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Post by dlsmith99320 on Feb 19, 2008 11:57:35 GMT -6
Ok Coaches opinions please
I have 2 and a half hour practices 4 days a week until school starts then 2 and a half and 3 days a week
We waste about 45 minutes it seems getting them lined up warmed up and running
is there a better way to warm the kids up without wasting time? Is running them necessary? Any drills or stretches that are better that you run with the kids? Ideas and explanations please
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Feb 19, 2008 12:11:47 GMT -6
Well the question remains does that stretch them out and condition them?
I think they are kids and in good shape allready because they have just finished baseball,spring basketball and we dont need to run them to get them warmed up I was curious of the other coaches thoughts and how they run practices I am sure I will be questioned as to my methods if we go right in to tackling and running drills
My ideas for this season since we are not bound by scholastic rules is to get them in helmets right after baseball ends
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Post by davecisar on Feb 19, 2008 12:18:41 GMT -6
No conditioning needed, 10 minutes max dynamic warm ups. Low intensity ot high intensity movements to increase temp and blood flow:
5 jumping jacks, high kness from stance low intensity- 10 yards, low intensity butt kickers 10 yards, 7 yard angle form/fit/freeze tackling. All done with 2 lines facing each other all at same time. Has been big reason why we execute so well, we dont waste practice time with stuff that isnt football related.
We have not set time out for conditioning in 8 seasons. We have very brisk pace during practice and condition why while we practice. No standing around, small groups, run plays down field 20 yards etc etc
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Post by brophy on Feb 19, 2008 12:21:06 GMT -6
what do you think of eliminating dynamic warmups?
Just like air raid works the mesh/noose-tuck as their warm up, couldn't you work handoff(mesh) exchange with backs and get-offs with linemen as a warmup?
I know you can find a ton of academic research that supports dynamic over static. I'm not sure you can backup (from medical studies) for the drill opener, although....do you really need it (to back up the methodology)?
As Dave points out, if your practices are high-intensity, you are conditioning them at the same time. Isn't that more efficient?
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Feb 19, 2008 12:48:48 GMT -6
Sounds like something I will try I like the ideas of getting them warmed up while actually doing something related to football. It just seems like everyone expects to line the kids up, do situps/push ups/jumping jacks, stretch out the legs and waste 45 minutes of practice time when we could throw, mesh drills, tackle drills and work the intensity that way. keeping thier interest in whats going on would be easier if we spent the time on throwing/tackling hand offs etc. thanks for the info guys.
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Post by davecisar on Feb 19, 2008 13:06:43 GMT -6
what do you think of eliminating dynamic warmups? Just like air raid works the mesh/noose-tuck as their warm up, couldn't you work handoff(mesh) exchange with backs and get-offs with linemen as a warmup? I know you can find a ton of academic research that supports dynamic over static. I'm not sure you can backup (from medical studies) for the drill opener, although....do you really need it (to back up the methodology)? As Dave points out, if your practices are high-intensity, you are conditioning them at the same time. Isn't that more efficient? My guess is as long as they are structured in a way where it starts with low intensity and goes to high intensity. We are kind of stuck on our angle fit/form/freeze tackling. What Steve suggests with the linemen/backs would work as well. Got to have something for all the kids to do. I do like competitions and games but hate static time wasting and dull conditioning. It's so easy to get it done within the context of practice or add fun components in. |
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Post by los on Feb 19, 2008 15:42:37 GMT -6
Sometimes we did the bare minimum dynamic warmups(just to help the clumsy kids with their coordination).......sometimes we didn't do anything....just started working on whatever.....didn't seem to make a nickels difference?......Most of this 12/13 and under crowd....can go from zero to feeding frenzy....with no warm ups at all....matter of fact...our practices were "much better" overall, when I stopped doing what "everyone" expected....forgot everything I was taught about warm-ups.....and started listening to the kids, lol! All I had to do was ask a couple of them....."What did you guys do in PE class today"?......if they worked hard and ran their tails off (as was often the case).....no warm-ups needed.....lets play football now.
