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Post by brophy on Jun 25, 2007 9:22:53 GMT -6
what is the best way to deal with "THAT" guy in youth ball. The guy that vicariously lives in the past. The parent or even COACH who you have to deal with that is alway going on about "Well, I'll tell you what WE used to do back in tha day...."
"I remember this one time.......and then coach wouldn't let us git any water...."
"Boy, what the hell is wrong with you? You should go play with some dolls 'r something..."
"I was the baddest, meanest SOB on the field when I played...."
"Just block somebody!"
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Post by davecisar on Jun 25, 2007 13:39:48 GMT -6
I require all parents and coaches to sign a contract in order to play in my Org. Before the first practice 30 minutes of a mandatory parents meeting. At that time we spell our our no nonsense expectations of parents and players and our goals and base approach and review the contract. If they don't "get it" I have slips of paper in my pocket with the names and phone numbers of orgs they can play with that have lower standards. I offer that at the end of the 30 minutes and always carry them in my pocket the first 2 weeks of practice.
As to coaches, I do in depth interviews, none of them would make it to the practice field asking those kinds of questions or making those kind of comments. They sign a very restrictive contract and are required to attend 2 days of coaches clinics, I personally teach where our no nonsense approach is very blatantly put out for all to see. Our "horror stories" session of bad coaching observations cover most of those points, If someone is like that Im pretty sure these examples hit very close to home. Have had virtually zero problems like that in 15 years of doing this, it is all about setting expectations and holding everyone accountable.
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Post by triploption on Jun 25, 2007 14:21:18 GMT -6
I agree with Dave......in my parents letter after myself and the parents have gone over everything, I make them sign it. This way during the season, if they should step out of line they cannot claim that you never discussed it in the parents meeting, because you have their signature.....works great.
I also agree with Dave in regards to the interviewing of the coaches. I would not dream of letting a coach onto the foeld without first meeting with him and asking many questions, and give him scenarios, and see how he would handle them. Then I want to find out just how much he knows about the game, and of course we do a background check as well.
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Post by brophy on Jun 25, 2007 14:58:32 GMT -6
okay great....the interviews happen...the contract is signed....
now what happens when it DOES happen?
Just asking
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jun 25, 2007 15:53:58 GMT -6
Would anyone be willing to share any of those contracts for players, parents or coaches?
My way of thinking would be for a parent or coach once the contract is signed and you break it...see ya' kids could get a break. I don't like "that guy" parent and they DO NOT change.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 25, 2007 16:56:22 GMT -6
It flat out never happens to me, in 15 years not a single time to my own personal teams. Thanks to the contract, the speech and the importance I put on it, I will not deviate from discussing just a few very narrowly defined pre determined topics with parents. That included teams directly accross the street from Omahas poorest, largest and most violent housing projects with little parental support, to rural/suburban helicopter parents.
When I show up Im a whirlwind of activity and they can see there really wont be an opening to talk to me. Stay moving, stay busy and dont get to practice or games too early or stay too late, dont loligag around. If they see you dont waste your own time, they usually wont either.
My 1000 yard stare would be my first response if cornered and then I would ask if they missed the mandatory parents meeting. I let them know Ive got things to do and to e-mail me if they think it's important. I think my parents know that I have a zero tolerance level for baloney or the wasting of time, mine or anyone elses. Example 95%+ of my cell phone calls are 1 minute or less etc. Read the One Minute Manager book, great read.
Remember to include all the bozo conversations you hate as examples you make fun of in your oepning speech of what not to do as a parent.
We remove all bozos from the mailing list each year, usually just a handfull. Just like coaching football, preparation and precaution is the key.
We do not give the coaches or parents much leeway and for certain things like missing 2 practices, being tossed from a game, throwing a helmet etc we give no leeway to the kids either. never had to let a coach on my own team go, one parent, and 2-3 kids for attendance issues.
Quality attracts quality, so the numbers work themselves up if you run a well run ship, waiting list etc The more exclusive you make something the more everyone wants to be part of it. The more you try and please everyone, the more"common" you become and the more problems you have. I've done it both ways and had much better luck with the strict, "we are glad your'e here but you need us more than we need you", exclusive approach.
