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Post by s73 on Jun 18, 2016 5:56:40 GMT -6
Do you guys let kids miss all summer and play in fall? I know broad question but just curious what different program philosophies and rules are. Where we live summer cannot be made mandatory b/c it is not an official part of the season. With that said, I have only once had a kid miss the whole summer and be GOOD enough to start for us and that was b/c our team was 1-8 that year. Most teams he would've never seen the field.
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Post by s73 on Jun 13, 2016 15:45:32 GMT -6
I've got a guy, and he's a very good high school athlete especially considering our competition. But, he's just that. A high school athlete. He keeps telling people in the community and other players and teachers, that he's either going to UCLA, Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama or Florida State. He's hired a "professional recruitment specialist" because he's told us that we aren't smart enough to get him signed and that we're holding him back. This recruiter keeps telling people that he's been meeting with all sorts of national coaches, and that he had dinner with Jimbo, and he was raving about this player. He was on a call with the UCLA staff, and he's at the top of their prospect list. Oregon considers him a must-get kind of guy. All sorts of stuff like that. Keeps telling people that these coaches were at games and that they were so impressed with him. You all can probably guess how much of that is true. Here's the reality: He's slower than any skill guy any of those schools will sign, ever. He's about 9 inches too small and about 85lbs too light. He's soft and has average hands. But we play enough teams with minimal athletes, that he looks like Randy Moss at times. He's going into his senior year, and is not a major college prospect, period. None of those schools will ever sign him or even consider him, period. He might MIGHT play at an average NAIA or D-III school. Maybe. How do you handle this? I have no idea how to shatter a kids unrealistic dreams, but he's going to miss out on actual colleges he can play for, because he won't return any of their questions and stuff. He's a pretty good kid just trying any way to get out of the ghetto and raise him family up. This is simple. Please listen carefully as I have a wealth of experience and expertise in working with average kids:) The fact is, D3 schools will recruit kids well into their senior years b/c THEY NEED KIDS. Nobody knows the stigma they are fighting better than them. They know kids think D1 scholly's are easier to come by than they are & they know that recruiting agencies are full of BS & will tell families what they want to hear to get their money. Hence, they are always "pounding the pavement" through out the school year to get the kids "who didn't make it". Let him "do his thing" and when none of it turns out, and the local D3 schools stop by, call him out of class along with the rest of your seniors who want to try and play college ball and simply tell him this guy wants to talk to you. He may or may not meet with him but you have fulfilled your obligation. Simple as that. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jun 9, 2016 12:50:52 GMT -6
It seems everything I read is talking about doing everything fast. I like to teach slow and practice with a purpose not just to practice plays. #1 we don't have the luxury of 45 minute meetings everyday and I don't have time to comment on 100+ plays on practice film. #2 Unless you are 2 platoon, I really don't see the advantage of not huddling and playing fast. We get to see your formation we line up the same way every time. I can call my plays just as fast as you can call them Thoughts TOTALLY agree with this. More importantly IMO, practice slowly to play CORRECTLY! If you want your kids to play fast & get their assignments right, then you have to develop confidence in them, period. The only way to do that is to intro stuff at a pace they can handle & absorb. If you cram too much at them they will be confused and play slowly & poorly. It's no different then teaching the weight room. You intro and rep technique slowly & deliberately before you turn them loose to challenge themselves with weight. JMO.
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Post by s73 on May 27, 2016 8:08:46 GMT -6
Our numbers are starting to improve slightly for the first time in a while. One thing we have started doing is to periodically host "game nights" for the fb kids where we turn the lights on and let them play on the field. get nice turnouts for that & I think it reminds kids how cool it is to be under the lights. we encourage them to invite anyone who might be thinking about playing fb
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Post by s73 on May 26, 2016 6:45:52 GMT -6
In the past, practice would end in season, giving me enough time to get one of my kids and dinner going just in time for my wife to be home with the other child. This year, our practices will be later and my wife will be getting both kids and potentially have to make dinner (if we want to eat at a relatively decent time). She is one that on her menu is generally pasta only, after that, it can get scary. My question: What are your Monday's-Wednesday's like for dinner when you have school aged kids and a wife who works as well? We don't make much money and eating out can be expensive. We also do not eat fast food. Anyone in this situation? Any tricks of the trade? We were thinking about cooking dinner at night to heat up the next day. Buy crates of eggs- hard boil them for the week keep lots of nuts/dried fruit for portable snacks same with peanut butter jar and spoon bake a pan or two of chicken breast for the week and bring a bag of potatoes and a can of oatmeal to work, use the microwave there.
you don't have to eat like crap and honestly, we all love to make excuses but it can be done.
