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Post by davecisar on Apr 29, 2008 5:45:22 GMT -6
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Post by superpower on Apr 29, 2008 6:51:21 GMT -6
The result of spineless administrators.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Apr 29, 2008 7:04:50 GMT -6
Why would anyone coach there? Talk about waiting for the axe to fall...
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 29, 2008 7:31:17 GMT -6
The superintendants name: John Noodlespine.  |
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Post by highball007 on Apr 29, 2008 8:26:48 GMT -6
Who in their right mind would want to coach there?
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Post by dhooper on Apr 29, 2008 8:41:03 GMT -6
Been there done that. Its sad because the kids get the worse of it.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 29, 2008 9:10:36 GMT -6
In our district you technically have to get hired back every year, but they have never hired someone new just for the hell of it.
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Post by paydirt18 on Apr 29, 2008 9:26:19 GMT -6
Sounds to me like the administration believes those coaches are coaches of teams rather than leaders of programs. How could this possibly have seemed like a good idea? Excellent point. I am a HC in a district that has the same hiring practice. It is very frustrating when these administrators simply look at you as a 3 month a year coach of a "team". In all reality, football is year round and my goal is to build a program. That is hard to do when you have people such as this. |
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Post by airman on Apr 29, 2008 17:31:40 GMT -6
why would a teachers union have this in the contract. every thing in a union teacher contract is up for bargaining at each contract. seems to me the teachers union should take a look at the contract.
however, in a captialist society, this is how things work. In the private sector you better meet the objective or you are sent packing.
I personally think teachers should be hired on a year to year contract. If you do not grade out well, you are done and we will replace you.
Jack Welsh, a very wise CEO said you should terminiate your bottom 15% of perfomers on a annual basis. This is how he turned G.E. around and took them from a 14 Billion dollar company to a 410 billion dollar company.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 30, 2008 9:04:36 GMT -6
Most coaching jobs are like this (all states I've been in anyway: WY, CO, NE). Coaching contracts are on a year to year basis.... on paper anyway. Good administrators (and board members, community members) understand the need for "building a program". The problem is one loud (and often ignorant) voice can cause a lot of people to run amok. Really, that had happened here (and some still want it to happen), but since I've been AD (5 years) we've had only one coaching change (Volleyball coach resigned due to parents, overall frustration... in the long run it was probably the best move for her and the program). Every year when coaching assignments are presented to the board, I cringe a bit, because I know someone will try to remove a coach for some non-existent reason, but I think my stubbornness (and our administration, which is strong) has worn on them and they've agreed to let us do our jobs when it comes to hiring and firing- and while we will listen to their concerns, ultimately we are in the best position to make an informed, unbiased decision. Unfortunately, not all districts are run this way, and the one year contract opens up for a lot of abuse with a bad board or administration.
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Post by tedseay on May 1, 2008 6:14:01 GMT -6
however, in a captialist society, this is how things work. In the private sector you better meet the objective or you are sent packing. This has nothing to do with how things work in a free market economy. (FYI, "capitalist" is a Marxist term.) This is a bunch of bureaucrats f%$king around with the taxpayers' money -- for which they feel no accountability. Do you honestly think that a Board of Directors of a private firm whose mission was to grow a successful football program would risk re-inventing the wheel annually, based solely on short-term goals? Anyone who knew anything about program-building would have an eye on medium- to long-term success. If they achieved short-term success, they would reward it -- but that doesn't mean they would, or should, punish relative failure every year. In other words, the system would look a whole lot more like NCAA D1 or the NFL than it would the Charlie Fox high school set-up that Dave cited...reward success, punish failure, but understand that canning a program one year into a turn-around effort would be hugely counter-productive. |
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Post by stone65 on May 1, 2008 7:57:06 GMT -6
In Alabama, the Birmingham City Schools do this every year.
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Post by kurtbryan on May 1, 2008 10:13:46 GMT -6
I am going to agree with the sad fact that this type of overt power mongering by these particular admininstrative groups in those districts have lost sight that the KIDS lose...lack of continuity equals declining athletic programs. It would be interesting to learn if those Administrators have to FEND OFF all comers each year...hmm...I seriously doubt that.  KB |
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Post by ajreaper on May 1, 2008 11:46:41 GMT -6
If this is good for football coaches then it seems it would be good for AD's and principles as well so why don't they do it?
