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Post by de58 on Feb 5, 2008 9:18:59 GMT -6
There is a thread "Are trick plays ethcical?"
I think they are as long as they are legal, so if you have a trick play you use, let it be known here.
For us:
We line up in a Power I formation. The QB lets everyone get set, and then he looks at the coach and says, I forgot the play. He runs to the sideline, and when the coach takes off his hat, the TB says "go" and the QB takes off down the field and TB hits him in stride.
It you can't use it more than once on a team. It is a good one to save to the championship game.
We don't use trick plays much considering we have lost 3 games in five years.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 5, 2008 11:42:03 GMT -6
I'm not a youth coach, and I respect what you guys do, but I don't agree with running trick plays at that level.
First off, you are playing on the minds of 8-10 yr olds- I can't really see the satisfaction in tricking them...
Now reverses, toss pass flea-flickers etc...are not trick/gimmick plays to me- they are compliments to your system. They take advantage of players post-snap who are out of position or overly aggressive. Good stuff here.
The "hey coach I forgot the play" walking to the sideline crap and the "run the whole offense off the field except for one that stands near the sideline and gets the ball thrown to him..." plays are bull$hit and should avoided.
I hope that our youth leagues would focus solely on fundamentals- that would help us tremendously at the varsity level.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 5, 2008 13:47:43 GMT -6
I forgot to add that I by no means am putting you down if you do this stuff- I just think it's shiesty- one teams' enjoyment gained from doing this is not worth the embarrassment for the other team...
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Post by davecisar on Feb 5, 2008 14:15:23 GMT -6
In my mind trick plays are flea flickers, wall returns, bunch returns etc, we run those.
Im not a fan of the "where's the tee" type stuff at all.
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Post by coachdoug on Feb 5, 2008 14:41:04 GMT -6
There is a thread "Are trick plays ethcical?" I think they are as long as they are legal, so if you have a trick play you use, let it be known here. For us: We line up in a Power I formation. The QB lets everyone get set, and then he looks at the coach and says, I forgot the play. He runs to the sideline, and when the coach takes off his hat, the TB says "go" and the QB takes off down the field and TB hits him in stride. It you can't use it more than once on a team. It is a good one to save to the championship game. We don't use trick plays much considering we have lost 3 games in five years. If you really mean it when you say "as long as they are legal" you will stop using this play. Rule 9-6-4-e states that "It is illegal participation: ... To use a player, replaced player or substitute in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponenents at or immediately before the snap or free kick." Furthermore, rule 9-9-3 states "Neither team shall commit any act which, in the opinion of the referee, tends to make a travesty of the game." While that doesn't directly address your play, I believe that every rules board that has reveiwed these types of plays where players act as if they are leaving the field, has determined them to be illegal. In fact, I believe the case book adds something like this to its comments about rule 9-9-3: "Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn't imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal." If you don't believe me, go ask about it in the "Rules of the Game" section above. There are several professional refs that post in that section and they'll let you know for sure if your play is legal or not. Having said that, I am a big believer in gadget plays, as they can create an opportunity for a big play. Also, the kids love them, so it helps keep them engaged. Here are a few that I have used successfully over the years: - Halfback option pass. Pretty basic, but still very effective. - Double Pass. Throw a quick WR screen (the first pass has to be backwards), then he throws downfield to another receiver. This is much more effective if you have thrown a few WR screens effectively first. - Hook & Ladder. Obviously, you have to complete the hook first, then the trailer has to maintain enough spacing (5-7 yards). If you can do that, it is highly effective. Best used in very long yardage situations or right before end of half or end of game when the defensive is likely to allow you to complete a short hook in front of them. - Reverses/Double Reverses. These often backfire against disciplned, well-coached teams, so use with caution. - Reverse Pass. Can be extremely effective. - Roll Right, Screen Left. Not really a gadget play at all, but the most effective mis-direction play I've ever used. It scores a TD about half the times we run it. You have to run a few successful rollouts first. At the youth level, the entire defense will flow to the rollout, then I get my best athlete the ball on the other side of the field with 3 lead blockers. Even if one or two of the CB, S, Will, or DE read the play, the blockers just have to get in their way.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2008 16:33:08 GMT -6
There is a thread "Are trick plays ethcical?" I think they are as long as they are legal, so if you have a trick play you use, let it be known here. For us: We line up in a Power I formation. The QB lets everyone get set, and then he looks at the coach and says, I forgot the play. He runs to the sideline, and when the coach takes off his hat, the TB says "go" and the QB takes off down the field and TB hits him in stride. It you can't use it more than once on a team. It is a good one to save to the championship game. We don't use trick plays much considering we have lost 3 games in five years. What I find more incredulous is that you apparently read the "ethical" thread, which contains posts that CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHY THE ABOVE PLAY IS ILLEGAL...and then you go post it on the "I like trick plays, i use this one" thread that you started. One can only hope you didn't bother to read the other thread closely...as that could be the ONLY reason for this event.
