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Post by carookie on Jun 12, 2008 22:27:54 GMT -6
Due to circumstances outside of my control my family and I recently moved out of state. At my old place I taught HS and coached; and though I still very much want/need to continue coaching I don't believe I will continue to teach.
For those of you who are not classroom teachers what professions have you found most conducive to being able to coach.
Thanks in advance
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kdcoach
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Post by kdcoach on Jun 13, 2008 5:50:03 GMT -6
Owning your own business works for me. As recently as last year I was in sales mgmt (V.P.) for a company, my third such position in the last 8 years on each occasion they hired me away from owning my own company promising me that they were ok if I spent a little less time at the office during the season and they were willing to "work" with me on schedule. In every occasion I outperformed their expectations of me and in every occasion they all asked me to pick between football and their company. I told all of them prior to starting that if they asked me to pick they probably wouldn't like my choice. Each time was for more money, better benefits package....yada, yada, yada... It's my fault, I should have never made that mistake more than once.
I know a couple of other coaches that work 3rd shift and a couple of guys that are outside commission only salespeople that find a way to make it work. One of the guys that coaches for me has a job that requires his 8 hours a day no matter when he puts them in, so he goes in at 6:00 am and works through lunch to make practice. He is in production planning. It's tough to find companies that are willing to work your schedule around so that you can put in the time you need to be effective.
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Post by bluecrazy on Jun 13, 2008 5:51:01 GMT -6
Carookie: I have been in high school coaching for 15 years, and a head coach now for 3 years. I'm self-employed in the refrigeration and appliance industry.
It is hard time wise, especially in August, when that is prime refrigeration season, but I just schedule the best that I can.
I think it would be very hard to do if I was not self-employed
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bigcroz
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Post by bigcroz on Jun 13, 2008 6:59:56 GMT -6
I am a registered nurse. I work pretty much anytime they want me too during the off season and during the season only Sat, Sun, Mon nights 7p-7a. Allows me all the time I need and to be able to afford to do what I love so much.
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Post by kboyd on Jun 13, 2008 7:51:53 GMT -6
I work in the not-for-profit sector (employment counsellor for people with disabilities). Where I work we get "volunteer time" which allows us to volunteer in the community during work hours as long as we are caught up with our work.
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Post by kylem56 on Jun 13, 2008 8:27:01 GMT -6
i havent done any of these but some other professions I have heard of other coaches doing:
personal trainer (set your own hours)
web site designer (work from home , self employed)
maintence within the school
frito lay/snack food trucks (start at 7am and when your route is done , your done)
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Post by kurtbryan on Jun 13, 2008 10:23:18 GMT -6
If Brophy is around  he can probably find out the True percentage nationwide: BUT, I believe somewhere around 75% of ALL high school coaches - including assistants are OFF campus coaches. Yours truly writes novels of suspense, and has been an off-campus coach, and private business person for many years of coaching (23 years total), and it allows for freedom and flexibility. From what I have seen too, Outside Sales People make great off-campus coaches. Lots of energy they have and easy to work with. KB |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 13, 2008 11:45:00 GMT -6
Kurt--I am having a hard time digesting that statistic. Perhaps it is because Louisiana didn't even allow non-faculty coaches until around 10-12 years ago, so my perspective growing up was that 100% of coaches were teachers. To think that nationwide 3 our of every 4 high school coaches is NOT a teacher...I would really have to see those numbers in black and white and evaluate the statistical measures and procedures used to get the data.
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Post by kurtbryan on Jun 13, 2008 12:33:03 GMT -6
If Brophy is around he can probably find out the True percentage nationwide: BUT, I believe somewhere around 75% of ALL high school coaches - including assistants are OFF campus coaches.** Well, I took a guess, and according to the CIF, last year 61% of all California coaches were Off Campus Coaches. Here is the link below, would be curious to see the national average. And the CIF says the Trend is heading that way towards more Off Campus coaches. Link to their study: www.cifstate.org/about/participation/partsurvey07.pdf
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Post by brophy on Jun 13, 2008 12:48:06 GMT -6
Texas and Louisiana require you to be an employee of the district to coach (louisiana makes a small 'exception' with CECP, but limits staff CECP members), so I really doubt the 3/4 numbers for NON-TEACHERS.
The "off-campus" (but still a teacher) definition might skew any data analysis, but the discussion is irrelevant to what the author is asking.
