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Post by jm on Apr 25, 2008 11:43:55 GMT -6
I swear, there are few things that rile me more than when I hear a local radio guy/sports announcer/sports writer say that a player "doesn't run good routes".
The guy making the comment 99 times out of 100 is just saying it because he thinks it makes him sound smart. In reality, unless you know that team's route package, how the route is taught to the player in question, what the coverage is that the route is being run against, and field position you don't have enough information to judge the player's route-running ability.
I once heard an NFL color commentator kill a WR for rounding-off a speed-out saying he needed to make the cut more of a 90-degree angle.
So, with that in mind, what do you hear the lay-person say about football that just irritates you?
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 25, 2008 12:11:42 GMT -6
My #1 pet-peeve is when people over-emphasize how important "heart" is, and under-emphasize how important size and speed are...
Of course if 2 players are comparable in height, weight, 40, etc... then the one with more heart will be the better player.
But I hear a TON of people always say that if they were in charge, they would rather have the 5'6", 145 lb. 4.8-40 MLB with "heart"... instead of a 6'3" 240 lb. 4.5-40 MLB who plays with less heart...
I think it's the "Rudy-Syndrome"
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Post by coachcb on Apr 25, 2008 12:23:42 GMT -6
When they mess up/misname schemes.
1. Refering to the Flexbone as the Wishbone.
2. Refering to the SG option as gimmicky.
3. Refering to every team that has a 2x2/3x1 formation in their package as a "spread team". We lived in the I formation for 3/4 of our plays this last year, yet according to the papers, we were running "the spread".
4. People talking about how "you have to have the athletes to run ______ offense". We were scoring 20 points a game in youth football one year running the Wing T; I was told on 4 different occasions that we didn't have the "athletes" to run it.
5. People that think that the anything other than pro schemes are "outdated".
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 25, 2008 13:21:46 GMT -6
anyone who says that ___________ scheme is superior.
There is no superior O or D. If there was then everyone would run the same exact thing. Its all in how you teach/practice what you do
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Post by Coach Klemme on Apr 25, 2008 13:38:33 GMT -6
What really grinds my gears is when we are in cover 3 or cover 2 and we have parents yelling at their kids to "go where he goes" for man coverage. Even though it is the freshmen level I get po-ed when they do that. When every dad thinks their 14 year old son is a shut down corner and he vacates while the other team runs a flare or wheel route adn he gets burned. Funny how the parents think they know the schemes better than the coaches based on how their kid was in Pee wee ball. After he gets burned a few times and is standing next to dad because he can't figure it out usually gets both their attention.
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Post by phantom on Apr 25, 2008 13:53:55 GMT -6
I swear, there are few things that rile me more than when I hear a local radio guy/sports announcer/sports writer say that a player "doesn't run good routes". The guy making the comment 99 times out of 100 is just saying it because he thinks it makes him sound smart. In reality, unless you know that team's route package, how the route is taught to the player in question, what the coverage is that the route is being run against, and field position you don't have enough information to judge the player's route-running ability. I once heard an NFL color commentator kill a WR for rounding-off a speed-out saying he needed to make the cut more of a 90-degree angle. So, with that in mind, what do you hear the lay-person say about football that just irritates you? I hate it when they identify the defensive player who's closest to a receiver who scores a TD as the guy who was burned. |
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Post by chaz111 on Apr 25, 2008 14:39:17 GMT -6
More specifically the poor cover-2 corner chasing his a$$ off because the safety blew the coverage and the corner gets blamed.
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Post by CoachJ on Apr 25, 2008 14:56:52 GMT -6
My three least favorite crowd shouts:
1. There he is!- Oh, he's right there and we missed him? Easy to see from the stands.
2. Get him! (or tackle him)-Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!, we are supossed to tackle him? I thought he was suppossed to bounce of our defenders, but now that you mention it "getting" him would be better.
3. Block Line-Really? because I thought my job was to eat cheeseburgers?
I also hate it when people use specifics to justify a general concept of being true.
"Tim Tebow won the Heisman, that justifies that the Single Wing would be dominant in College football."
"LSU beat Ohio State, therefore all Big 10 teams would be dominated by SEC schools."