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Post by de58 on Feb 5, 2008 21:40:53 GMT -6
You are all blowing this out of proportion.
Kids love this type of stuff. Maybe coaches in your league are very uptight, but nothing is ever said about this in ours.
Our kids are taught fundamentals extensively. Like I said, we have lost three games in five years. We don't run up the score on people. We usually play our subs the entire second half.
My team and coaching staff is very ethical. We just like to have fun. If I thought anything I did would embarass a kid, I would never do it.
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Post by de58 on Feb 5, 2008 21:45:11 GMT -6
There is a thread "Are trick plays ethcical?" I think they are as long as they are legal, so if you have a trick play you use, let it be known here. For us: We line up in a Power I formation. The QB lets everyone get set, and then he looks at the coach and says, I forgot the play. He runs to the sideline, and when the coach takes off his hat, the TB says "go" and the QB takes off down the field and TB hits him in stride. It you can't use it more than once on a team. It is a good one to save to the championship game. We don't use trick plays much considering we have lost 3 games in five years. If you really mean it when you say "as long as they are legal" you will stop using this play. Rule 9-6-4-e states that "It is illegal participation: ... To use a player, replaced player or substitute in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponenents at or immediately before the snap or free kick." Furthermore, rule 9-9-3 states "Neither team shall commit any act which, in the opinion of the referee, tends to make a travesty of the game." While that doesn't directly address your play, I believe that every rules board that has reveiwed these types of plays where players act as if they are leaving the field, has determined them to be illegal. In fact, I believe the case book adds something like this to its comments about rule 9-9-3: "Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn't imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal." If you don't believe me, go ask about it in the "Rules of the Game" section above. There are several professional refs that post in that section and they'll let you know for sure if your play is legal or not. Having said that, I am a big believer in gadget plays, as they can create an opportunity for a big play. Also, the kids love them, so it helps keep them engaged. Here are a few that I have used successfully over the years: - Halfback option pass. Pretty basic, but still very effective. - Double Pass. Throw a quick WR screen (the first pass has to be backwards), then he throws downfield to another receiver. This is much more effective if you have thrown a few WR screens effectively first. - Hook & Ladder. Obviously, you have to complete the hook first, then the trailer has to maintain enough spacing (5-7 yards). If you can do that, it is highly effective. Best used in very long yardage situations or right before end of half or end of game when the defensive is likely to allow you to complete a short hook in front of them. - Reverses/Double Reverses. These often backfire against disciplned, well-coached teams, so use with caution. - Reverse Pass. Can be extremely effective. - Roll Right, Screen Left. Not really a gadget play at all, but the most effective mis-direction play I've ever used. It scores a TD about half the times we run it. You have to run a few successful rollouts first. At the youth level, the entire defense will flow to the rollout, then I get my best athlete the ball on the other side of the field with 3 lead blockers. Even if one or two of the CB, S, Will, or DE read the play, the blockers just have to get in their way. So, the play we run is illegal? That is something I don't want. Thank you for at least being logical, though. The kids beg to do this type of stuff, and that, ultimately, is why we do it.