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Post by oguru on May 1, 2008 13:50:17 GMT -6
In Wisconsin or the part I am in the only way any coaches contract is up afte the season is if they are not a teacher. If your a teacher because your in the union your protected. Just like if a non teacher is coaching and a teacher wants the job the teacher should technically be hired.
In the Milwaukee Public School system, it is the exact opposite where at the end of the school year the football coaching jobs are all posted teacher or not. I truly believe this is totallt wrong. However MPS city football is not the greatest. They lack great coaches and kids who have fundamentals. I worked at a school where we did tackiling one day all year. How do expect the kids to get better if they dn't work on fundamentals everyday.
Don't get me wrong their are some good athletes but not football players. The whole coaching contract doesn't help this situation either. They need great fundamentally sound coaches, to teach fundamentals and techniques.
Sorry for going off on a rant, but this is a joke,and honestly needs to stop.
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Post by paydirt18 on May 1, 2008 20:21:58 GMT -6
However MPS city football is not the greatest. They lack great coaches and kids who have fundamentals. I worked at a school where we did tackiling one day all year. How do expect the kids to get better if they dn't work on fundamentals everyday. Don't get me wrong their are some good athletes but not football players. Not to take this in a different direction, but as I said earlier I am a HC and I am in the conference the poster speaks of. That being said, you must be at a school that is considered a bit weaker in relation to our conference. 4 of the schools in our conference - 1 of which I am at, have very solid coaching staffs were fundamentals are taught every practice day. As for your quote about the kids being great athletes, several of my departing seniors are going on to college ball next year including 1 D1 kid. I think the conference has made great strides within the past 5 years.....this should not be an issue. The discussion was about hiring tactics and MPS unfortunately is no angel. |
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Post by airman on May 3, 2008 12:33:39 GMT -6
In Wisconsin or the part I am in the only way any coaches contract is up afte the season is if they are not a teacher. If your a teacher because your in the union your protected. Just like if a non teacher is coaching and a teacher wants the job the teacher should technically be hired. In the Milwaukee Public School system, it is the exact opposite where at the end of the school year the football coaching jobs are all posted teacher or not. I truly believe this is totallt wrong. However MPS city football is not the greatest. They lack great coaches and kids who have fundamentals. I worked at a school where we did tackiling one day all year. How do expect the kids to get better if they dn't work on fundamentals everyday. Don't get me wrong their are some good athletes but not football players. The whole coaching contract doesn't help this situation either. They need great fundamentally sound coaches, to teach fundamentals and techniques. Sorry for going off on a rant, but this is a joke,and honestly needs to stop. \ I disagree with the fact that if a teacher wants the job he should just get it because he is on staff. sure it would be nice to have a all on staff coaching staff but that is not the way it goes any more. |
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Post by airman on May 3, 2008 12:36:32 GMT -6
however, in a capitalist society, this is how things work. In the private sector you better meet the objective or you are sent packing. This has nothing to do with how things work in a free market economy. (FYI, "capitalist" is a Marxist term.) This is a bunch of bureaucrats f%$king around with the taxpayers' money -- for which they feel no accountability. Do you honestly think that a Board of Directors of a private firm whose mission was to grow a successful football program would risk re-inventing the wheel annually, based solely on short-term goals? Anyone who knew anything about program-building would have an eye on medium- to long-term success. If they achieved short-term success, they would reward it -- but that doesn't mean they would, or should, punish relative failure every year. In other words, the system would look a whole lot more like NCAA D1 or the NFL than it would the Charlie Fox high school set-up that Dave cited...reward success, punish failure, but understand that canning a program one year into a turn-around effort would be hugely counter-productive. you are right, Carl Marx coined the term capitalist or capitalism where goods and services are held mostly by private companies and individuals. there is some truth to building for the future but you are not going to keep a under performer. the very fact that you could be here today and gone tomorrow motivates people to perform at a higher level. if you read the article it says academic success was the reason they were not retained. |
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Post by optionguy on May 3, 2008 14:43:26 GMT -6
The result of spineless administrators. Not all of us are spineless. |
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