Coach, you just outed me. I always use football season as my excuse to eat like crap. Fortunately my wife doesn't read huey?
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Post by s73 on May 7, 2016 11:35:38 GMT -6
Depends on how you define success. Mostly they don't help us much on the field. It happens but not usually. There's always room for another scout teamer, though. I was going to say, "I guess it is how you define compliment". While it is a nice sentiment that someone would want to be a part of your program, it also might show that your program doesn't have much of a strong reputation if Jrs and Srs feel they can just pop in and contribute. I think it's always a positive reflection of your program. I think the thing to keep in mind is that kids who have never played before are usually pretty clueless altogether and don't have any idea what they are getting themselves into. I don't think the program reputation influences kids much. Kids are no different than the beer bellied knucklehead sitting on his couch at home screaming at his tv and saying man, "Even I can do better than that". Then they walk on the field and get their faces attached their a$$es in the first drill and half of them hang it up and the other half generally learn to respect what all the others have been doing for the past 4 years. This has been my experience anyway. But, IMO, never a bad thing to have kids identify your program as something they would like to belong to. It's better than the alternative. Again, JMO.
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Post by s73 on May 2, 2016 14:27:25 GMT -6
I think this is one of the hardest things to do in all of sports period IMO.
Why?
Well, first you have to "sell it", then they have to "buy it" which YOU cannot control. Next, you have to produce ENOUGH results to show them what you are selling is WORTH buying so they continue to do so.
In reality, I think the best you can do is work hard yourself at football & building relationships & you have to be authentic.
Also...and this is HUGE and many will not agree w/ me but I don't think you can raise the bar immediately and expect that to work. IMO, you can't treat them w/ the same demands as the division champ b/c that will be too much culture shock for these guys. You have to slowly build it. Otherwise, you run the risk of alienating kids who might have met you half way & then worked their way to your side of things in the long run.
Again, JMO. I don't think anybody has an air tight solution on this.
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Post by s73 on Apr 26, 2016 13:45:00 GMT -6
I go w/ Saban - Meyer b/c it just seems like guys like that are not effected by certain circumstances like other guys are.
I say that b/c if memory serves Meyer won it a couple years back w/ his 3rd string QB.
They just seem to get it done IMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 20, 2016 10:01:56 GMT -6
I truly believe that many assistant coaches genuinely don't realize the amount of time and commitment needed for them to be OUTSTANDING at their jobs.
I think many of them think they are doing a GREAT job when they are doing a good job. And many think they are doing a good job when they are doing a mediocre job and so forth.
BTW, I'm sure the same could be said for many HC's.
I have a very good staff, but I do find that many guys seem to think b/c they work in the off season that they should be given more duties/ prestige and I have to keep explaining to them that "extra stuff" is really the norm.
That for me has been the biggest issue.
With that said, I cannot complain. My guys are pretty solid.
Most of them don't want to be HC's so I try not to have "HC expectations " of them.
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Post by s73 on Apr 9, 2016 17:35:25 GMT -6
1. Do a better job of remembering that they are just kids. Sometimes I get caught up in the process and forget about the people. 2. I know this is sacrilegious but.......reminding myself it's JUST HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL. 3. Stop worrying about what other people think. I think this directly linked to #1 & #2. I wouldn't get so uptight with the kids and the process if I wasn't so concerned about the public perception on Friday nights. And frankly, I would probably coach better.
These are main goals for me in 2016. I need to enjoy this more and worry less regardless of the outcome.