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Post by los on Jun 25, 2007 19:41:08 GMT -6
Hmmm, I think I've seen more "That Guys" on the sidelines,(or screaming from the stands or the track) of jv and high school games Broph? Most guys coaching youth ball that I've seen either learn to chill out, or they'll quit pretty quickly on their own! Whoever is in charge of the league, should be wandering thru the practice sessions and on the sidelines during games, to monitor stuff like this? If you don't like the way a guy is coaching, and can offer some tips, tell them, if they still go over the edge, get rid of them! Like Dave said, we had a couple coach's meetings, waay before the 1st practice, to go over safety stuff, etiquitte, do's and don'ts, etc.., not just our county teams coach prospects, but with our opponent coach's from the 2 other countys in the league as well! So, if you had a problem with one of your guys, you'd take care of it, if the problem was with an opposing coach, one phone call usually took care of that?
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Post by coachcb on Jul 6, 2007 13:48:43 GMT -6
I coached youth ball this last year and had one of "those guys". He showed up for evaluation day and made an ass out of himself. No respect, knew nothing about the game, told me (HC) how he was going to run the team.
Point blank, I told him never to come back.
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Post by dolomite on Jul 11, 2007 0:59:20 GMT -6
It flat out never happens to me, in 15 years not a single time to my own personal teams. Thanks to the contract, the speech and the importance I put on it, I will not deviate from discussing just a few very narrowly defined pre determined topics with parents. That included teams directly accross the street from Omahas poorest, largest and most violent housing projects with little parental support, to rural/suburban helicopter parents. When I show up Im a whirlwind of activity and they can see there really wont be an opening to talk to me. Stay moving, stay busy and dont get to practice or games too early or stay too late, dont loligag around. If they see you dont waste your own time, they usually wont either. My 1000 yard stare would be my first response if cornered and then I would ask if they missed the mandatory parents meeting. I let them know Ive got things to do and to e-mail me if they think it's important. I think my parents know that I have a zero tolerance level for baloney or the wasting of time, mine or anyone elses. Example 95%+ of my cell phone calls are 1 minute or less etc. Read the One Minute Manager book, great read. Remember to include all the bozo conversations you hate as examples you make fun of in your oepning speech of what not to do as a parent. We remove all bozos from the mailing list each year, usually just a handfull. Just like coaching football, preparation and precaution is the key. We do not give the coaches or parents much leeway and for certain things like missing 2 practices, being tossed from a game, throwing a helmet etc we give no leeway to the kids either. never had to let a coach on my own team go, one parent, and 2-3 kids for attendance issues. Quality attracts quality, so the numbers work themselves up if you run a well run ship, waiting list etc The more exclusive you make something the more everyone wants to be part of it. The more you try and please everyone, the more"common" you become and the more problems you have. I've done it both ways and had much better luck with the strict, "we are glad your'e here but you need us more than we need you", exclusive approach. You must have some balance, good luck with that attitude though!!
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Post by davecisar on Jul 11, 2007 5:07:53 GMT -6
It has been very effective in builiding and managing an org that is the largest in Omaha proper and successful youth programs in 2 other cities, proof is in the pudding and longevity, now in my 9th year. If you havent done it you wouldnt know.
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Post by tedseay on Jul 12, 2007 8:10:00 GMT -6
It has been very effective in builiding and managing an org that is the largest in Omaha proper and successful youth programs in 2 other cities, proof is in the pudding and longevity, now in my 9th year. If you havent done it you wouldnt know. "Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way..."
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Post by lp78 on Jul 12, 2007 22:49:29 GMT -6
Contract's are great. But after a parent meeting. It really comes down to, say what you mean & mean what you say. Do not deviate.
I've had one knucklehead ex- youth league coach that was a pain in the backside in 5 years. He came on our sideline during the championship game last year. I told him he needed to leave. If not, the police would.
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Post by nrmccarthy12 on Jul 15, 2007 23:07:49 GMT -6
"That guy" is much more in the parent than in coaches. The parent puts in little to no time compared to what a coach puts in.
As a head coach you should most certainly screen any asst. coach before letting them on your staff.
