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Post by davecisar on Apr 11, 2008 10:31:06 GMT -6
NU announced on Tuesday the Spring "Game: is sold out, 65,000 paid and 17,000+ kids doing the "Drug Free Pledge". With 100+ recruits in attendance my guess that creates an understanding that fan support and full stadiums are probably going to be there for the duration  In DI football how much does Spring Practice determine starting positions? How about HS football for those that have it? NU moved a SENIOR to be RB to LB, (Cody Glenn). The kid was stuck in a logjam at RB and has NEVER played LB in HS. What are the chances of someone like this making the transition to LB in his Senior year ? He is getting reps with the top unit and has 2 picks and 1 fumble return in 7 practices etc. Can a very good athlete make that kind of transition in DI Big 12 Football? |
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Post by thamiam on Apr 11, 2008 10:58:44 GMT -6
In DI football how much does Spring Practice determine starting positions? This varies by program so much that you will probably get 117 answers. At Southern Cal (for example), it is very important because the majority of fall practice prior to 2 weeks before the first game is devoted to giving lots of reps to the newly arrived freshmen, and seeing where they can/will be used. This gives upper classmen less opportunity to make a move on the depth chart. The more traditional approach is that Spring is for fundamentals and repping the core plays, while Fall camp is the primary competition period for determining the depth chart. |
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Post by realdawg on Apr 11, 2008 11:06:25 GMT -6
For me in HS its a different situation. It is harder for a kids who doesnt come to our spring workouts to start, just because he is that much further behind on fundamentals. We start in the spring doing mostly fundamentals and very little installation. As the summer and preseason practice progresses we begin to work on fundamentals less and installation more. So someone who doesnt come in the spring is less likely to start simply b/c his skills will not be nearly as good.
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Post by airman on Apr 11, 2008 12:55:56 GMT -6
I read a article by bobby bowden and he said spring time was a time to move people around and try to find your starters on the oline. olines have a heard mentality. they need to work together to feel each other out so the longer they can work together the better of they are.
Personally, I think spring practice should be done away with. maybe a one week mini camp at best. kids should be working out and be going to school. I believe this is what football players at d1 are athlete students instead of student athletes.
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Post by tog on Apr 11, 2008 13:06:30 GMT -6
I love spring football
loved it when playing in college
love having it now
it's a good time to tinker and to see what kids can go where
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Post by davecisar on Apr 11, 2008 14:34:19 GMT -6
Can a DI Big 12 Player play LB as a Senior if he has never played LB before in HS or College only a RB?
Have many teams been able to make a move like that even if the player is a good athlete?
I know Stoops moved a bunch of kids into different sides of the ball when he took over for Blake at OU. But not sure how old some of those players were and if they played that new position in HS or not.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 11, 2008 14:52:36 GMT -6
NU announced on Tuesday the Spring "Game: is sold out, 65,000 paid and 17,000+ kids doing the "Drug Free Pledge". With 100+ recruits in attendance my guess that creates an understanding that fan support and full stadiums are probably going to be there for the duration In DI football how much does Spring Practice determine starting positions? How about HS football for those that have it? NU moved a SENIOR to be RB to LB, (Cody Glenn). The kid was stuck in a logjam at RB and has NEVER played LB in HS. What are the chances of someone like this making the transition to LB in his Senior year ? He is getting reps with the top unit and has 2 picks and 1 fumble return in 7 practices etc. Can a very good athlete make that kind of transition in DI Big 12 Football? Last spring, the University of Alabama had 92,000 at it's spring game, and had to turn people away. They're pumping it up again this year hoping to get close to that. Normal in recent years past pre Saban, I dont know...maybe 40K-50K? Auburn usually about 35K-40K give or take. In the south the Spring Game is for the fans...since for the most part we don't follow Basketball or other sports, college FB is king, and the spring game is your "football fix" in the offseason. In fact, in the south, there's "pre-season" (build up and prediction time ( June - Aug), Fall Camp season (August, where it really starts getting fired up), Football season (Sept - Jan at a fever pitch), Recruiting Season (Jan - Feb), Post recruting evaluation season (Feb - Apr. where everyone mouths off about their big signees), Spring Football (March - Apr.) where we talk about all the new guys stepping up, and how the veterans are going to get that much better. Any gaps in that calendar (primarily post football season and summer) are Arrests and team rules violations season.  I think spring and the depth chart depends on how many starters you got coming back vs how many positions are open for competition. Are you fine tuning the team for the next season with a bunch of returning talent, or looking to fill big holes left by graduation? Maybe you got a new offense or defense to install like Auburn on both sides. The "bammers" are pumping the "A-Day" game as a huge recruiting tool. |
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Post by burtledog on Apr 11, 2008 15:08:37 GMT -6
Moving the Sr. to LB. Clemson moved a QB to LB either Jr. or Sr. year. It was great. Did very well, became a good draft choice for San Diego. I don't remember exactly how he panned out in the NFL (Patrick Sapp I think), but he was a decent QB (recruited to be mainly an option guy but with size and an arm) and started a good bit. Bowden moved him to LB and he did great during the year or so he was there and then had an NFL career that he would never have had a ghost of a chance at as a QB.