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Post by s73 on Apr 9, 2016 14:19:05 GMT -6
Not to pile on but if you replaced the term head coach w/ boss I think suggesting that he change is a bit silly b/c you do not possess the authority to change him. He hired you.
With that said, I think only he can see the need for change (if the need exists) by examining the bottom line. If assistants aren't willing to coach for him anymore (that is a decision you actually have authority over), losses start to pile up, AD sees the need for a new guy, etc.
Otherwise, he EARNED the right to run the program as he sees fit.
JMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 4, 2016 6:44:15 GMT -6
No 2 a-days (haven't done them in over 10 years) Off season lifting (take November and March off, start back today) 8 days in June & 8 days in July No weekends for kids (QB's can voluntarily come in w/ position coach) No rules other than lateness & Unexcused absences (follow school policy for anything else) No selling anything fundraisers (cannot stand them) No conditioning periods in practice (practice at the right tempo to condition the kids) Not gonna lie coachbdud, had to look up pedantic in the dictionary, consequently I agree with your assessment
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 19:34:14 GMT -6
What about a kid who gets an offer. Commits to the school. They talk him into coming to camp(one day camp for testing and competition so they say). Runs a slightly slower 40 but other wise does real well in everything else. Next day they pull the offer by phone to the head coach. Kid had the offer and was committed before camp and I tried to talk him out of going. I knew he wasn't a 4.5 so to say but when the lights came on was the best on the field. Had other offers and ended up taking one of those. How do you handle that situation? To me, that is simply a lack of due diligence on the recruiting staff. I have no problem with them doing that, because at least they were upfront. That kind of stuff would be handled by my suggestion earlier in the thread, but I doubt that would ever get traction. Whoa, wait a minute, you say this okay by the staff but you just mentioned at the top of this page that a kid can't decommit to a school b/c being a dbag in return to a school whose recruiting process is dbaggish would be wrong? How's that? The coaches can rescind an offer b/c they were incompetent in their analysis but a kid cannot b/c he got a better offer? Not following at all.
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 11:14:15 GMT -6
s73 I don't see what is so unrealistic about expecting college coaches to not be shady, and not lead on 17 year olds. You mention reality...but as some have mentioned, this is VERY MUCH reality. Just not your particular reality. It is very common in my area (not particularly great for Louisiana High School Football) for each of the "big schools (5 or so) to have atleast 2 Div 1 signees each year, with a top 20 program talent every couple of years. In New Orleans, you are talking about 4-5 kids a year at some schools, with 1 or 2 top 20 program talents each year. As 60zgo mentioned, it can grow old very fast watching your kids get strung along, and as fantom mentioned, it easily becomes "your fault" because you are the one people have access to. All any of us here are saying (and all the St. Staniuslaus coach was saying on twitter) was "HEY..DON'T STRING THE KIDS ALONG" . Shady is YOUR perspective. That's what's unrealistic. You are expecting them to see it from your perspective. Like you said in your earlier post, kids are STARSTRUCK. NOT a D1 coaches fault. Yeah, it can get old getting strung along, but....it's always going to happen until they know for sure. Not sure what else you want me to say. I'm not going to vilify these guys for the way they do their jobs when I have never been in their shoes. You are making assumptions not knowing all the facts and you're giving the twitter boy the market on the truth. On a side note, does anybody else suspect 60zgo is the Stanislau coach
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 10:06:45 GMT -6
I don't think I'm missing anything. THEY DID NOT OFFER HIM. They had interest, or else they would not be talking to him. But...they were not interested enough to offer. Simple as that. Simple as that, to YOU. The grown man with no feelings in the situation who isn't being told frequently that he is loved and wanted by the school that you want to go to. Not the 18 year old with stars in his eyes. Why? Why is it the HS coach's job to do what the college coach won't do? And quite honestly, YES it is a huge disappointment and drop off from playing at USM compared to playing at Ole Miss, particularly when you are told the whole time how much Mississippi loves you. It is what it is, but I don't think that negates the responsibility of the college staff to just be upfront does it? And you should know well enough that the HS coach giving sound logical counsel as you suggest is relatively meaningless when later that night, the college guy loves up on the player. And it isn't "free". They are just having expenses paid for by the university so that they can do the "job" the University demands from them. But that is a different discussion. I don't believe expecting a college coach to be upfront and honest is being entitled. And, I have to disagree a bit, because publicly holding them accountable and focusing a spotlight on their shadiness might indeed slow down that behavior. I understand what you are saying, but again ADULTS who aren't being courted absolutely can understand the actions speaking louder than words. However, when you combine: 1) Kid is 17/18 2) Kid WANTS to go to Ole Miss 3) there is a big difference (especially socially) in being recruited & offered by Ole Miss, and USM or Louisiana Tech and LSU, or Auburn or UAB etc. 4) the school the kid wants to go to is telling him he is wanted Is asking the college recruiters to be upfront and honest with the kids too much? .....sigh...... I'm moving on, you are not in reality my friend. Like many of your posts but can't get behind this one. Sorry.
