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Post by shocktroop34 on Jun 6, 2008 7:37:23 GMT -6
Coaches,
I'm at a school that has closed practices. Needless to say, many people are not happy. I'm not opposed to open practices, but I have to follow the school policy.
I'm curious to how you all may handle this situation. I'm sure that the policy was put in place years ago due to a few overzealous parents.
Your thoughts are much appreciated,
Shock
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dgs
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Post by dgs on Jun 6, 2008 8:11:16 GMT -6
It is up to the individual coach. We allow parents to attend, but they must stay behind the fence and may not do any "coaching".
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Post by superpower on Jun 6, 2008 9:23:38 GMT -6
To me closed practices indicate that you have something to hide. I agree with dgs that parents (and other fans) should be allowed to attend as long as they are just spectators. Remember that at the high school and junior high level, athletic programs are intended to be an extension of the educational process. Would a school close their classrooms to parents who wanted to see what was going on?
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jun 6, 2008 10:03:11 GMT -6
Were you in my meeting last night? You made the same two points that another parent made. Our AD didn't really have an answer. Curious about other thoughts on this matter.
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trojan
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Post by trojan on Jun 6, 2008 13:32:21 GMT -6
How closed is "closed?" Parents can't watch from the parking lot, or what? I like parents to see what is going on, since I think we do a good job with their kids. I don't like the idea of a parent holding their kid's water bottle, or being actually on the field, but I support their spectator status.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 6, 2008 14:14:16 GMT -6
Define closed practice.
That said, be THANKFUL that you seem to have an administration that is standing up to parents!!
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 6, 2008 14:45:43 GMT -6
If you wish to close practices or limit parents make sure you are not superceding a visitor policy already in place. Have your AD use the same policy as the main school building...
Most schools have a policy where visitors (this includes parents) must check in at the main office to receive a visitor's pass before being given free reign throughout campus. If he really doesn't want parents to attend practices and is concerned that they really have no policy in place that can prevent it then he should "allow" parents but they must meet required policy of the school district as a visitor.... they must obtain a visitor's pass at the main office, THEN they are free to watch practice from a specified "safe area" outside of the practice field.
Define the safety areas as those where players, balls, equpiment would not come into contact with spectators ... all other areas are "team personnel only" areas as this area may not be "safe" for spectators and the school district is looking out for the visitor's safety.
This allows parents to view practice should they choose to jump through the SAME hoop necessary to visit their son's classroom. So, you don't have closed practices ... what you have, is an attempt to keep the school safe from walk up visitors that could potentially lead to a problem for students, coaches, faculty, and staff.
A visitor is allowed in a school freely (provided they met the check in requirements) as long as that visitor doesn't disrupt the learning process of any students or present a danger to anyone. Defining the spectator's area within your practice facility is 1) for visitor and player safety, 2) not to disrupt with the learning process. Set up your spectator area at a reasonable distance from the field and you're good to go.
Fall back on school policy and use it as much as you can
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Post by airman on Jun 6, 2008 15:35:45 GMT -6
To me a closed practice means closed to the public and to the reporters.
Former U of Minnesota football coach used to have closed practices to the public but reporters could come if they followed the rules.
# 1 Rule no cell phones. Coach Mason has a thing for cell phones. He could ask you to leave or take it away.
From what I heard in a meeting one time in his first season a kid started talking on the phone, Coach mason took the phone and threw it across the room. It shattered into a million pieces.
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Post by fatkicker on Jun 6, 2008 21:15:06 GMT -6
for those that have not been part of open practice nightmares, i can see reason to close them sometimes.....
even though this seems to happen in the baseball setting more often........since most daddies have won the smokey river little league championship 4 years in a row.....ha
at least in football most parents can only think to say "hit somebody" or "spread the field" beccause they don't know anything about the game scheme-wise......
i like what coaches have said.....close the practices until a good "visiting plan" can be put in place.....with a spectators area......no bringing a kid a gatorade when we already have 4 coolers of water in place.......
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jun 7, 2008 14:03:40 GMT -6
We chose to close practice at my former school after a combination of events.
A mother came in after a coach and yanked her son off of the field (we had suspended the player from practice and a game for being suspended in school, the suspension was to start the next day). We also had a starting running back vomiting his guts out after another player's mother gave him a Fruitopia...during halftime of a game against our biggest rival.
After those two events, and also numerous daddy coaches trying to tell us to run the stuff that they ran in recreation ball, we shut the gates and they had to watch from outside the outer fence.
I really like the idea of designating a spectator area and having them "sign-in." I may have to get those two approved for my new job.
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wccoach
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Post by wccoach on Jun 7, 2008 21:11:50 GMT -6
I have been in programs that have had both open and closed practices and the best thing to do if you have an open practice is to make sure that you are filming practice. We have had some issues with fathers that come to practice and then get selective memory on how many catches or tackles that their player has made in practice and then get in a coaches face about their kid's playing time.
I have coached QB's for the last few years and had a father come in and get very irate about his boy's playing time after a practice. I had to stop him and remind him of our policy of having the player bring this type of issue to his coach prior to having the parent get involved. He left in a huff and returned with his kid the next day and had his player ask me about his playing time. I sat down with the player and reviewed the weeks practice tapes and he understood why the senior was playing ahead of him. The father still was upset and came in and I reviewed the practice tapes with him. I asked him to chart his son's plays and we went through the tapes. After about 15 minutes of tape, he apologized to me and told me that he had only seen the last 15 minutes of a practice and thought that his player was better than he was. If we did not have the practice films, the situation would have been much worse. Be careful with the open practices if you are not going to film. Just my opinion.
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Post by 1bignasty on Jun 7, 2008 21:25:32 GMT -6
Would a school close their classrooms to parents who wanted to see what was going on? [/quote]
Probably so. I wouldn't want parents popping into my class any old time. I have nothing to hide. I teach hard everyday........I just would not them in there hanging out. What do they know about what I am teaching anyway. What are they going to do teach me how to teach?
As far as open practices, i could care less. We usually have upwards of 50 people on a regular basis. What I don't like is when I see people out there that no one on my staff recognizes. When you have open practices, your next door rivals can send people to watch also....and don't think they won't. We do not have time or resources to go around and check ID's.
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Post by deepball on Jun 8, 2008 9:08:04 GMT -6
I have a closed practice policy and I do not feel it is b/c we are hiding anything or are afraid for parents to see what we do and how we treat their kids...BUT, our staff needs to coach these kids, not their parents. If little Johnny is constantly looking over his shoulder to see what mom or dad's reaction is, then that affects our ability to keep him focused on the things we are trying to accomplish that day or week. Parents need to understand that their kids react differently when they know mom/dad are close by watching - it puts undo pressure on them and creates anxiety in the kid. They need that time away from parents - JMO. Because we all know when little Johnny gets home, dad spends plenty of time telling him about what he did wrong and how the coach is an idiot!
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Post by fatkicker on Jun 10, 2008 20:16:02 GMT -6
off the subject but....
where are all the parents that support coaches when their child is the one being chewed out........
sounds like a great mom....
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