying not to, it is just something else to consider. After all,we are talking about a female administrator. Key word being FEMALE!!!!
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Post by buck42 on Jun 27, 2008 6:14:17 GMT -6
Talked to the principal...she is not comfortable displacing a teacher that has been there for a while to bring me in...however, there was a teacher that was displaced to her school...if he is the least senior of the teachers in the department she will displace him and bring me in...if not, then I am staying at my old school...
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Post by coachcb on Jun 27, 2008 8:00:39 GMT -6
In the venerable words of Steven Tyler "RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY...."
Things to think about;
What kind of administration goes through the process of hiring a head football coach without thoroughly discussing having them in the building? I'll answer it; ONE YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR.
It sounds like this is already turning into a pissing match between the AD and the AP; something you don't want to have any part in. NOW OR EVER.
If the administration can't provide you with a united front when it comes to hiring you, what's going to happen when (not if) something happens with the parents or community?
I took a job several years ago against my own best judgment with respect to the administration and the general situation. It was a terrible situation; luckily I got out of it with a resignation (everyone else on staff was canned). My advice to you; stay where you're at; there's HC jobs popping up every year.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 27, 2008 9:53:37 GMT -6
Based on your conversation with the Principal - IF this teacher get's displaced, or that teacher get's displaced... - I don't have a good feel about this. Once again, if appears communication is not the strong point of this school/administration. Since your current school still wants you my free advice is STAY where you're at! There's going to be another HC job down the road. This one just sounds shaky.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 27, 2008 11:44:27 GMT -6
Talked to the principal...she is not comfortable displacing a teacher that has been there for a while to bring me in...however, there was a teacher that was displaced to her school...if he is the least senior of the teachers in the department she will displace him and bring me in...if not, then I am staying at my old school... I would call the principal and AD today, and just tell them that you appreciate their confidence in your coaching abilities, but that you are no longer interested in the position. RIGHT NOW. I know this is a bit of a blow, as you wanted to be a HC. But it is becoming apparent that this is NOT a situation that will allow you to be successful. Trust in those around you (the coaches on the board). Right now, this situation is analogous to you falling for the "bad girl" who is absolutely no good for you. All of your buddies (coaches on this board) are trying to steer you right, because we know that you WON'T be able to change her, even if you do get a chance. |
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Post by cmow5 on Jun 27, 2008 17:56:30 GMT -6
Based on your conversation with the Principal - IF this teacher get's displaced, or that teacher get's displaced... - I don't have a good feel about this. Once again, if appears communication is not the strong point of this school/administration. Since your current school still wants you my free advice is STAY where you're at! There's going to be another HC job down the road. This one just sounds shaky. I was thinking basically the same thing. I am not even a teacher(working on it), but 16 years of employment in every field you can think of tells me this is BAD. She is so quick at "displacing" people it is ridicules. Chances are if you take the job then you will be next. I say runaway, but dont burn any bridges. On the other hand I can see where you are coming from. I want to be just a varsity coach for now so bad that when I get my teaching degree I will probably jump at the first offer I get. Luckily we have this board of respectable coaches to help us out. It might be one of the hardest things you might have to do(or maybe not) but I say run away. |
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Post by burn on Jun 27, 2008 23:36:01 GMT -6
Coach,
I think you need to do what you need to do. If taking the job on a gamble is what feels right then do it. If staying where you are at feels right then do that. I wouldn't shut any doors until you have all of the information and I don't think this is done yet. If the school wants you and makes a position for you and you feel it is right then do it. If not then don't. I was in the same position about a year ago and I waited and waited. Finally a position was available and I took it because it felt right. The best year in education and coaching I have ever had. So don't close any doors until you know completely what can be offered to you and right now it does not seem as you have all of the information you need. Good luck and God bless.
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Post by creid on Jun 28, 2008 7:20:51 GMT -6
Do not take the job.
A few years back, I was in a similar situation. Offered the HC position, with no teaching job (there were only Bio and Music openings that year). I turned it down (I agonized about the decision). The school hired an outside person. The next January, the Head of School approached me, he said that they had reopened the position and would create a job for the person they would hire if they did not have movement in the department. He was true to his word (nobody left the math department and he created a spot for me) and we have won 75% of our games since I took the job. The year that the school hired another coach was one of my best in coaching. I was a DC at a rival school, had the opportunity to coach some great kids, and made some lifelong friends.
Again, do not take the job. If you are that close to being a HC you will find the right position.
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Post by utchuckd on Jun 28, 2008 7:48:38 GMT -6
Excellent point!
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Post by eaglemountie on Jun 28, 2008 11:56:45 GMT -6
Like one poster said above it does not sound like the Football program is a big priority at this school. Run away.
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Post by poweriguy on Jun 28, 2008 12:32:46 GMT -6
He said at that point then "you need to look out for yourself" This is a huge red flag! The time is not right to take this job IMHO. Best of luck. |
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Post by rebelfootballcoach on Jun 28, 2008 12:53:45 GMT -6
they are flying the red flag at full mast. Get the legs moving!!!! This is a sign of not so good things down the road. Consider it a blessing in disguise. Best wishes coach.
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