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 10:05:21 GMT -6
That is not realistic at all. No other way to say it. HS Coach Blank, I blame you for Ole Miss seeming interested & then not offering. Baloney. If you feel like you have to do damage control b/c a D1 offer didn't pan out (AGAIN NOBODY SEEMS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING HOW HARD THESE ARE TO COME BY) that's your own perception. In some areas D.1 scholarships are uncommon. In some there are players who sign at D.1 schools every year. That distorts the parents' perception of the reality of recruiting. If a neighboring school has kids sign with ACC schools, how come Junior doesn't have ACC offers? If Junior is getting interest from ACC schools but not an offer it must be because the HS coach isn't "selling" the kid right. Sure it's unreasonable but around here kids transfer and coaches get fired because of those perceptions. Fantom, That is exactly my point. The PERCEPTION of scholarship offers has been GREATLY distorted. And IMO, now even coaches like the St. Stanislaus coach is starting to see it more like a parent & even some of the coaches on this board are starting to drink the cool-aid IMO. But distorted perception is not reality. Speaking of missing angles, nobody mentioned the fact that the recruiter doesn't get the final say the HC does. Maybe some of these guys are "stringing some body along" b/c they want him but can't get the HC to sign off on it yet. Anybody consider that? Tons of variables in the process & sounding off like a jack a$$ on twitter shouldn't be one of them.
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 9:43:28 GMT -6
I don't think I'm missing anything. THEY DID NOT OFFER HIM. They had interest, or else they would not be talking to him. But...they were not interested enough to offer. Simple as that. It's the HS coaches job to say "Hey Jimmy, this might not happen. Looks like your just off the grid for these guys". And then Jimmy can....."Gasp" accept FREE schooling from a non SEC school - Oh the Horror! Alright, I know, I'm being douchy, but I feel like you guys have some sense of entitlement here. None of any of this or twitter or anything else is going to change the way they do business. Period. This is one of the most competitive industries in the world and jobs are always on the line. These guys are seeing kids from all over the country from small schools and big and they are trying to assess their needs and nobody throwing a tantrum is going to rush that process. If a kid doesn't want to wait and hope, he should move on to someone who wants him & not take it personally. Again, I think the point YOU guys are missing is them waffling on offering speaks very loudly & honestly. Actions speak louder than words. The reality is the kids don't want to believe it. They can always recommit. Nobody is going to convince me a scholarship kid is a victim. I'm going to assume you haven't seen this happen to any of your kids. It's a little different when you have to interact with some of these programs on a continuing basis. You're right. Would love to have the problem you have w/ the D bag SEC recruiting process:)
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 9:41:55 GMT -6
While it does seem a bit childish, publicly admonishing the Ole Miss staff/tactics is not the same action. In fact it is the polar opposite. It is being completely transparent, which is all he is asking the Mississippi coaches to do. Hey, you don't want my kids, thats fine..don't string them along. Tell them. Because they WANT to be wanted by Ole Miss, and being strong along doesn't help them out. s73 that is the factor I think you are missing in your point of view. All offers aren't the same, and in many cases the kids WANT to go to certain schools. Being loved up (but not offered) by those schools really hinders the kids recruiting process. As 60zgo points out, this isn't about the Leonard Fournettes or Shea Patterson's or the tops of the tops. Its about the much more common athlete who is (for whatever lame reason) considered a bit below that tier. I believe all 60zgo , myself, the St. Stanislaus (Southern Mississipi High School) coach etc. are saying is that AS THE ADULTS AND "PROFESSIONALS" IN THE SITUATION, the college coaches should be held to a higher standard, and should be open with the kids. "Hey Joe, I think you are a great player, and we would love to have you at Ole Miss, but