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Post by davecisar on Feb 6, 2008 7:49:31 GMT -6
Coach,
That pay has been bantereed around here forever and yes it is very illegal, coming from every ref on this board. If you refs didnt catch it, they arent very good refs, The ones in our state have a case book that this play is definitely a part of, it's a 15 yard flag and some huge frowns from refs if you did it here.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 6, 2008 10:47:56 GMT -6
You are all blowing this out of proportion. Kids love this type of stuff. Maybe coaches in your league are very uptight, but nothing is ever said about this in ours. Our kids are taught fundamentals extensively. Like I said, we have lost three games in five years. We don't run up the score on people. We usually play our subs the entire second half. My team and coaching staff is very ethical. We just like to have fun. If I thought anything I did would embarass a kid, I would never do it. That's good fundamentals are stressed. IMO trick plays are fun to practice and run, but at the expense of the other kids. To me it's not worth it- I wouldn't want to "turn off" any potential future players on that other team or teach them that trickery is ok. It's not ok- You're not wrong or evil for doing so, but it's not needed. I think it's embarrassing enough for a kid to get beat- hell you have to coach the kids not to blow a gasket when something doesn't go their way! Tricking them just adds salt to the wound. Do what you want though dude. This is just my philosophy.
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Post by de58 on Feb 6, 2008 11:07:24 GMT -6
I think you guys are right. The refs here have never said anything about trick plays. But, if they are illegal, I won't do them.
However, our entire offense is based on trickery, if you will. We run a Wing-T with lots of misdirection.
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Post by davecisar on Feb 6, 2008 11:33:43 GMT -6
Coach, a buck sweep isnt the same as the play you mentioned, apples and oranges.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 6, 2008 12:03:00 GMT -6
de58--I don't think you are doing yourself a service by using the broad term "trick plays" Without rehashing this whole thing, there is a distinct difference between doing things "pre snap" such as the "wrong ball, where's the tee, what's the play, hidden man" plays...and "post snap" like double pass, flea flicker, statue of liberty, hook and lateral, properly executed "hidden ball" type trick (similar to fumblerooskie, but ball is legally snapped to an upback hidden by the OL) etc. There is a distinct difference between the deception inherent in a Sally play, and the deception created by causing the opponent to think a snap is not about to happen. .
With regards to youth ball and trick plays, I think much of the dissent towards trick plays lies in that (and this is just my opinion, so please dave and doug correct me if your vaster experience is different) there is a HUGE discrepancy between youth teams/coaching.
Generally, the teams that can properly coach a team to execute a trick play USUALLY DON'T "NEED" that play, as they are generally on the winning side. I can see where that is frustrating to opponents who are (according to the percentages) either ALWAYS getting beat, or usually competitive against the weaker teams and are not taking their whipping against a solid team very well.
Does this mean that I personally the teams that have their act together shouldn't run one of those post snap trick plays? Of course not, I am just trying to illuminate where some of the "anti trick play" feelings come from.
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Post by davecisar on Feb 6, 2008 12:56:06 GMT -6
de58--I don't think you are doing yourself a service by using the broad term "trick plays" Without rehashing this whole thing, there is a distinct difference between doing things "pre snap" such as the "wrong ball, where's the tee, what's the play, hidden man" plays...and "post snap" like double pass, flea flicker, statue of liberty, hook and lateral, properly executed "hidden ball" type trick (similar to fumblerooskie, but ball is legally snapped to an upback hidden by the OL) etc. There is a distinct difference between the deception inherent in a Sally play, and the deception created by causing the opponent to think a snap is not about to happen. . With regards to youth ball and trick plays, I think much of the dissent towards trick plays lies in that (and this is just my opinion, so please dave and doug correct me if your vaster experience is different) there is a HUGE discrepancy between youth teams/coaching. Generally, the teams that can properly coach a team to execute a trick play USUALLY DON'T "NEED" that play, as they are generally on the winning side. I can see where that is frustrating to opponents who are (according to the percentages) either ALWAYS getting beat, or usually competitive against the weaker teams and are not taking their whipping against a solid team very well. Does this mean that I personally the teams that have their act together shouldn't run one of those post snap trick plays? Of course not, I am just trying to illuminate where some of the "anti trick play" feelings come from. Im 100% in aggreement with that.
