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Post by jcarbon2 on May 29, 2008 12:07:25 GMT -6
Or Not??
Guys,
I have been working on my practice schedules and have been reading here and there on a few ways to cut out the fat.
1)What do you think of cutting out stretching all together at the youth level? I have read Dave Cisar's book and he cut them out all together. I always wondered if we get any benefit from it. I can understand it at the higher levels or for weekend warriors but I am wondering about it for the kids.
2)Sprints or gassers at the end of practice? We always finish we these because we call it the 4th Quarter drills. I keep wondering if its worth it. Anybody think the same??
3)Warm up lap?? With all the talk about dynamic warm ups we adopted it this year and dropped the warm up lap. I keep wondering if we should have one warm up lap?? Maybe its that "old school" in me that feels the warm up lap is kind of sacred.
John
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Post by morris on May 29, 2008 12:31:48 GMT -6
We do not stretch at all. No warm up lap or anything. We start doing drills at about 1/4 speed and then speed it up. It is just like Air Raid teams except we use hand off drills and such in place of settle and noose.
We are planning on using full go no huddle so that is where we will get our sprinting. We keep tempo up as much as we can. We use games or whatever else we can to get into better condition.
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lbdad
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Post by lbdad on May 29, 2008 14:00:40 GMT -6
i have thuoght about this my self having boys and at the age of 7-10 they can roll out of bed and run a sprint no problem.i use a 5 min dynamic strech and there ready to go.
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Post by jcarbon2 on May 29, 2008 14:03:57 GMT -6
Looks like the streching and warm up lap are out and the dynamic warm up is in. uestionable is the end of practice sprints but as morris said that can be avoided by upping the tempo on the regular individual and team drills.
Thanks Coaches and keep the feedback coming so we can all benefit from our collective knowledge.
John
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Post by los on May 29, 2008 14:48:12 GMT -6
Yep...like Morris said.....we warmed up with position related agility's though.....like back pedal, carioca, slide/shuffle, short burst out of a 3 pt. stance, stuff in a 4 pt. stance, a few different bag and cone drills....just anything they'll use during a game to improve their coodination/athleticism
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Post by morris on May 29, 2008 16:32:48 GMT -6
Cisar has some good little "games" in his book that work on things and are good for conditioning. We sometimes just play ultimate football or something. they will run forever and not even know they are doing it.
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Post by davecisar on May 29, 2008 16:47:09 GMT -6
JC You know how we feel about it. If it's not football, we really don't do much of it unless it's "fun" time and we are looking to eval kids or get some "hidden conditioning" in. No carrioke, backpedals, cone drills, agilities etc etc Most of our kids at age 10 can still bend their ankles around their ears and with not having yet gone though puberty don't have a ton of muscle development. It's all about priorities and what will your players and team get the best return out of the investment of time. We stopped doing all that stuff a long time ago and it seemed to really help us in player and team development.
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Post by los on May 29, 2008 16:55:29 GMT -6
We actually could have gone right into regular practice, as most days when I got there after work, they were "playing something" on the practice field already....."kill the man"...."all passing football game", whatever....just pretty much running around like the "kids" they were, lol
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Post by los on May 29, 2008 21:34:58 GMT -6
I agree Dave.....teaching proper footwork for different positions and how to move efficiently on the football field,(football agility's) was a big priority "for me".......learning plays after a couple practices = never crossed my mind, as being a big priority, lol......point is......most of us are glad to share "the details" of our "inadequate" practice routines......"free of charge"....and... for analysis and criticism by the masses.....if they don't like it......they don't have to use it
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ptmtom
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Post by ptmtom on May 29, 2008 23:46:20 GMT -6
We went to dyn. stretch last year. This year we're going to shorten that period a little.
One question I have is what do you do for the neck? Without a weight room it is always a question.
Any ideas would be great.
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Post by CatsCoach on May 30, 2008 5:17:33 GMT -6
Well here is our practice routine(nothing special) First thing we do is get our Qb(s) and skill players and have them pitch and catch! Have 2 lines and both Qb's throwing & we have our O-line doing a drill working on there first step and hand placement. We do this for about 10 mins and then get into our stretching.
We don't do any running after practice and no warm up laps.
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Post by morris on May 30, 2008 5:26:00 GMT -6
You can just have the kids rotate their necks like they do in PE class. They can do that while they are in line for warm up drills.
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Post by davecisar on May 30, 2008 6:50:31 GMT -6
I agree Dave.....teaching proper footwork for different positions and how to move efficiently on the football field,(football agility's) was a big priority "for me".......learning plays after a couple practices = never crossed my mind, as being a big priority, lol......point is......most of us are glad to share "the details" of our "inadequate" practice routines......"free of charge"....and... for analysis and criticism by the masses.....if they don't like it......they don't have to use it When we took all the non-essential things like carrioce, agilities, cals and conditioning out of our practices it freed up a ton of time to teach real football skills, fundamentals and schemes. Improved the tempo and attitude of the kids, much higher retention rates and huge improvement in skill level of players and the team. Worked wonders for our kids anyways. Like anything it's all about priorities/critical success factors, where do you spend your resources to get the highest return to meet your stated mission? Those that get that figured out in whatever endeavour they tackle in the most efficient method, have success, those that don't , don't
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Post by royalfootball on May 30, 2008 9:00:47 GMT -6
Coach Cisar, Your warm-up routine is included in your winning youth football book?
