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Post by zoneblitz on Jun 24, 2008 6:27:54 GMT -6
What does every spread offense need to have in it's toolbox to be successful? I guess I am asking about foundation plays, blitz answers, formations, etc....?
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Post by coachnichols on Jun 24, 2008 11:53:57 GMT -6
This is a question that IMO has no right or wrong answers.
What does every offense need?
For me, the idea of the spread is spread out the defense and count the numbers in the box versus what we want to and/or can do. That said, for me the spread needs option plays (zone, speed, midline, veer, trap, etc.) The QB needs to be coached well regardless of whether he is ultra-talented or not or a runner, a thrower, or both. He needs to be coached well and thoroughly.
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Post by airitout616 on Jun 24, 2008 12:19:11 GMT -6
First of all you need to look at personnel to determine what you will do formation wise. Do you have a TE ? Do you have a FB ? do you have more WR's ? etc....
Then you need to figure out do you want to be a Zone blocking scheme or not.
Do you want to be a Option/Read team ?
What kind of passing game do you want to have ? simple with half field reads or more of a Air Raid approach with progressions ?
Is your QB more of a pocket passer, a runner or both ?
Then I think you can answer your question.
But like coachnichols said the needs of the spread are just like the needs of any other offense. You need a answer for each coverage you will see. You need a answer for all out blitz, you need a answer for 7 in box cover 0, you need a short yardage play and red zone package or at least a set of plays.
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Post by spreadattack on Jun 24, 2008 12:22:09 GMT -6
You are asking the question backwards. What will you face? How will teams line up against your spread offense? What blitzes will you see? What coverages will you see? What adjustments do you expect from your adjustments? What could they try, that maybe you haven't even seen yet, that would probably give you trouble?
Now, once you've figured out what they are going to do, you can now ask how you would attack Cover 2, Cover 3, this and that blitz, etc. That will be your answer.
It's the wrong direction to draw up a magic list of plays that you "need." In real life you're looking for answers and ways to attack actual defenses.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jun 24, 2008 13:32:05 GMT -6
1) qb who can make plays, both with his arm and with his legs 2) a second run threat 3) an offensive line that can communicate to pick up overloades, blitzes and stunts 4) at least two recievers that can command a man and a half in coverage and make plays 5) a coaching staff who can see what the defense is giving and take advantage of it with solid play selection 6) like any offense, discipline and ability to execute the plays called. 7) talent and play makers- jimmies and joes
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Post by dubber on Jun 24, 2008 14:54:09 GMT -6
throwing uncovered
after that, anything is up for grabs
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Post by briangilbert on Jun 24, 2008 20:59:49 GMT -6
I second dubber
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Post by eaglemountie on Jun 24, 2008 21:49:23 GMT -6
Definately believe that if you have the certain type of athlete that can play the slot and in the backfield, you need to utilize these types of players into your throwing uncovered schemes and into misdirection plays such as reverses, split screens,etc.
QB has to be a play maker. I like a lot of what WVU and Florida does with their skill guys. Find create ways to get those guys that are your 2nd and 3rd RB/QB/WR guys the ball in open space.
Thats the name of the game in the spread, spread the field and get your playmakers the ball in open field.
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Post by joelee on Jun 25, 2008 5:57:05 GMT -6
You need answers for the zone blitz and cov0 blitz. You need answers for the red zone/short yardage. You need answers if they drop 7-8 and max cover.
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Post by towtheline on Jun 25, 2008 18:04:42 GMT -6
A "must have" for the spread offense is to understand the why's behind the what's.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jun 26, 2008 12:26:26 GMT -6
Chris answered it the right way.
What will you face, the blitzes and coverages and then what do you need to attack it and you go from there.
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Post by dc207 on Jun 26, 2008 12:43:02 GMT -6
...as stated previously, one thing is to be able to throw the uncovered, one-man bubble to either side. If you can't, the numbers are not in your favor in many situations.
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Post by zoneblitz on Jun 26, 2008 13:25:23 GMT -6
Thank you for your responses. Our offense has been fully prepared for what we see in the blitz game, coverages, etc....when we based out of the I. Obviously, had we operated out of the spread we would know what we would see on defense. Some examples (when in the I), we faced a blitz situation, we would mostly throw quick (stop/slant/out) game or max protect and throw the ball downfield (post, deep out, corner) on a double move. A foundation play of most I formation teams in the iso/lead draw.
I do appreciate the responses. I understand that throwing uncovered and including some speed option are foundations of the spread after gathering info from the responses.
Are there some other philosophical ideas that must be included in the tool box of the spread offense?
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Post by zoneblitz on Jun 26, 2008 13:35:32 GMT -6
To answer airitout616: First of all you need to look at personnel to determine what you will do formation wise.
Do you have a TE ? 2 and we will use them both.
Do you have a FB ? Not a traditional I formation FB.
do you have more WR's ? Deep and talented with speed and size.
Then you need to figure out do you want to be a Zone blocking scheme or not.? We have been a gap blocking team for years, but are ready to intall the inside zone schemes this fall.
Do you want to be a Option/Read team ? No, but some read on zone and counter.
What kind of passing game do you want to have ? simple with half field reads or more of a Air Raid approach with progressions ? We have two full-field reads, but most passes focus on a key defender.
Is your QB more of a pocket passer, a runner or both ? Both. After a long history of 6'5 successful DI QBs we have the 6'1 190 athletic QB who needs his different talents showcased.
We have based out of the I and simply are looking at using parts of the spread and want to know if you "dangerously" pick and choose what fits your scheme.....what do you have to have so we have answers on game night when we are using the spread.
Hope this makes sense.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 29, 2008 21:42:12 GMT -6
You need answers for the zone blitz and cov0 blitz. You need answers for the red zone/short yardage. You need answers if they drop 7-8 and max cover. What does the "spread" need? ... see above What does the "I-formation" need? ... see above What does the "wishbone" need? ... see above What does "my" offense need? ... see above Generally speaking, offenses need the ability to execute sound plays versus defenses that load up to stop the run and/or blitz. They need to be able to execute sound plays versus teams that are committed to placing as many people into pass coverage/umbrella principles as possible. All teams need to be able to score when they get the opportunities down close to the goalline.
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Post by airmale on Jun 30, 2008 17:53:27 GMT -6
If you do not throw to uncovered recievers in the Spread, you are wasting your time. That is job 1! Everything else depends on what your kids can accomplish. Joe Montana or JC Watts can throw uncovered. After that coach to your abilities.
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Post by pantherfb10 on Jun 30, 2008 18:04:06 GMT -6
btw anyone see this formation,cause one team must have thrown for 100 yards off the buble screen alone
X TE TGCGT X X X QB
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Post by pantherfb10 on Jun 30, 2008 18:04:49 GMT -6
im sorry, theres 5 wr on left 2 online
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 6, 2008 22:25:31 GMT -6
Third and three. Own it any way you possibly can.
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Post by byuwolverine on Jul 13, 2008 22:12:25 GMT -6
The plays that you can run from a spread set are all on this board. I'll just give my two cents on attacking a defense from spread sets: 1. Throw to the uncovered guy, bubble screens ect. 2. secure the los and attack the bubbles in the front. 3. Find the receivers who are one on one and give it two them early and often. 4. Change the launch point of the throw and vary how your qb will get to the spot. 5. The reason spread sets are run: it makes it easier to find EMPTY GRASS.
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