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Post by de58 on Feb 6, 2008 22:02:21 GMT -6
de58--I don't think you are doing yourself a service by using the broad term "trick plays" Without rehashing this whole thing, there is a distinct difference between doing things "pre snap" such as the "wrong ball, where's the tee, what's the play, hidden man" plays...and "post snap" like double pass, flea flicker, statue of liberty, hook and lateral, properly executed "hidden ball" type trick (similar to fumblerooskie, but ball is legally snapped to an upback hidden by the OL) etc. There is a distinct difference between the deception inherent in a Sally play, and the deception created by causing the opponent to think a snap is not about to happen. . With regards to youth ball and trick plays, I think much of the dissent towards trick plays lies in that (and this is just my opinion, so please dave and doug correct me if your vaster experience is different) there is a HUGE discrepancy between youth teams/coaching. Generally, the teams that can properly coach a team to execute a trick play USUALLY DON'T "NEED" that play, as they are generally on the winning side. I can see where that is frustrating to opponents who are (according to the percentages) either ALWAYS getting beat, or usually competitive against the weaker teams and are not taking their whipping against a solid team very well. Does this mean that I personally the teams that have their act together shouldn't run one of those post snap trick plays? Of course not, I am just trying to illuminate where some of the "anti trick play" feelings come from. Im 100% in aggreement with that. And I do as well. I'm not too stubborn to admit when I need to "rethink" something.
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Post by stx on Feb 7, 2008 7:53:53 GMT -6
So putting a QB in motion, without saying any words (but putting his hands up in the air), and then throwing to him is illegal?
Hm, I guess the Browns pulled one similarly out of their behind then on that two point conversion they did this past year...no penalty.
Coach Romeo Crennel OK'd a trick play as the Browns went for two points. With Cribbs in the backfield, Anderson moved away from center to feign giving Edwards some instruction. Hank Fraley snapped to Cribbs, who faked a run, then lofted an easy pass to Winslow.
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Post by bhb on Feb 7, 2008 8:33:10 GMT -6
you do realize that the NFL plays under a totally different set of rules than every youth league in the country, don't you?.. But hey, didn't the Colts get called for trying some of that school yard BS a few years ago?.. I could be wrong, but for some reason I seem to remember it..
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Post by stx on Feb 7, 2008 8:39:10 GMT -6
Yes, but most deception rules are generally the same...
Plus, as far as I am concerned the QB is a back who is eligible to go in motion and catch a pass just like any other back.
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Post by bhb on Feb 7, 2008 10:42:01 GMT -6
No problem man- it's your team, you coach em how you want.. Having your QB walk towards his sideline throwing his hands up in the air, and pretending that he's going over to talk to the coach is illegal if the referee feels he did something to make the defense believe that a snap was not imminent.. If the referee doesn't feel like he did anything to make the defense feel that way, then it isn't illegal- it's as simple as that, which unfortunately isn't very simple, but that's the way it is.. I wouldn't run anything like that, but that doesn't mean anything (who the heck am I), guys in youth leagues try it every year- some get away with it, some don't.. Bottom line is as a Coach there's no sense getting upset over it- just prepare your team to stop it if someone tries to use it on you.. I'll be honest with you and tell you that years ago another 'coach' got my group of boys on it and I learned a valuable lesson that day about youth sports.. I can tell you that it's highly unlikely that I'll let my kids down like that again- it's possible, but not very likely.. That stuffs not particularly difficult to stop- as we all know- so if a coach wants to leave his kid exposed to a big hit I feel bad for the kid.. Hopefully that won't happen, and I don't Coach my boys light him up- but we all know other guys do.. It just seems silly to me, but to each his own, I'm not out to save the world.. I'm just in it to spend some quality time with some cool kids, teach (and learn) a little football, and maybe every once in awhile watch the kids faces as they walk off with a trophy that's bigger than they are at the end of the season..