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Post by brophy on Feb 22, 2008 8:30:02 GMT -6
given the low numbers of youth ball, what would be the practicallity to 'warming up' with rotating circuit work, ala
3 min - mesh exchange or settle & noose
3 min - speed ladder
(2 groups of 12-15 going through that work at a fast pace, then after 3-5 min, switching groups)
I am not big on doing agiles and stuff at Fresh-Varsity (that is what the off-season is), but seeing how you don't have the kids for very long, could you justify using the time to improve the overall athlete (coordination), while warming them up for immediate competition?
maybe this is a bad idea....
Maybe this is nothing to do with "conditioning", which is another topic altogether ('conditioning' during practice time is inefficient).
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Feb 22, 2008 19:00:42 GMT -6
No actually it all helps what I was trying to verify was mainly to make me feel like I am not a idiot for having them quit lineing up in pretty lines and spell out our mascots name while they waste 45 minutes doing jumping jacks next season...and leg lifts push ups and other sorts..but I am also just a assistant coach not the main cheese in charge I was thinking that lining up and running plays and drills would be a better application of our practice time to actually spend all practice on running what we do..
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Post by los on Feb 22, 2008 22:54:02 GMT -6
Thats all good stuff for kids Broph.......anything that helps with their athleticism/coordination are great warm-up/conditioning drills.....nearly every season I coached youth ball....I was usually the only "adult" at practice.....sooo...we did "everything" together.....we had no line drills...running back drills...DB drills...etc... just drills and agilitys that everyone did as a team....the trick was finding things that had a fairly continuous moving line..... to keep from wasting the kids time, standing around...... and stuff that would benefit the entire group (football training wise) But yeah dl...I'll admit it....I did the pretty lines and exercise thing early in my youth coaching stint.....cause thats what we did...so it must be right huh?....but after a season or two.....that stuff went bye bye....never to be used again, lol!  |
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Post by falconscoach on May 7, 2008 3:58:17 GMT -6
Have your players come into the season doing the exersise's on their own at home. You have to remember most of the players are outside running around all day because they are out of school. The ones that you need to worry about are the ones that stay in all day playong on their X-BOx and Playstations. They are the ones that are goning to need your help the most getting into shape.
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Post by bulldogoption on May 7, 2008 6:02:21 GMT -6
is there a better way to warm the kids up without wasting time? [glow=red,2,300]YES[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]NO[/glow] Coach---- Do some little things at the beginning of practice that are important to your offense/defense/special teams that you can't seem to fit into the bigger practice. Spend every minute you have doing football related stuff. Do football stuff to get them warmed up. Not high intensity things like tackling and blocking. Start low and build up. Dynamic warm ups are on the move and finish in a crescendo ready to hit the high intensity stuff. Maybe first you work on stance and alignment. Then some short pass patterns. Then you run thru some plays on air. Then you field kicks or punts. Then some longer pass patterns. Then into your regular practice stuff that is high intensity involving blocking and tackling. You fill in the stuff you need to do here. You don't need to line them up and do the old stand by warmups. Kill two (or more) birds with one stone. Football stuff, warming up, fun, etc. Good Luck One more thing.....If you, or the head cheese, are intent on "running them" then make the running applicable. In other words, practice your lanes on kick cover to run sprints. Practice your lanes on punt cover. Practice your kick return, etc. Spend your time on football stuff. |
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Post by tedseay on May 26, 2008 6:00:15 GMT -6
Spend your time on football stuff. Coach: I completely agree -- but to my mind, using a set (short) period right near the end of practice for team building/mental and emotional toughness training/conditioning can pay big benefits, too: www.gregorydoublewing.com/Enduro_demo_4th_DWS.pdfDocument password: enduro |
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Post by davecisar on May 26, 2008 7:35:50 GMT -6