I ran into a case last year, my first year as a head coach, but 3rd year coaching in a league that I grew up playing in.
He and his twin boys came to me from another team that folded, due to lack of players. He did not want to bring his kids to my team without him having some involvement with the team. I informed him he could help with drills as a "parent-helper" which means that you hold bags and various other tasks, when I need a body.
He interpreted this as "He is a coach." Which was not my intention, since I had plenty of coaches already.
To make matters worse, his twin boys were the most undisciplined unruly children I have ever dealt with. They would tell kids that they would pay them $5 to switch spots in line (so these kids could tackle the weaker kids on the team / avoid the studs).
Needless to say, these boys and their father only lasted about 4 practices. I informed this parent that his services were no longer needed, this then led to him pulling his boys off the team and he began to question my coaching (citing the classic line of: "you are playing my boys at positions they should be playing Running Back, like I did back in the day"..."I'm a legend down here")
Anyhow, this ended up leading to larger matters but in the end it worked out for everybody and we gave him the names of several other 'softer' leagues he can send his kids to play their first year of football.
So, as Dave pointed out having a card with other organizations names/numbers is a very good thing to have after that parents talk.
I worked with a coach who started his speech off with "Does anyone out there think they can coach this football team better than me? No...no one? Alright well that was your last chance to question my coaching ability. Now, I'm here to talk about your role as a parent...."
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Post by CoachJ on Jul 16, 2007 9:09:23 GMT -6
We don't run into "that guy" often. Usually I hear what he has to say because I am standing there and I typically ignore him as if he never said anything or doesn't exist. I had a dad last season try and tell me where to play certain players. I heard what he had to say and then didn't do it. Seems pretty simple to me.
We have had parents shout things from the stands, even with a parent contract. I make sure my players focus on the game.
We talk all the time about about what it means to be a part of our team. The standards the players uphold. When someone shouts from the stands, it gives us examples of what not to be like.
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Post by ticobrown on Jul 18, 2007 8:33:57 GMT -6
what is the best way to deal with "THAT" guy in youth ball. The guy that vicariously lives in the past. The parent or even COACH who you have to deal with that is alway going on about "Well, I'll tell you what WE used to do back in tha day...."
"I remember this one time.......and then coach wouldn't let us git any water...."
"Boy, what the hell is wrong with you? You should go play with some dolls 'r something..."
"I was the baddest, meanest SOB on the field when I played...."
"Just block somebody!"
Are you in South Jersey??? Sounds like a few coaches I know down here, .
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Post by lp78 on Jul 30, 2007 17:16:31 GMT -6
Sorry guys, I'm going to vent here about a problem "guy" we had last year. I was a the asst. AD & a HC.
This "guy" came over from another league that broke up the year before.
1st thing, he did was bring a bunch of players to field trials/ sign ups & signed his name as the guardian... Later we have to get their parents signature before they can practice. Our President confronts him about this problem he created. His attitude is it's our problem, he got them there.
2nd thing, he was able to bring all these kids, but not his own. Which we found out later they were not. In our league if you are not the head coach, you draft the players to get their fathers as a coach. If the kids don't go through field trials they are a hat pick. He had already planed to be a asst. coach on one team & his kids were on another team. He gave us he!! over not getting them.
3rd thing, last game of the year he tells the person collecting equipment that they have a game out of town that night. Not part of our league. He was told when the equipment is turned in they will get their trophies. Never got the equipment back.
This year, I'm now the AD & a Board member.
2 months ago he comes to a board meeting & tells us he's tired of the calls from parents not getting their trophies for last year. We told him get the equipment back & it will be taken care of. He made out like it was our fault. Still no equipment!
Last week after our 1st field trial he comes up & wants to argue that he IS going to coach one of our home town teams. We haven't heard a word or seen him since that meeting. Doesn't come to the field trial & he's going to tell us what he is going to do & we have no say in it. We already have the # of coaches needed & they have more seniority than he does. This "guy" is not a team player, does not take responsibility for his actions & has a big chip on his shoulder.
WRONG! 1 down & maybe 1 or 2 more to go.