we think Jason, and Jimmy fit us better, and right now they are our guys." If that were to happen, and Joe still pines away hoping Ole Miss comes calling in February, thats on him now. Another angle to this is that when the college strings a kid along guess who has to do damage control with the parents. Me. It might be unreasonable and unfair but the parents can't talk to the college coaches. They can talk to the HS coach every day so, in the minds of some parents we're the one to blame. That is not realistic at all. No other way to say it. HS Coach Blank, I blame you for Ole Miss seeming interested & then not offering. Baloney. If you feel like you have to do damage control b/c a D1 offer didn't pan out (AGAIN NOBODY SEEMS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING HOW HARD THESE ARE TO COME BY) that's your own perception.
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Post by s73 on Apr 2, 2016 9:30:50 GMT -6
We were caught up a few years ago in a local D-1 head coach over-recruiting, then offering the out-of-state kids and pulling the offer from our local kids, then telling the locals they can still walk on. Meanwhile, our kids had their offer, and were not pursuing other options, only to have their offer pulled and stuck in limbo with no other options. That coach got cussed out, and was told to never come back on our campus. He called the next year, my HC hung up on him. Word of that has gone around the local college circuit, and has made for great relationships with the other schools around us, including the rest of that same staff once the HC was fired. I dont see how going public on twitter like the Miss coach would help your kids. It is essentially the same petty action as the Ole Miss people. I dont see how openly whining would make anyone want to work with you. While it does seem a bit childish, publicly admonishing the Ole Miss staff/tactics is not the same action. In fact it is the polar opposite. It is being completely transparent, which is all he is asking the Mississippi coaches to do. Hey, you don't want my kids, thats fine..don't string them along. Tell them. Because they WANT to be wanted by Ole Miss, and being strong along doesn't help them out. s73 that is the factor I think you are missing in your point of view. All offers aren't the same, and in many cases the kids WANT to go to certain schools. Being loved up (but not offered) by those schools really hinders the kids recruiting process. As 60zgo points out, this isn't about the Leonard Fournettes or Shea Patterson's or the tops of the tops. Its about the much more common athlete who is (for whatever lame reason) considered a bit below that tier. I believe all 60zgo , myself, the St. Stanislaus (Southern Mississipi High School) coach etc. are saying is that AS THE ADULTS AND "PROFESSIONALS" IN THE SITUATION, the college coaches should be held to a higher standard, and should be open with the kids. "Hey Joe, I think you are a great player, and we would love to have you at Ole Miss, but we think Jason, and Jimmy fit us better, and right now they are our guys." If that were to happen, and Joe still pines away hoping Ole Miss comes calling in February, thats on him now. I don't think I'm missing anything. THEY DID NOT OFFER HIM. They had interest, or else they would not be talking to him. But...they were not interested enough to offer. Simple as that. It's the HS coaches job to say "Hey Jimmy, this might not happen. Looks like your just off the grid for these guys". And then Jimmy can....."Gasp" accept FREE schooling from a non SEC school - Oh the Horror! Alright, I know, I'm being douchy, but I feel like you guys have some sense of entitlement here. None of any of this or twitter or anything else is going to change the way they do business. Period. This is one of the most competitive industries in the world and jobs are always on the line. These guys are seeing kids from all over the country from small schools and big and they are trying to assess their needs and nobody throwing a tantrum is going to rush that process. If a kid doesn't want to wait and hope, he should move on to someone who wants him & not take it personally. Again, I think the point YOU guys are missing is them waffling on offering speaks very loudly & honestly. Actions speak louder than words. The reality is the kids don't want to believe it. They can always recommit. Nobody is going to convince me a scholarship kid is a victim.