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Post by davecisar on May 31, 2008 6:18:54 GMT -6
Yes, however the dynamic warm up is really no big deal/secret. You just get blood flowing to the muscles going from lower to higher intensity over a 5-10 minute time frame. Our pre-practice consists of Qbs throwing 5-7 yard seams to players on a 1/4-1/3 speed jog. Then we are face to face in 2 lines in our stances doing a very slow 10 yard high knees movement, then 10 yards of low intensity butt kickers, all with good form/arm movement. Then we go to angle form and fit tackling, again on a jog and without helmets. We get it all done in less than 10 minutes and the kids are starting to breathe a bot heavy by the end/quick pace. Some of that stuff is detailed here, about 325 free articles: IMO, most guys just do what they did 30 years ago when they played youth football. Like many things, like allowing unlimited water vs none then, has changed.
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Post by coach79 on May 31, 2008 21:26:24 GMT -6
IMO, most guys just do what they did 30 years ago when they played youth football. Like many things, like allowing unlimited water vs none then, has changed. You give your players water? Maybe that's what I did wrong... -CB
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Post by los on Jun 1, 2008 21:00:09 GMT -6
Thats a great point about "having a stated mission" as a youth coach.....every youth football program should have a "reason for being in existence"......that probably determines, your priorities in how, what and why you practice the way you do, in the first place? Depending then, on your priorities......you may focus more on "scheme related" skills or more "generic" football skills......
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Post by davecisar on Jun 2, 2008 7:46:27 GMT -6
Our mission statements focuses on developing a love and appreciation of the game in our players so they stick with football to recieve the inherent life lessons the game teaches them. Our research showed ( exit interviews in 400 +kid org) verified the Michigan State study that said kids quit because of: poor coaching, playing on non-competitive teams and lack of playing time. By doing what we do focusing on football fundamentals, schemes and interjecting fun into most of what we do, we have been able to overcome the 3 biggest reasons kids quit and hence keep them playing the game. While growing my org, I had to take 2 year off of coaching to manage it, I studied the best and worst orgs/teams in the area, the best ones that kept all their kids and whose teams were consistently very competitive and I studied the floundering orgs, the ones that were losing players left and right, barely staying afloat and consistently losing. The common thread I found wasnt a common offense or defense, but good and poor priority setting. The worst programs were the ones that did all the non football, non fun stuff, the good ones were all about football and great technique teachers, no wasted time or movement in their practices, no"dandelion chasing". It was real hard watching the poor organizations practices, a hodge podge of farily worthless drills, tons of live scrimmaging and conditioning and wasted time. It was as time had stood still and they were doing exactly what they had done as a youth 30 years prior.
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Post by ampipebulldog on Jun 2, 2008 16:18:22 GMT -6
Now, I coach 9-10 year olds and have 16 on the team. Don't I need to do more conditioning stuff considering they play more? I was lax on this last year, followed Dave's direction, and it was the only thing I was a little regretful about. I saw that in 2-3 games we were the ones running out of steam.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 2, 2008 21:41:09 GMT -6
When you get to less than 18 kids you have to "condition" more. When we have to we just run our plays out 20 yards are do more "deer hunter" games.
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Post by los on Jun 2, 2008 21:41:34 GMT -6
I'd still say you don't need "any" traditional group calisthenics or conditioning(like laps or wind sprints) with these young guys......as a rule of thumb....if you can make your practices "much" tougher, than a real game.....time wise.....moving/running around wise....hitting wise....the extra conditioning isn't important......something else to consider(especially if its a hot weather game and you have low numbers on a team).....if you play by most HS rules, you get 6 timeouts per game, plus halftime....the other team gets 6 timeouts per game, so, thats a "possible" 12 short breaks, plus 1 long one, per game?....use them wisely, like for water breaks or a little breather period?....Kids generally recover quickly, then they're good to go for awhile longer
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Post by davecisar on Jun 3, 2008 8:09:00 GMT -6
los: Have you ever used this approach with one of your own teams...how long ago...was it successful?
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Post by los on Jun 3, 2008 9:41:32 GMT -6
Yes Dave.....once I realised,( fairly early on), in my youth coaching stint, in the mid 80's......that calisthenic's, laps and wind sprints, were pretty much what they already did during PE class every day.....we warmed up and conditioned with more football related agilities and drills(we actually probably agree on this, but focus on different drills or games?) Our practice's started in early to mid Aug. (very hot here), we practiced from about 5-5:30pm till about 7:30ish.....mon thru thurs.....we played on thurs. evenings, so when the season started, only practiced mon-wed.......so yep......practice was generally a longer time period, than most of our games.....we spaced out our water breaks/time outs(similar to a real game).....did a lot of "live" hitting, at every practice.....pretty much tried to simulate the intensity of a real game, all thru practice, as much as possible......."usually" had lower numbers of players.....had the same practice routine and basic offensive/defensive/special teams systems over the years......my last youth season was back in 97/98......how successful was it?.......lol.....don't know for sure.....we won more than we lost......the kids seemed to enjoy it and we had decent retention rates in our youth program......most of the kids, continued to play football "at some level" on the school teams......have to ask their "school coach's" if they "had any basic skill's when they got there"?......I always hoped so, since "that" was our program's "mission".....They keep trying to get me back into youth coaching.....so they must like something we did?
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Post by veerraid on Jun 3, 2008 15:03:44 GMT -6
Hot in Georgia?!? You are kidding, right? ;D
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Post by los on Jun 3, 2008 17:25:28 GMT -6
LMAO.....no ....never gets hot and humid.....no gnats or fire ants either.....it's a definite vacation spot in the summer......I wouldn't lie
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