It can work.
Greg
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Post by ramsoc on Apr 11, 2008 22:47:08 GMT -6
NU announced on Tuesday the Spring "Game: is sold out, 65,000 paid Who sells tickets to a Spring game? NU that hard up for cash that they need to have people pay to see the game. |
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Post by davecisar on Apr 12, 2008 5:13:08 GMT -6
NU announced on Tuesday the Spring "Game: is sold out, 65,000 paid Who sells tickets to a Spring game? NU that hard up for cash that they need to have people pay to see the game. Most Universities have such low interest levels (5-8,000) in attendance that there is no need to sell tickets, The last 5 years the average attendance has been about 70,000. If it was free no way you fit 100,000 people into a stadium that seats about 82,000. Thats why tickets are sold. |
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Post by poweriguy on Apr 12, 2008 21:40:28 GMT -6
I guess if you live Lincoln Nebraska, what else are you going to do?
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Post by brmurf on Apr 12, 2008 22:40:22 GMT -6
Alabama s game was free last year hence the sell out (although I would say it prob would a been anyway) and yes there isnt much to do in Lincoln and yes they love BIG RED
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Post by coachgreen05 on Apr 13, 2008 3:29:41 GMT -6
In DI football how much does Spring Practice determine starting positions? How about HS football for those that have it? In DI the spring game is used to determine what guys can translate what they learned on the practice field to a real game. Usually no coaches are telling them the play ,etc. Most of the time,thats where u find your "gamers"... For us its the same . We sit back and call plays with little coaching and see who stands out on film. |
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Post by davecisar on Apr 13, 2008 5:33:54 GMT -6
Well as of today and Im sure lots of things will change before their first game, that running back who has never played linebacker is in the lead to be the starting Will linebacker. That after just 9 practices.
I guess when your defense ranks #114 out of 119 teams there is some room. It will be interesting to see how much of an improvement the new crew can make in 1 season.
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Post by unc31 on Apr 13, 2008 11:05:29 GMT -6
Dave, I have coached at the D1 and 1AA levels and this is not uncommon. Many times the players who move are lesser knowns, but sometimes they are big timers. At that level it really comes down to speed, athleticism, strength and power and instinct. If a kid is timid, obviously it will not be be a smooth transition. Athletes are athletes and most are savvy in terms of angles, reaction, etc. So once they learn a few fundamentals and what they are reading....then it is just a matter of pulling the trigger..
If you think about it, a TB running zone is taught to read his key and then basically run to daylight. If no daylight cut back or bounce or whatever the scheme is for that play. A LB in a 4-3 defense is basically taught the same concept.....read flow, step to gap responsibility, if open hit it, if closed, then scrape. Both reactions are having the player find daylight. Same concepts...vision, reaction, hit it.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 13, 2008 17:09:20 GMT -6
UNC,
Makes sense. Amazing to me when so many coaches say it takes X amount of years to get it going at a place, yet this player not only didnt know the scheme, the had never played the position or even defense in HS ( a few snaps at DT). The paper today said after 11 practices he will be the the starter on the "Red" team on Saturday.
It's been said he has a great instinct for the ball by a bevy of coaches so looks like your premise holds water with this fella.
OK maybe it has something to do with the Defense being #114 of 119 teams, guess time will tell. I found it interesting. I believe Stoops did a lot of the same thing at OU his first year there.
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Post by revtaz on Apr 14, 2008 8:53:14 GMT -6
Guys a football player is a football player.
I am sure you all have had players that no matter where you put them they will excel.
If the guy is good football player and plays with instinct, teach the reads and see what he can do. Is he a nasty kid with a punch'em in the mouth mentality? Does that sound like a fullback or a LB? To me it sounds like both.
If you are weak in a position, find people that can play it. Warren Sapp was a TE in High school... Hall of Fame DT in the NFL.
Ray Lewis was a QB. Is a dominating LB.
Hines Ward was a QB. Is a great wide receiver.
They are just football players that can do well in any position.
ON the topic of spring ball, I wish we had it. NH stinks in that respect.