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Post by bones72 on Aug 24, 2007 11:38:29 GMT -6
As I've posted on this bozo before, I coached as an 0-line ass't for a HC that should've been cuffed at least once. Now, my son wants to play in this league, as its the only tackle football for youth around. What should I do, let my son do it, and just hope, or pull him and not let him play for 2 years?
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Post by dubber on Aug 24, 2007 11:48:45 GMT -6
As I've posted on this bozo before, I coached as an 0-line ass't for a HC that should've been cuffed at least once. Now, my son wants to play in this league, as its the only tackle football for youth around. What should I do, let my son do it, and just hope, or pull him and not let him play for 2 years? Let him play
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2008 9:30:25 GMT -6
Coach: OH yeah the historian...look, If he's a coach, fire him if you can...you don't need that "Well, I used to be able to" BS.. These guys were always super athletes who had to endure a myriad of misery, and sorrow simply for their love of the game, they always labored under some tyrannical monster of a coach who treated them like $hit. And they always suffered some horrific injury that would've killed any of us mere mortals "I once played a whole quarter holding my own spine !!! If this dude is a parent I'd make it a practice to stay away from this gut, keep the kids away from him too, maybe offer him a job at the snack stand or something.
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Post by raiderpirates on Jun 20, 2008 21:55:49 GMT -6
Not getting any water- big no no in my book. Hydration is a necessity for safety, it is not a motivational ploy.
Do it through drills on schedule, be prompt, it's put into the practice schedule for that reason.
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Post by los on Jun 22, 2008 9:46:02 GMT -6
I hate to be the one to break this news to you guys.....but football in general, is a much more "user friendly" game these days......might be cause we live in a sue everyone for anything....instant gratification.....something for nothing......appearance over substance society......but.....a lot of the stuff in this post, as far as the old days in football......actually "was exactly" that way, lol......labored like a migrant worker under a tyranical coach = yep pretty common......water breaks during practice and games = dang lucky if you got one, them maybe outside temp brackish water, lol......played with injury = you dang well better, lol.....if you came off the field claiming injured, without some serious broken or dislocated "major appendage".....be prepared to be called = a slang term for a womans anatomy part, lol.....(you tolerated this crap, not only cause you loved playing, but also cause you didn't want to let your buddy's down and be a quitter, lol).... thing is though.....we all knew, even as kids, back then, a lot of this was BS.....and there had to be a better way to do things.....so when the time comes for you to be a coach.....its OK to remember and embrace the "old school" quality's that make sense, in developing a good football player......you just gotta know the difference, lol......is this helping in their development or retarding it? Can a player "do his job better", using this training method, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2008 14:32:48 GMT -6
I hate to be the one to break this news to you guys.....but football in general, is a much more "user friendly" game these days......might be cause we live in a sue everyone for anything....instant gratification.....something for nothing......appearance over substance society......but.....a lot of the stuff in this post, as far as the old days in football......actually "was exactly" that way, lol......labored like a migrant worker under a tyranical coach = yep pretty common......water breaks during practice and games = dang lucky if you got one, them maybe outside temp brackish water, lol......played with injury = you dang well better, lol.....if you came off the field claiming injured, without some serious broken or dislocated "major appendage".....be prepared to be called = a slang term for a womans anatomy part, lol.....(you tolerated this crap, not only cause you loved playing, but also cause you didn't want to let your buddy's down and be a quitter, lol).... thing is though.....we all knew, even as kids, back then, a lot of this was BS.....and there had to be a better way to do things.....so when the time comes for you to be a coach.....its OK to remember and embrace the "old school" quality's that make sense, in developing a good football player......you just gotta know the difference, lol......is this helping in their development or retarding it? Can a player "do his job better", using this training method, etc... I agree but it doesn't really have a place on the sideline
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Post by los on Jun 22, 2008 19:15:10 GMT -6
Sorry coach k, wasn't trying to single out your post, just making a general comment....should have said = " in this thread", but didn't see it soon enough....lol....only get one edit and I'd used that to correct spelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2008 19:12:41 GMT -6
Sorry coach k, wasn't trying to single out your post, just making a general comment....should have said = " in this thread", but didn't see it soon enough....lol....only get one edit and I'd used that to correct spelling. No offense taken coach
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