"We won class A football, so we would be competitive with 5A teams."
I hate that type of "logic."
Being a former offensive lineman, this is my least favorite one:
If I was an OL and in 75 plays, if I pancaked my guy 70 times, but he beat me 5 times for either sacks or TFLs, the OL was dominated in the game.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 25, 2008 15:14:26 GMT -6
"LSU beat Ohio State, therefore all Big 10 teams would be dominated by SEC schools." You mean they wouldn't?  I hate it when some yahoo in the stands or on talk radio says crap like "The QB is telegraphing all his passes!" or "The QB isn't reading the Defense, he's deciding where to throw the ball before the ball is ever snapped." |
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Post by justryn2 on Apr 25, 2008 15:17:20 GMT -6
I always hate to hear the crowd yelling at the O-Line to block when in reality the running back or QB, whoever has the ball, is just basically standing around waiting to be smacked down. I also once heard a dad yelling, "left, LEFT!" at his son, who was playing defense. The offense was taking the ball outside to their left, which would be the right side of the defense.
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Post by jm on Apr 25, 2008 15:29:40 GMT -6
"LSU beat Ohio State, therefore all Big 10 teams would be dominated by SEC schools." You mean they wouldn't? I hate it when some yahoo in the stands or on talk radio says crap like "The QB is telegraphing all his passes!" or "The QB isn't reading the Defense, he's deciding where to throw the ball before the ball is ever snapped." Oh, sweet jeezus, the "QB telegraphing his passes" is another one I hate... maybe I just hate the fan who is trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about when he clearly doesn't... maybe I'll head over to the doctor's office, hang out in the waiting room, and loudly second guess all of the doctor's diagnoses. |
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Post by poweriguy on Apr 25, 2008 15:48:42 GMT -6
Team lines up in a power I, stack I or T formation, announcer calls it all "full house backfield" .
All of Jeff Tedford's first round picks he coached, are busts, therefore he can't develop "pro quarterbacks" . Even though he gets the most out of his qbs and they win games.
When Fox Sports covers any college bowl game with NFL commentators. I want to hear commentary on the actual game I'm watching, not constant remarks on how the 3 or four "top draft picks" are doing every down.
Jimmy Johnson.
Zone blocking is dirty.
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Post by CVBears on Apr 25, 2008 16:06:19 GMT -6
When people state that so and so was wide open and Johnny QB should throw to the open man. They have no knowledge of what the concept was (or what a passing concept is for that matter), nor what the QB's read is on that concept. As if the QB has an eight mississippi rush rule and can wait for all of his receivers to magically get open.
This one is probably just me due to a personal situation I experienced once, but... "Look off the safety" drives me nuts too. Get your eyes to the freakin' read area! It's three step timing from the gun, moron. Yes there are circumstances to manipulate safeties with shoulders/etc. But not every freakin' pass concept. It is ridiculous.
OL getting blamed for the QB holding on to ball for two long. Hate that one. Pride is what drives a lot of OL and here comes some fruitcake with no knowledge about anything trying to take the pride away when they have no idea.
