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Post by raiderpride on May 4, 2008 14:14:05 GMT -6
Do these offenses still work at the 1A and 2A levels? We are trying to implement a 'ball control' offense and was thinking about these two. Any info or help will be appreciated.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 4, 2008 14:35:42 GMT -6
coach..of course they work. Football isn't like fruit...it doesn't "go bad".
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Post by raiderpride on May 4, 2008 15:33:22 GMT -6
What kind of splits do the linemen need to have? Foot-to-Foot, arm's length?
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Post by go42 on May 4, 2008 15:49:00 GMT -6
The size of the splits will vary based on the personnel you have (bigger splits if you have smaller quicker backs, etc) I do believe this type of offense can/is successful at any level (pop warner to div 3 college) it all comes down to execution and ball faking. A lot of the teams in Michigan have now gone to taking hand offs in a layered manner now; it makes it very difficult to find the ball. Great ball control offense; scores a lot of points
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Post by raiderpride on May 4, 2008 16:21:49 GMT -6
Thanks for the info go42! We have some lightning quick backs that are not only quick, they are fast. Any more info on these offenses will be appreciated!
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Post by groundchuck on May 4, 2008 16:41:17 GMT -6
Any offense will work at any level of HS ball provided the coaches know how to coach it, and the players are able to execute it.
We used the bone quite a bit last year when running out belly series, options, and FB trap.
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Post by mwpilots on May 5, 2008 3:56:35 GMT -6
Go to Google video and type in Waverly Football. There is a 36 minutes video of a team from Nebraska running the Wishbone in 2004. They really maximized the offense. They finished 3rd in the state for their division. Let me know what you think of it.
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Post by tedseay on May 5, 2008 5:36:28 GMT -6
Do these offenses still work at the 1A and 2A levels? We are trying to implement a 'ball control' offense and was thinking about these two. Any info or help will be appreciated. Coach: Smith Center, KS, has had great success the past few years running Inside Belly/Double Dive and a few related series (but little or no option) from wishbone -- great video on this site: www.usd237.com/HS_FB_video.phpMeanwhile, those straight-T types in Michigan have also done very well, and several of them post on this forum: forums.delphiforums.com/PowerTFootball/start |
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Post by go42 on May 5, 2008 5:36:59 GMT -6
If you have quickness and speed you should probably look at running a lot of quick hitters (A Gap & B Gap) and Counters (C gap). If you have a quick FB, I would run the wishbone with th e FB right on the QBs rearend and hit a lot of FB blasts with a cross fake off it - it will open up a lot of things by forcing the LBs to stay home and not flow...
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Post by airman on May 5, 2008 14:03:59 GMT -6
What kind of splits do the linemen need to have? Foot-to-Foot, arm's length? I all dependson what you are trying to accomplish. the wider the splits the more the option becomes a qb/fb game. when you have smaller splits you are going to get to the edge sooner so you pitch the ball more. I went to a college which ran the wishbone. the splits started out at 4 ft. then the guards adjusted their splits. you could have a 1 or 2 ft split between the guard and center. this resulted in a 6 ft split between the tackle and the guard. |
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Post by burtledog on May 5, 2008 17:15:00 GMT -6
powertfootball.proboards57.com/ The Delphi board on Power T, Dead T, Michigan T... is going under if it hasn't yet. Their is a yahoo groups site by John Carbon (frequent contributor) on Power T type schemes. He has several Robust T, Power T and Power Wishbone T documents you can view and download. Greg
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Post by coachank on May 6, 2008 12:04:12 GMT -6
the great thing about the wishbone is that it is very adaptable to whatever talent you have.
We saw 2 different bones last year and they basically did nothing the same. One was a huge team that just tried to run you over with powers, blasts, power sweeps, etc. They did not have any real speed to think of. The other team was a small quick team that ran mostly options of different kinds with big splits. Lots of quick traps and quick pitches, split 1 wide receiver, etc. The Double dive series is a great series. Smith Center KS has ridden it to several state titles in the last couple of years.
Great offensive formation that is very very adaptable.
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Post by phantom on May 6, 2008 15:29:45 GMT -6
What kind of splits do the linemen need to have? Foot-to-Foot, arm's length? It depends on what kind of stuff you're running. If you want to run triple the split of the guards have to be constant because the gusrd is the FBs aiming point. Change the split and you risk screwing up the mesh. |
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Post by coachweav88 on May 6, 2008 20:00:19 GMT -6
If you want to run the straight T, look into the Olivet playbook on the straigh T forum listed above. It is absolutely amazing!!! extremely detailed. If you have trouble finding it, pm me. I can email it to you.
Here's Olivet Running the T
Here are some more T highlights.
Enjoy!
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Post by coachweav88 on May 6, 2008 20:07:26 GMT -6
This is a great video as well
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Post by raiderpride on May 15, 2008 9:43:18 GMT -6
I want to thank all of you for all of the information you guys have shared with me. It has been very helpful in my research of the two offenses. I am still trying to gain a better understanding of the two, but if ya'll have any more info please pass it along.
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