Taz
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Post by davecisar on Apr 14, 2008 12:33:50 GMT -6
I agree with you coach, I just didnt know if this applied to the complexity of DI football. I guess this concept flys in the face of the premise that the 8 year old youth kids should be running the same defense and offense as the Varsity 18 year olds I saw Sapp play in the OB, great feet for a fat man, would have loved to see him play TE< |
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Post by raiderpirates on Apr 14, 2008 14:20:12 GMT -6
Pats used LB at goal line for tight end and and fullback.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 14, 2008 14:22:44 GMT -6
Guys a football player is a football player. I am sure you all have had players that no matter where you put them they will excel. If the guy is good football player and plays with instinct, teach the reads and see what he can do. Is he a nasty kid with a punch'em in the mouth mentality? Does that sound like a fullback or a LB? To me it sounds like both. If you are weak in a position, find people that can play it. Warren Sapp was a TE in High school... Hall of Fame DT in the NFL. Ray Lewis was a QB. Is a dominating LB. Hines Ward was a QB. Is a great wide receiver. They are just football players that can do well in any position. ON the topic of spring ball, I wish we had it. NH stinks in that respect. Taz Taz, Agree completely with the premise of your post. In the SEC its common at some programs to put the speedsters on Def. And I think this transition is easier. Def is more about "want to" and mentality than anything. A good FB would likely make a good LB. Reggie Torbor, DE, NYG was a RB in HS. By the way, Hines Ward was a "slash" at UGA, but listed as a WR, and that was his primary position. But he saw playing time at QB, and RB too. |
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Post by davecisar on Apr 16, 2008 7:39:20 GMT -6
Update, A crowd of 82,000 is expected and tickets are now being offered by scalpers from $95 (general admission $8 seats) to $200 (club seats). To the naysayers, when a list goes out saying what to look for in your coaching search at the top of the list is fan/community support and coaching where football is "important"  Nice and unique recruting tool recruits walk on the field during warm ups and are on sidelines, over 100 of them. Get to see that a spring "scrimmage" here has more fans and support than most real College games do elsewhere LOL> Plus instead of bringing kids in when it's cold or in the middle of their football seasons (HS coaches HATE that), a much more relaxed scene. Seems like a descent strategy IF you have the crowd and atmoshere. Getting some of that out of the way. lessen the distractions and done with so as not to interfere with the HS season I think would be great for most HS coaches. |
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Post by pwaltz on Apr 18, 2008 7:42:06 GMT -6
I read this article about the Nebraska spring game. Whether your a fan or not, spring football gets those of us excited about the upcoming season regardless of what team it is. ENJOY!
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Best I can tell, spring games are enjoyed most at universities in Nebraska, Alabama, Ohio and perhaps Pennsylvania.
Oh, the Florida Gators do pretty well (60,000-plus fans) when the GameDay crew visits The Swamp.
On the other hand, Nebraska cornerback Anthony West has a friend who plays for the Miami Hurricanes.
“For their spring game, it’s nothing — they get hardly anybody (to come),” West said Wednesday.
Nebraska appears set to draw 80,000-plus Saturday.
“Nobody I talk to believes me,” said West, a native of San Diego. “This is something I think you have to see.”
Nebraska fans are absolutely insane, in a healthy way.
Sounds corny, but I think they’re determined to will their beloved program back into national prominence.
Not that I think they ever lost that determination. I just sense them turning it up a notch.
At any rate, it’s nice to see a united fan base again.
So, rejuvenated Big Red fans will stream into the big stadium Saturday hoping to see a defense that sends swarms of players to the football. New head coach Bo Pelini has been preaching such effort since he arrived in December.
You never know what might happen when several defenders swarm to the ball, West said. He said Pelini’s relatively uncomplicated defense allows for such swarming.
“It’s easy to pick up,” West said. “It puts you in position to make plays and use your athleticism, basically.”
Basically, I just want to see a Nebraska defense that doesn’t make me feel like I’m covering an arena game, as was the case much of last season.
I’m interested in seeing which Nebraska defenders take their games to drastically higher levels under Pelini. Who can forget Demorrio Williams in 2003?
I’m interested in seeing which players set the tone for Nebraska’s defense. I’m guessing it will be safeties Larry Asante and Rickey Thenarse. Or maybe linebackers Phillip Dillard and Cody Glenn.
Glenn’s move from I-back has been the most intriguing storyline of the spring season. He’s elicited high praise from coaches and teammates, and he certainly looked natural playing the position in the two full practices I saw. He’s pumped up the energy level, to be sure.
As for the offense, I’ll closely watch the running backs. It’s great to see Nebraska’s top two runners on separate teams — senior Marlon Lucky on the Reds, sophomore Roy Helu on the Whites.
Helu’s emergence was the second-most intriguing spring storyline.
But make no mistake, Lucky is the team’s most explosive threat on offense.
“It’s a tribute to Marlon that he doesn’t let the ego thing get to him,” new running backs coach Tim Beck said. “He’s ultimately the senior and he’s ultimately the guy who’s had a lot of success and the guy we’re going to ride. But I think he realizes we need those other guys (Helu, Quentin Castille and Marcus Mendoza), too. The more success they have, the more success Marlon’s going to have.”
Quarterback Joe Ganz obviously is capable of putting up gargantuan numbers, and he operates behind what should be Nebraska’s best line since at least 2001.
But will anybody among the wide receivers step up and produce big plays the way Maurice Purify did?
Nebraska fans can’t wait to find out.
“I think they’re going to see us go out and have a lot of fun Saturday,” senior left tackle Lydon Murtha said. “I know you might not be able to understand this all of the time, but football should be fun. These coaches have definitely brought back that aspect.
“They’re just so involved. And they’re so determined to make each of us a better athlete. As much as it’s about getting down to business, they also want to make sure we’re enjoying ourselves.
“That’s a huge aspect of playing football.”
That’s also a huge aspect of watching football, even a football scrimmage.
Yes, you can feel the momentum building.
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