I'll never understand why guys seem to believe that the "deception" that comes from fooling a kid BEFORE the ball was snapped into believing a play wasn't going to happen, is the same as the "deception" that comes from a perfectly executed counter in which all of the backs were faking so good that they got tackled (the ones that didn't have the ball that is-LOL) ,and the linemen were pancaking kids because they knew their assignments and techniques so well that they could do it with out even thinking about it.. But every time someone pulls that "wrong ball" play off they hoot and holler real loud and let everyone know how proud they were to trick those little kids..I don't know, I'll stick with the deception that comes from 11 kids executing their assignments as well as they could AFTER the snap- but that's just me.. Like I said, everyone's free to coach em up as they please..
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 7, 2008 10:50:40 GMT -6
I'll never understand why guys seem to believe that the "deception" that comes from fooling a kid BEFORE the ball was snapped into believing a play wasn't going to happen, is the same as the "deception" that comes from a perfectly executed counter in which all of the backs were faking so good that they got tackled, and the linemen were pancaking kids because they knew their assignments and techniques so well that they could do it with out even thinking about it.. But every time someone pulls that "wrong ball" play off they hoot and holler real loud and let everyone know how proud they were to trick those little kids..I don't know, I'll stick with the deception that comes from 11 kids executing their assignments as well as they could AFTER the snap- but that's just me.. Like I said, everyone's free to coach em up as they please..[/quote Well said. I don't see the pleasure in (or accomplishment in for that matter) pulling off a presnap deception against kids. "WHOOOWHOOOO look at me, COACH GENIUS, outsmarting 11 year olds. IT'S MILLER TIME. " Same thing with the "genius" coaches who are fortunate enough to have the best player on the field, and proceed to show everyone play after play after play...as he scores 5,6,7 times on long runs.
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Post by bhb on Feb 7, 2008 11:19:48 GMT -6
LOL- well, as I read it again, I don't know if it was "well said", it seems kind of clunky, but if you understood what I was attempting to say that's good enough...LOL..
some of the things that go on in youth sports really is embarrassing.. It's a shame because there really are some outstanding youth Coaches- guys who reach into their own pockets ALL the time to go to clinics, and buy videos, and equipment, and sometimes they get overshadowed in the lunacy that is youth sports anymore.. I'm not referring to the guys posting in this thread- if people are in here, in February, trying to get better, they're NOT the lunatics- the looney tunes come out August 1st, and they've got all the answers..LOL
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Post by stx on Feb 7, 2008 11:55:28 GMT -6
LOL- well, as I read it again, I don't know if it was "well said", it seems kind of clunky, but if you understood what I was attempting to say that's good enough...LOL.. some of the things that go on in youth sports really is embarrassing.. It's a shame because there really are some outstanding youth Coaches- guys who reach into their own pockets ALL the time to go to clinics, and buy videos, and equipment, and sometimes they get overshadowed in the lunacy that is youth sports anymore.. I'm not referring to the guys posting in this thread- if people are in here, in February, trying to get better, they're NOT the lunatics- the looney tunes come out August 1st, and they've got all the answers..LOL Right, but let me get this straight. You are saying that putting a QB in motion is deceptive and provides a scenario that presents the ball will not be snapped, right? That's crazy man. Perhaps teaching your kids to read the ball instead of who is going in motion would relieve any problems you have, not saying that you don't but that would help your team out tremendously. When everyone is set, the QB has just as much of a right to go in motion as the slot or backs have. Every play (unless you run an 8+ man line or crazy WR formation) there are at most six eligible players on offense. Like I said, to throw a pass to kid lined up in the QB spot is no different than throwing to x, y, z, etc...it is NOT the offense's fault if they exploit a weakness in the fact the defense will not cover the QB going in motion. Based on your logic, some plays out of the singlewing are completely illegal. Deception revolves around primarily that wrong-ball play. Yes, that is wrong and should not be ran. Putting a QB in motion and have him yell out audibles to a WR and then direct snapping it to an HB and hitting the QB on a screen and scoring a 70 yard TD is completely fine and normal. If you are like everyone else and do NOT teach your kids to watch the QB and you see a QB go in motion, call a T.O. and make an adjustment. What I am trying to say is that putting a QB in motion is NOT deceptive in any way.