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Post by ramsoc on Apr 25, 2008 22:10:23 GMT -6
Team lines up in a power I, stack I or T formation, announcer calls it all "full house backfield" Just curious, what do you know as the full house? |
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Post by davecisar on Apr 26, 2008 6:39:24 GMT -6
Every Jet or Fly type sweep is some type of trick play "reverse" or 'end around". "Block someone" "Hit Somebody" "You Got to Block" "trickeration" "You cant run against 8 in the box" " The kids just need someone to fire them up  " QB expected to see the entire field and find his 4th option accross the field from his scramble while on the run. Every beautiful trap, split flow, belly, Iso, Dive, Power, counter, wedge play between the tackles is an "up the middle play". "They don"t run that in the NCAAs or NFL" ( talking youth football game here 8-10 year olds :  |
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Post by coachgreen05 on Apr 26, 2008 7:15:21 GMT -6
"LSU beat Ohio State, therefore all Big 10 teams would be dominated by SEC schools." They can... |
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Post by scoresomemore on Apr 26, 2008 8:33:24 GMT -6
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Post by tiger46 on Apr 26, 2008 8:34:18 GMT -6
Youth football. The list would be as long as my arm. But, here are some that really bother me. "Coach, you need to spread 'em out." Yeah, as every coach knows, isolating a fat slow 9yr old lineman or, 50lb mpp asthmatic twig against a stud defensive player equals scoring frenzy! Daddies- the few these kids have that are presences in their lives. "I played HS football. I almost got a scholarship. Here's a play we used to run...blah, blah, blah. Run that; it'll work." First of all, how do you almost get a scholarship? Secondly, they never know the blocking scheme to the 'magic bullet' play. Last of all, I don't think 3rd quarter of a football game is a good time to work on installing a new offense. "Singlewing?! That s**t won't work." The daddy usually goes on to explain the sophistication (incorrectly, of course because he's repeating what the color commentator on TV says) of some of the NCAA D1 and NFL defensive schemes that would kill the singlewing. I haven't been coaching youth football long. But, I can say that I have never ran into a team of 9>10yr olds that can play defense as sophisticatedly as NCAA or NFL players. Maybe I should keep copious notes of what the daddies say, just in case my team ever gets UT or the Dallas Cowboys on our schedule. They had better watch out. The East Austin Tigers got a little something for 'em!  |
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Post by tiger46 on Apr 26, 2008 8:42:44 GMT -6
I would like to add that I also get sick of people screaming at the refs or, accusing the refs of cheating for the other team. It's usually the parents in the stands. But, I've watched youth games that the coaches of terrible teams are throwing their hats on the ground and blaming the refs for every bad thing that happened on the field. Yeah, it's the refs fault.
I don't remember it being the refs jobs to teach teams how to block and tackle. I thought that is what we coaches did.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 26, 2008 8:58:23 GMT -6
"LSU beat Ohio State, therefore all Big 10 teams would be dominated by SEC schools." You been listening to Colin Cowherd or what...? |
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 26, 2008 9:40:58 GMT -6
"LSU beat Ohio State, therefore all Big 10 teams would be dominated by SEC schools." You been listening to Colin Cowherd or what...? What does Cowherd say? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2008 12:54:56 GMT -6
I absolutely hate the phrase, "He/She/They/That Coach can't win 'the big one'" It basically implies the only "Big Games" the subject has played or coached in are the ones they lost.
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Post by nickknx865 on Apr 26, 2008 21:06:06 GMT -6
I can't stand to hear, "The option would not work today in college football, because the defenses are too fast." The people that usually say that usually don't even pay attention to college football.
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 27, 2008 13:33:14 GMT -6
Ah yes, the end around! Brent Musburger's favorite for the jet sweep.
adopted a team that was very weak and small - teams could foot-to-foot us play powerball, run it down our throats and we couldn't stop it. Rough for a coach. Anyway - love the call from the stands - "WHy don't you stop that play?" - Oh geez, alright then - hadn't thought of that - thanks for the advice...
oh yeah, was scouting one night and was listening to a local radio man - He expressed his concern that this year's team didn't have any tacklers that would just put their head down and ram the ball carriers in the chest. kind of makes you cringe, hunh?
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 27, 2008 15:00:52 GMT -6
You been listening to Colin Cowherd or what...? What does Cowherd say? He's just always bagging on the Big10 cause Ohio State walks through the conference, and the last 2 SEC schools they played waxed them... He makes it out to be that the SEC just has FAR SUPERIOR ATHLETES than the big-10, but I think that the big-10 teams have just as many go to the NFL as the SEC, but they are forced to play a different style in the big-10... That's why Illinois is causing so much of a stir in the Big-10... The big, strong, "slower" LB's & DL that are excellent at slowing the power/iso running game, run into problems when they are forced to play against teams that run the zone-read play out of gun... |
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Post by coachchad on Apr 28, 2008 0:08:29 GMT -6
calling tunnel or jailbreak screens bubble screens
calling reverses double reverses when those are actually extremely rare (saints vs. falcons two years ago is the only one I have seen in years)
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Post by realdawg on Apr 28, 2008 5:15:32 GMT -6
SOMEBODY HIT SOMEBODY!!!!