Sales, Civic officers (Fire / Police) are good routes with flexible schedules to allow a non-teacher to coach. Pretty much anything that does not require you to be at the office / on site during normal business hours.
There are four "non-teacher" threads in the JOBS forum.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 13, 2008 13:46:14 GMT -6
If Brophy is around he can probably find out the True percentage nationwide: BUT, I believe somewhere around 75% of ALL high school coaches - including assistants are OFF campus coaches.** Well, I took a guess, and according to the CIF, last year 61% of all California coaches were Off Campus Coaches. Here is the link below, would be curious to see the national average. And the CIF says the Trend is heading that way towards more Off Campus coaches. Link to their study: www.cifstate.org/about/participation/partsurvey07.pdf Thank you for the info. I would speculate that the numbers nationally will be lower than those in that study though. |
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Post by brophy on Jun 13, 2008 14:30:19 GMT -6
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jerry
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Post by jerry on Jun 13, 2008 15:15:29 GMT -6
3rd shift prison guard. the time works out great and you rarely have players that get in more trouble than your 'clients'.... ;D
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Post by carookie on Jun 13, 2008 15:16:12 GMT -6
No, Im in Arizona now....thanks for all the info though; any more ideas would help.
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Post by CoachBorrelli on Jun 13, 2008 16:53:00 GMT -6
For what it is worth... I am, have been an off campus coach for 20 years. I work a Rotating Shift job. The only hurdle is Swing shift 1pm-9pm or vacation coverage which means 12 hour shift. I have been able to switch shifts and let someone else have the OT in order to make practice. I also use vacation time to make games or Camp.
Graveyard shift is a great time to breakdown film when the Plant allows it.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 13, 2008 17:11:42 GMT -6
our entire coaching staff varsity Jv and freshman are all non teachers
HC and WR coach are campus supervisors
DC is a retied former teacher
OC works as a professional poker player in very early morning
LB coach does sheetrock
I am a full time student... but i do plan on becoming a teacher, if not i wil become a personal trainer
Not sure what all the JV and frosh coaches do, but i know none of them are teachers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2008 21:42:59 GMT -6
I would guess over half of coaches in IL are off campus, but I may be wrong. Any IL coaches have stats? I'm an off campus coach, but I do sub teach during the school year and have an education degree.
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Post by cmow5 on Jun 13, 2008 23:36:25 GMT -6
Heres a few from my schools.
Middle school.
I am a student
HC is a CSI detective
dont know the rest, but between 7th and 8th grade there is only 1 teacher at the school and 1 teacher at a different school
Fresh HC owns his own liquor store. DL varsity is a Janitor at the school and HC varsity is a semi retired teacher at the school, been coaching for about 50 years. The rest are teachers either at the school or career center
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Post by airraider on Jun 14, 2008 6:14:35 GMT -6
Im not even going to touch this subject..
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Post by biggroff on Jun 14, 2008 12:30:54 GMT -6
I would be willing to believe that at least half to 2/3 of Private school coaches are non-teaching coaches. At least that is my experience here in Illinois. So It would not suprise me if a large percentage are non-teaching.
2 of the top private school programs in Illlinois (Driscoll and Joliet Catholic) have a great number of non-teaching coaches.
I would think small population areas have a good number of "non-teaching" coaches.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 14, 2008 13:13:45 GMT -6
Back in the day most coaches were teachers at the school where they coached. You also had coaches who coached more than one sport - my head football coach helped with track, the head basketball coach was the freshman FB coach, the head baseball coach assisted with football and basketball - this was also at a big public school. I think you also had principals and AD's who looked to hire teachers who were also coaches. A new teacher would get hired and they would also coach the 8th grade team or the JV team, usually moving up the ladder and maybe becoming a head coach. Now it is definitely a different era with single sport coaches and many, many off campus coaches. Not saying its bad or good, its just the way it is. As an AD however, I do wish for the old days.
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Post by lochness on Jun 16, 2008 6:01:30 GMT -6
I work a regular professional job as an HR Manager. My company believes firmly in work-life balance, and they have allowed me to alter my working schedule from August-November so that I can participate. Now, I'm not sure how "limiting" that schedule may be on my career advancement should I choose to contiune coaching in lieu of pursuing other roles within HR where maybe I can't have that schedule and still be effective, but for now, I'll take it.
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he can probably find out the True percentage nationwide: BUT, I believe somewhere around 75% of ALL high school coaches - including assistants are OFF campus coaches.