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2016 23:17:01 GMT -6
Agreed, never said they don't owe them honesty. But, they can certainly be "interested" w/o committing to a kid. This is not dishonest. Furthermore, a possible SEC commit likely has MANY other offers. If he chooses to "roll the dice" for the big time school & turns down everybody else I think that's just a bad decision. If on the other hand, he commits to a "lesser school" & then pulls a U turn on the school b/c the SEC comes calling, I think that's perfectly fair. Each side has the right to do what's in their best interest. that's why it's called the recruiting process. JMO. That's my point with some of these guys... They are more than "interested" in the kid. I'm not talking about the kid who gets the form letter and an invite to camp. I'm talking about when they are actively recruiting them (phone, text, school/home visit, social media) but won't be 100% up front with the kid or coach on where the kid is on the recruiting board. It's dishonest plain and simple. They might need the kid if some others fall through, but at the same time they are trying to make sure he doesn't sign with a rival by stringing him along and recruiting him hardcore. When the coach repeatedly tries to make contact and get feedback from Big Time U he's blown off and ignored. In this case the HS coach sends out a tweet, and the recruiter responds in minutes? See, I disagree that's being dishonest. I mean if they aren't returning the coaches calls that's a pretty good sign that they are not ready to offer. Another good sign they are not ready to offer? They didn't offer. I think twitter is one of the worst things that has ever happened to this country. Okay....okay...."I jumped the shark" w/ that one but twitter is a problem. Basically, twitter has become IMO, analogous to the 5 year old tantrum in the toy store. The REALITY is, 10 years ago a HS coach couldn't get the time of day from any of these coaches. Now, when he or anybody else for that matter doesn't like something they go to twitter and smear someone to get attention. Come on man, it's a BUSINESS. We have to be more mature than this. What did this coach accomplish? Did his kid get an offer from Ole Miss? No. Instead, the coach probably put himself in a category among SEC coaches as the D bag who throws tantrums on twitter if we don't recruit the way HE wants us to. If the process takes too long for HIM . His tweet will not change the way they do anything in any form or fashion. They probably all laughed about back at Ole Miss. I would bet everything I own that next time one of his kids is close w/ another kid in the recruiting process that coaches are gonna be like isn't that the guy who decided to call out coaches on twitter? I think I'm going the other way. Again, JMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2016 22:41:58 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here but a college scholarship is a lot of money and I don't see that these schools owe these kids anything. I think they owe them the courtesy of being honest and upfront. The coaches are adults and are representing institutes of supposed higher learning. Regardless of the immature actions of 17/18 year old recruited kids, the coaches need to be held to a higher standard. Agreed, never said they don't owe them honesty. But, they can certainly be "interested" w/o committing to a kid. This is not dishonest. Furthermore, a possible SEC commit likely has MANY other offers. If he chooses to "roll the dice" for the big time school & turns down everybody else I think that's just a bad decision. If on the other hand, he commits to a "lesser school" & then pulls a U turn on the school b/c the SEC comes calling, I think that's perfectly fair. Each side has the right to do what's in their best interest. that's why it's called the recruiting process. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2016 22:36:28 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here but a college scholarship is a lot of money and I don't see that these schools owe these kids anything. They have lots of decisions to make themselves with a lot of cash on the line and they can only hold so many spots as well as competition from other schools. It is what it is. I don't believe anybody wants to INTENTIONALLY deceive anybody but the process gets complicated. Bottom line, the coach in this article sounds like a doofus who has overvalued himself, and if he overvalues himself he probably over valued his kids as well. Furthermore, the article that mattharris put up about the player calling out Urban Meyer? Again, I think these kids think they are owed something when they are not. I think they should just be happy to be recruited. JMO. PS - Has it been lost on anyone that this coach is complaining about WHICH SEC OFFERS his kids are getting? Just sayin' These schools owe these kids everything. Sure these coaches work hard to make a gameplay each week. Yeah