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 28, 2008 6:49:25 GMT -6
He's just always bagging on the Big10 cause Ohio State walks through the conference, and the last 2 SEC schools they played waxed them... He makes it out to be that the SEC just has FAR SUPERIOR ATHLETES than the big-10, but I think that the big-10 teams have just as many go to the NFL as the SEC, but they are forced to play a different style in the big-10... That's why Illinois is causing so much of a stir in the Big-10... The big, strong, "slower" LB's & DL that are excellent at slowing the power/iso running game, run into problems when they are forced to play against teams that run the zone-read play out of gun... Well, if you look strictly at numbers in the NFL draft, the SEC does lead the way, and has for years. I think you hit the nail on the head regarding style of play though. I did a comparison of SEC vs Big 10 Defensive players on another site. The differences are astounding in my opinion. Big 10 D's have NFL sized players. Their interior DLs are normally 300+, and their DE's 260-270. Their LBs are 240+. Compared to the normal SEC D where the 0 or 1 tech guy will be 300+, most 3 tech guys 280ish, and DEs 240-260. 220lb LBs are common in the SEC and 240 is a big one. Auburn's LB's go 210-225, but they run like DBs. In the SEC if a safety grows much over 200, he'll likely be playing LB soon. SEC D's are built for speed. (There are exceptions to the rule in both conferences of course) That's what's given OSU such a problem the past 2 years. And you got to admit it looks funny to see a team that the media says can't be beat, that walked through the conference get smoked by a 1 or 2 loss SEC team. The fact that OSU/Mich was touted as the game of the century in 2006, and many called for a rematch for the BCS, only to have BOTH get beat badly in bowls (one by a 1 loss FL team) can't be ignored. To compare strength of conference one can look at one striking set of numbers: In the 2007 season, bowls included, the Big 10 played 30 Top 25 teams and went 11-19. The SEC played 64 Top 25 teams and went 30-34. The SEC had as many wins over ranked teams as the Big 10 played, and then the comparative winning percentage speaks for itself too. And you're correct too about IL...and it's no surprise to me that Ron Zook came from the SEC and started recruiting to speed, and is giving the conference fits with the new look. If you want to look, I'd be willing to bet that you'd find that the SEC provides the NFL with it's speed, RBs, LBs, WRs, DBs. The Big 10 provides the big OLs and DLs and QBs. I could be wrong, and that's just speculation on my part. Of the Top 5 NFL player producing schools, 2 are SEC schools, and I don't think it's any coincidence that 2 others are in an SEC state (FL). A link: nullSEC Leads All Conferences in NFL Opening Day Rosters |
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Post by jm on Apr 28, 2008 7:09:49 GMT -6
The SEC plays better football, IMO. The Big 10 is a one-team league (Michigan, over the past 4-5 years, has been the ultimate pretender).
That said I also think the Big 10 has more popularity nationwide than the SEC because of the large number of alumni the conference churns-out on a yearly basis who then spread across the country creating a coast-to-coast following.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 28, 2008 7:57:03 GMT -6
Being a Buckeye...this may sound strange but: I honestly believe the only reason OSU jumped from 7th to 1st last year, and the reason LSU played them in the Super Dome, is money. No way was OSU a #1 team last year. Now the year before...alright...I can buy that. Played horrible against Florida and was clearly stuck in 2nd gear while Florida was in overdrive. Speed difference was painfully obvious and wasn't close. Home game for LSU = lots and lots of attendance. No team in the country travels like Ohio State. and lets face it, Louisiana needed the money. Now I don't know who else should have played in the game, but I think Georgia deserved a shot at it. I guess youve never seen a Nebraska "Away" game. Va Notre Dame we had 1/3 the stadium easily, announcers were flabergasted. Vs Southern Cal Pete Carroll had a "Red Day" called to negate the red in the stands ( NU still had well over 1/3). The 3 Kickoff Classics and all the Bowl Games are Red Filled. The only games ISU sells out is vs NU and it used to be the same for KSU, KU and CU.,filled with Red. 45 years of CONSECUTIVE home sell outs etc etc etc NU travels real well, the Bowls love em. Now if they can just win some games  |
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