Thats all good stuff for kids Broph.......anything that helps with their athleticism/coordination are great warm-up/conditioning drills.....nearly every season I coached youth ball....I was usually the only "adult" at practice.....sooo...we did "everything" together.....we had no line drills...running back drills...DB drills...etc... just drills and agilitys that everyone did as a team....the trick was finding things that had a fairly continuous moving line..... to keep from wasting the kids time, standing around...... and stuff that would benefit the entire group (football training wise) But yeah dl...I'll admit it....I did the pretty lines and exercise thing early in my youth coaching stint.....cause thats what we did...so it must be right huh?....but after a season or two.....that stuff went bye bye....never to be used again, lol! Just 1 real coach? No wonder your experience is so much different than most of us here. In our league most teams have from 5-9 coaches, they actually made up a new rule last year limiting you to 5 coaches on the sidelines. At the clinic I did this weekend in Salt Lake City, they have 5 coahes to each team and nearly every team had waitting lists of coaches. One club within that league had 240 coaches ! I couldnt imagine anyone could get al the kids playing to potential with just 1 coach. I did it the first year I started my org and felt the kids were really shortchanged, |
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Post by los on May 26, 2008 9:03:54 GMT -6
Yep.....told you this was a very rural, low population area ....ha ha.....our HS teams don't have 5-9 coach's on the staff, lol.....also....youth football season starts at the same time as "peanut harvest season" here.....so any guys in the ag. related field(which is a bunch of the adult male population).....can't participate.......it was common for most of our teams, to have 1 maybe 2 guys, that showed up for every practice and game....a few dads would hang out and watch, but didn't come to practice often enough, to train them or give them a meaningful job......not an excuse....just the way it is here.....they have a much more active youth baseball/softball program, as far as adult participation.....after planting time in the spring....things slow down a bit(farming wise) and these guys/gals will coach baseball/softball.....so yeah Dave....it was challenging.....we kept things "very simple".....and the kids probably "were" short changed in some areas.....but....after all was said and done, and they moved on to jr. high school ball.....at least they knew the "basic's" and most of them had a "fun experience" in youth football.....cause I see a lot of them around town still.....in their 20's and 30's now.....and they still talk about it fondly, lol......Thats good enough for me |
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Post by davecisar on May 27, 2008 6:54:39 GMT -6
We are in a very rural low population area as well with harvest in the fall etc, where I coach now we play against 70% "rural" communities. There always seem to be some acreage guys or a few that live in "town" ( 1 bar, 1 gas station, post office, small grocery store, bank, 1 restaurant) to more than fill us out. They even came up with a rule this year for our league, you have to designate 5 coaches, no more than that are allowed on the sidelines. The rule was put in place because so many of the teams have 6-9 cioaches.
In doing all these clinics all over the counttry and listening to the views/experiences of lots of youth coaches it appears there is no problem getting youth football coaches where "football is important" in the area and where football is important in that specific community. In those areas you often have people waiting in line to coach. In areas where it isnt, you have shortages, some very severe.
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Post by los on May 27, 2008 8:31:14 GMT -6
I think you're probably right about that Dave.....while football "was very important" to all of us involved......ehhh.....maybe not one of the top 3 in the "general population".....I think here it ranks....#4 maybe #5?......#1.- hunting and fishing......then in some order = basketball, baseball/softball, track, football?.....They actually "only started" playing football here in the schools, in the early to mid 70's.....so you're right......with most of the older adults , there's "no" football tradition......because of the low numbers, they played other sports, had other interests....(being a transplanted semi-yankee/service brat).....places I lived,(before moving down here in the late 70's) had very strong football traditions, where kids played on organized teams, from an early age......the local schools had strong football traditions.....that being said.....football traditions have become "stronger" over the last 3-4 decades here |
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Post by davecisar on May 27, 2008 18:28:25 GMT -6
Every area is different. When I moved where I live now, 4 years ago, I had NO IDEA hunting was so big. The local HS has a trap range on campus and were State Champions this year. I scheduled a Bowl GAme thing in Kansas City on the first weekend of deer season, I was nearly lynched and several kids didnt show- for an undefeated 11-0 team  One coach showed up in full cammo gear the last practice before our trip  Football however is now King here and is so in most of this state by HUGE margins. |
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