it's a grind, I get that, I've done it. But like 60 is saying, it's the kids that fill 75,000 seat stadiums. Nobody has ever paid money to watch coaches signal stuff in. It's a gigantic time commitment and while it may open up a lot of doors for these kids that scholarship that is "a lot of money" doesn't come close to cutting it. The least they can do is be honest. Had a long talk with one of our kids today about that. Some ACC schools are dragging him along a bit without pulling the trigger, and I don't think they will. So he needs to turn his attention to other great options for him. He can not do that if he's being teased by these bigger schools. Respectfully disagree. When we all go for interviews, we go through a process in competition w/ many other candidates & they show interest by interviewing us but they don't tell us we have the job right away. We usually have to wait a while to find out if we got the job. Furthermore, when kids apply to a quality school (ivy league for example) kids have to apply, get letters of rec, take entrance exams & even do interviews, write essays, etc, and they still have to wait as admission boards review and compare applicants. This is all part of life. Agreed 100% if coaches are being blatantly dishonest that is unacceptable. But if they have an interest but not ready to commit, then NOTHING is holding these kids back from accepting other offers. If they are willing to gamble on a "better" offer & they miss out b/c the "big school" didn't come through for them like they hoped they would, well that's the breaks. Likewise, kid commits to a "lesser" school & then Nick Saban shows up w/ an offer, I would not fault the kid one iota for jumping ship to Alabama. I think all is fair in competition as long as people are being as transparent as they can be. Bottom line, some of these coaches don't know until they know. IMO, nobody owes anybody anything, part of the process. Again, JMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2016 12:58:06 GMT -6
May I ask why they owe them everything? 1. From a player standpoint 'good players make good coaches'. Period. You won't keep that top shelf SEC job very long without the top shelf talent. 2. From the coaches standpoint that high school coach can be a major roadblock in the recruitment of a player. If you are open and honest with everybody it's better for everyone. As to situations like this one the kids were probably in that 26-30 range on the recruiting board and the coach was looking for feedback, but couldn't get any even though the school was still loving up on his recruits. That makes it hard on the kid getting recruited because he doesn't know what his exact situation is. He's being told "We want you", but doesn't have an offer and the school won't give any honest feedback. HS coach calls, and texts but doesn't get an answer for weeks. Post a tweet and get a text from the University within minutes. Again. The SEC West is filled with some serious douchebaggery on the recruiting trail. So. They are making a 4-5 year commitment. Have to make it work for everybody. Coaches & recruits have all changed their minds in the past. Highly recruited kids often have jumped ship on a commitment or keep colleges on hold all the time to see what else is out there. It's a process that can suck for both sides but nobody owes. And as for the coach being a roadblock? He ain't gonna be any kind of road block if the kid gets offered to a prestigious school he really wants to go to. Recruiters will just bypass him and contact the kid at home. Easy enough. And many parents nowadays get so starstruck by this stuff they really don't care what the HS coach is saying. As for the SEC West being full of D-bags? I wouldn't know, never had an SEC coach give my kids the time of day. Sorry to say it, but I think you might be a tad spoiled coach. it's not common to have SEC anything talk to you.
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2016 12:30:28 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here but a college scholarship is a lot of money and I don't see that these schools owe these kids anything. They have lots of decisions to make themselves with a lot of cash on the line and they can only hold so many spots as well as competition from other schools. It is what it is. I don't believe anybody wants to INTENTIONALLY deceive anybody but the process gets complicated. Bottom line, the coach in this article sounds like a doofus who has overvalued himself, and if he overvalues himself he probably over valued his kids as well. Furthermore, the article that mattharris put up about the player calling out Urban Meyer? Again, I think these kids think they are owed something when they are not. I think they should just be happy to be recruited. JMO. I'm the exact opposite. I think they owe the kids and the HS coach everything. And with this whole IMG b.s. I don't want an SEC West coach on my campus save for one. May I ask why they owe them everything?