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Post by coachdoug on Feb 7, 2008 12:21:54 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is saying that the QB can't go in motion or that he's not an eligible receiver. The only thing that anyone has a problem with is the "wrong ball" type plays where the QB runs to the sideline as if to talk to his coach, leading everyone to believe that a snap is not imminent.
If a QB "goes in motion" by stepping a few feet away from center to bark signals at a receiver and the center snaps directly to another back, I guess that falls in a bit of a gray area. I, personally, would not have a problem with it. As far as I'm concerned, a snap was still always imminent, albeit perhaps not expected as soon as it came. It ends up being at the official's discretion, so I would at least check with the officials before I tried running a play like that. Like I said, though, it's fine by me.
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Post by bhb on Feb 7, 2008 12:32:40 GMT -6
<"Right, but let me get this straight. You are saying that putting a QB in motion is deceptive and provides a scenario that presents the ball will not be snapped, right? ">
<sigh>-No, that's not what I said- so the rest of your post really is irrelevant, so I won't even comment on it... What I said is if you have your QB start walking to his sideline, waving his arms as if there's something wrong and he's going to talk it over with the coach- AND THE REFEREE FEELS THIS WAS DONE TO MAKE THE DEFENSE FEEL THAT A SNAP WAS NOT IMMINENT- this is illegal... If the ref doesn't feel that your QB made it seem a snap was NOT imminent than it isn't a penalty.. Basically what I said was it was up to the referee's opinion whether or not it was a penalty..
Hey man, like I said, you coach you're team however you want- it's all good.. I've got no time nor desire to get into a flame war on a message board..LOL..
That's the rule- Coach Doug quoted it for everyone in a post either earlier in this thread or the other trick play one.. He gave everyone the rule # and everything.. That's not someone's philosophy, or logic, or anything else you want to call it- it's just the rule.. However you want to interpret it is up to you.. No skin off my back.. I won't run something like that for my reasons, and I make sure it won't get run on me (again), and I'm all good..
By the way- don't even try comparing something like that to the SW.. I ran SW for three seasons (mixture of Caldwell, & Keuffel) not even close my brother... One is one of the greatest offenses the game has ever seen and the basis for much of what we still see today, and the other is, well, not..LOL..;-)
I've said my peace bro, now I'll just move along.. It's all goood..
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 7, 2008 13:50:38 GMT -6
So putting a QB in motion, without saying any words (but putting his hands up in the air), and then throwing to him is illegal? Why does he need to put his hands in the air? Is he "in motion" like the other receivers on that team go in motion?
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Post by los on Feb 10, 2008 16:34:02 GMT -6
Theres really nothing that tricky or illegal about the QB going in motion...any backs can go in motion..... we used it, when in the offset-I...had a few rules we had to follow....QB could get behind the center...up close....but couldn't touch him, had to have his hands on his knees....could even bark out "shift" or "set", something along those lines,as he went....just couldn't be part of the normal snap count......we had a small series of plays out of this, including a quick punt...as it was a direct snap to the taliback. Bout the only tricky thing that ever happened (besides the punt).....was some d-lineman jumping offsides by not watching the ball, giving us a cheap 5 yds.
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Post by coachrdg on Jun 19, 2008 0:27:48 GMT -6
If there is one thing I stress to my defensive linemen it's watch the ball and when it comes off the ground ATTACK. In 3 years of coaching I've had two trick plays ran on me (oddly both were the "wrong ball coach" play) and even my 5-6 year old team in Biloxi absolutely knocked those O-linemen casually standing with their hands on their knees on their butts and disrupted the play. In both cases I watched several parents immediately start hounding their coach for trying to run the play. I'm not a fan of trick plays but honestly I don't mind seeing them ran against my team because honestly I feel my guys are focused enough to handle it. If and when we get caught sleeping we will learn from it and move on.
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