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Post by carookie on Apr 16, 2008 22:24:50 GMT -6
Coaches who have coached at the Juco level how did you like it, and how did it compare to your HS experiences? What things about coaching at that level were you not expecting? Did or would you stay there, why?
thanks in advance
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Post by carson101 on Apr 17, 2008 0:04:12 GMT -6
I haven't had the chance to coach the Juco level, but I have been on the side lines and the coaches intensity is nutty meaning if the slightest thing is out of sync the coaches go ape putting it mildly. It is like a freakin banana being dangled in front of a cage. The expectations are very high for the players and I have seen kids rise above their ability to play at this level. It really seems to be more intense than a regular college game. Don't get me wrong the Juco level is very competitive.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 17, 2008 6:15:03 GMT -6
Most juco assistant position are VERY low paying with long hours for coaching and recruiting. Things are a little more intense (recruiting wise) as you only have them for 2 years instead of 4. The two main differences between HS and college coaching is the pay (HS more, college less!) and that in HS you teach and in college you recruit.
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 17, 2008 8:24:50 GMT -6
The two main differences between HS and college coaching is the pay (HS more, college less!) . you're not kidding  |
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Post by biggroff on Apr 19, 2008 15:20:26 GMT -6
This is my take on JUCO football
I am currently a JUCO defensive Coordinator and have coached high school football for 10 years. The quality of JUCO football is about 1AA. You have a mix of division 2, 1AA, and Division 1 athletes.
JUCO is such a different animal from High school. For the most part the players are a lot more serious and the quality of football is much higher BUT you have to deal with personality and character issues you may never have to deal with in high school. You also will not get the press coverage, fan support, or sense of community that you you have at the High school level. You will get to network with division 1 and 1AA coaches from all over the country. Also you will get to coach athletes that will play on TV on saturday afternoons and every once in a while you will coach a kid who will eventually play on Sunday afternoons. You also do not get to play on friday nights in JUCO which I still miss about the High school game.
The roster at the JUCO level is in constant flux. Most schools will start with some 50 to 80 freshman and you will be lucky to have a third of them back for their sophomore year. Academics, college life, lack of dicipline, or lack of playing time will thin out the heard very quickly. However the kids that stick around are usually extremely serious, work hard, and are very grateful for the second chance that JUCO offers. Those 30 or 35 that stick around for their sophomore year remind me of the 3 or 4 die hard football seniors I really loved to work with each year on the high school level.
I really enjoyed High school football and I enjoy JUCO football. I do not know if I can rate one against another due to the vast differences between the two.
I terms of pay that is a mixed bag. I personally hold a full time tenure track position where I coach. Thus my teaching load is about 40% of what it would be in high school with the other 60% focused on football. I get paid a little more than a high school teacher with the same experience. Our part time coaches get paid between $4000 to $6000 which is less than a High school stipend in the area but much more than the local NCAA division III programs in the area.
I know I am being paid much better than almost every Division 3 and Division 2 coach. I cannot say that about every coaching position. On average I would say that if you are a full time JUCO coach you can expect to be paid similar to a full time division 3 or division 2 assistant coach (which is not a lot). However I have heard of tenured JUCO coaches (mostly head coaches or coordinators) earning bewteen 65K to 120K for teaching and coaching football.
This is not true at every JUCO. Some JUCO's pay similar to Division 3 programs in terms of full time and part time assistants. Some JUCO's have coaching position that are packaged with teaching positions. Some JUCO positions are tenured teaching positions that pay very similar to High school. I feel I have a better deal in terms of pay as compared to a high school coach. I cannot say that about every JUCO coaching position.
Facilities are also a mixed bag. Certain areas of the country have worse facilities than high schools. Other areas are the equivalent to the best Division 3 college facilities.
I would tend to disagree with carson101 with the picture that JUCO coaches are constantly running around yelling insanely every game. JUCO coaches are just like any other level, you have insnae, off-the-wall intense coaches and very quiet, even-tempered coaches.
Just a little take on the word of JUCO football.
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