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2016 12:18:04 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here but a college scholarship is a lot of money and I don't see that these schools owe these kids anything.
They have lots of decisions to make themselves with a lot of cash on the line and they can only hold so many spots as well as competition from other schools. It is what it is. I don't believe anybody wants to INTENTIONALLY deceive anybody but the process gets complicated.
Bottom line, the coach in this article sounds like a doofus who has overvalued himself, and if he overvalues himself he probably over valued his kids as well.
Furthermore, the article that mattharris put up about the player calling out Urban Meyer? Again, I think these kids think they are owed something when they are not. I think they should just be happy to be recruited.
JMO.
PS - Has it been lost on anyone that this coach is complaining about WHICH SEC OFFERS his kids are getting? Just sayin'
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Post by s73 on Mar 15, 2016 14:51:04 GMT -6
I want all of our kids to do whatever sports they want (including wrestling).
The only issue I have w/ our current wrestling program is they are trying to make it a year round thing. They want to do camp 3X / week starting next week until wrestling season starts.
The last thing I want my guys doing is wrestling 6 hours a week on top of football practice. We have tried not to step on anybody's toes by closing our weight program in November and March to encourage Winter & Spring sport participation (don't want FB weights to be used as an excuse not to do something).
If we can get this part worked out then I'm all for wrestling.
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Post by s73 on Mar 6, 2016 21:28:37 GMT -6
We work stuff v. scout team with pads and work special teams for about an hour.
Always hit punt & PR during the week and the rest on Thursdays.
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Post by s73 on Feb 25, 2016 18:14:22 GMT -6
The only thing I don't like about football players wrestling is the obsession some wrestling coaches have with kids cutting weight. When you have a 165 lb Freshmen center that you would like to be 200 lbs as a sophomore slimming down to 142 for wrestling it is a little counter productive. But I tell all the kids they are either wrestling, playing basketball, or in the weightroom. There is no 4th option if they want to play football. In my experience, the wrestling coaches really count on FB for their numbers, so they tend to shy away from that stuff with us.
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Post by s73 on Feb 23, 2016 17:12:52 GMT -6
I wen to clinics for years. Then we stopped for the same reasons said above. Spent a lot of $ on the staff to go again this year & then remembered why we don't go.
Everything at the clinic is basic top layer football "101" IMO.
This site & visiting successful programs in our area has become our off season foundation.
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Post by s73 on Feb 21, 2016 7:57:25 GMT -6
The more I read and think about this the more I parallel it to a situation of mine about 10 years ago. I was a position coach at a successful program: one that eventually went on a nice little state championship dynasty run. I was WAY too sensitive back then about being yelled at/ ripped/ etc., so I convinced myself that I would be happier and ultimately advance my career more by becoming a HC at a smaller school. Lots of friends/ collegues/ fellow coaches told me when I asked for their opinion that I was making a mistake. Being on staff of a successful program would lead to better and brighter things for me in the long run. Well, I didn't listen. 3 years later, I did pick up some valuable experience being an HC with a, let's just say not pretty record, but I wasn't happier, and except for the experience I don't think it was a great career boost. So, I guess, sometimes not matter how "wrong" we may think a decision is for player based on our experience, he and his family have to do what they are going to do. I've always liked telling players "Experience is the best teacher": so, this player and his family have to "go to school" and let the chips fall where they may. Gibbs, I see what you and others are saying here & you guys make some valid points. But, I think there is also another thing to consider here. The REALITY in most situations when a kid leaves a program is he is saying "this program is better than yours". I mean nobody purposely leaves a program to go to another program they BELIEVE to be worse unless they move or something else occurs that is out of their control. I'm talking about a purposeful decision to leave one for another. I think this thread has focused so much on not making a kid a villain, but what about standing up for your own program? Personally, I believe enough in what we are doing that if a kid tells me that another program is better for him I will comfortably tell him he is making a bad decision b/c I believe in what we do for kids. I think we have a right to stand up for ourselves and maybe in that sense what some may consider vilifying someone, in actuality may be pride in what you are doing. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. JMO.
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