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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 21:49:11 GMT -6
If those are high school age students in our state and go to a school but play in another organization they would be ineligible. Ineligible for what? If I'm organizing a football team or league, I'm determining my own eligibility rules for it. Do you just mean they'd be ineligible to return to a team affiliated with that school if they play on another? I think what freezeoption means is that if kids played for an organization like what the OP described, they would be ineligible under the state association rules. Or, looking at it another way, it would be like IMG in Florida. IMG can schedule and play games against other Florida high schools. However, because IMG is not a member of the Florida state high school athletic association and does not follow their rules, they are ineligible to play in any tournament or post-season series that is organized by the state high school athletic association.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 21:43:09 GMT -6
Many small schools in this state are co-oped for all sports and are sanctioned and regulated by our state high school sports governing organization. It's feast or famine; either the programs are incredibly successful or they fall apart in a hurry. I've been an AD under two co-ops and yes, logistics are a nightmare: 1. Where are practices going to take place? Are they split evenly between the two schools or do you base it on the proportion of kids that are out for each school? If one school is providing 25% of the players, then should they only practice at their school 25% of the time? 2. Are games going to be split evenly between the two schools? Again, if a school is providing 25% of the players, should the other school get 75% of the home games? If you split them equally, how are you splitting the gate? 3. Are you splitting all activity bills 50/50 or is each school responsible for their own portion of the gear, transportation, etc..etc.. 4. How are you going to pay the coaches? Are you going to come up with a co-op salary schedule so everyone is compensated equally or is each school going to use their own? If so, how do you justify paying one coach more than another? What happens when one school's assistant stipend is higher than the other school's HC stipend? 5. If you have two incumbent HCs before the co-op, who is the head coach and who are the assistants? Who is going to make that determination and how is it going to be justified? 6. Are you going to switch over to a neutral mascot or will you alternate mascots/jerseys between games? See #2 for the potential nightmare this becomes. If you go with a neutral mascot, how are you paying for the uniforms? See #3 for another potential nightmare. 7. Are you going to establish co-op athletic policies pertaining to discipline and eligibility or is each school going to operate on their own? What if one school's policies are lenient in comparison to the others? 8. Are you going to co-op in all of your sports or just the sports that are struggling with numbers? Are you going to co-op your junior high sports? All eight of these points need to resolved before two schools even think about co-oping. If a compromise can't be found on even ONE of the eight, you're in for trouble. The way I read the OP, this is not going to be a "co-op" in the sense that multiple high schools are collaborating to field a single football team that will represent each school. Instead, this is going to be more along the lines of the AAU model. At least that is how I read it.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 21:39:48 GMT -6
Has anyone ever done this? It's something I've been thinking about lately. There are 2 in our area right now, both playing 11 man football after starting as 8 man teams. One actually started as a private school team and the coach kept it going after the school had money troubles, cut football, and was in danger of going under completely. I don't know much about the other one. Both fill their roster with kids who attend small schools that don't offer football, homeschooled kids, and kids who have been booted off their HS teams but still attend there. They rent fields from MS and local governments to play on. They are Independents and schedule all of their games as non-conference games against other HS and travel around playing other on weekends. In the past, at least one of them has paid to compete in 8-man "National Championship" tournaments in other states. If you have done this or coached on such a team, what was your experience like? It seems like a logistical nightmare to try and put this together, but it also seems like it might be fun once it's rolling. Interesting. So what you are describing here is not a school-sponsored team, right? It's basically a club football team? Basically a football version of AAU? I would say the two biggest issues in starting something like this would be costs and finding teams to play. Besides obvious costs like equipment and travel costs, I would imagine that insurance would be quite expensive. I think it would be pretty critical to find corporate sponsors. Would be really tough to run out of your garage.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 4:19:15 GMT -6
coachhuey.com/thread/82760/worst-playoff-systemThey essentially did not know that the Born formula was essentially a point spread. The NJSIAA did not know anything about it even though they went ahead with it. A teams final rating number from last year carries over to the following year giving historically good teams a built in advantage And...The only coach who knew the formula (and was the biggest advocate for the change) of course did enough to get a 1 seed with a 5-4 record... Ha! I forgot about the other thread. I even liked a post on it. I blame the CTE...
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 4:17:45 GMT -6
The Illinois system is pretty sound. 256 teams (about half of the schools in Illinois) qualify for the playoffs divided into 32-team brackets across 8 classes. Conference champs and all 6,7,8, and 9-win teams are automatic qualifiers. The remaining spots are filled by 5-win teams that can get an at-large bid if they have enough "playoff points" (opponent wins). I think the cut-off this year was 38 or so. 5-4 teams whose opponents won 38 games got in the playoffs. 5-4 teams whose opponents won less than 38 games did not get in the playoffs. There is a tiebreaker in there, too. Wins of defeated oppoents, I think. There were 18 5-4 that did not make the playoffs this year. After the 256 playoff teams are determined, they are divided into the 8 classes. Smallest 32 schools are 1a, next biggest are 2a...all the way up to 8a. Then teams are seeded in the bracket based on regular season record and playoff points. Most classes have a north-south split (16 teams on the north side of the bracket, 16 teams in the south side of the bracket) except for 7a and 8a which go 1-32 (I think) and that's because most of those schools are located in the suburbs around Chicago. It is a pretty good system but there have been criticisms: 1) About 15 years ago, the state high school association determined that the state champion would be a true representative of the entire state. What this meant is that the playoffs were set up so that the state title game would feature a team from the southern part of the state and a team from the northern part of the state, at least in classes 1a-6a. So, the two "best" teams in a class don't necessarily meet in the state title game. Often, the biggest games featuring the most talented teams occur in the quarterfinals or semifinals or even on occasion in the 2nd round. As a result, there have been some boring blowout state title games over the years (but some really great ones, too). 2) Seeding. It is all done by the numbers. Your seed comes down to your record and your playoff points. The result is that sometimes, teams with higher seeds have much tougher paths than teams with lower seeds. Case in point. Our team was the #3 seed in the bracket. We easily won our 1st-round playoff game (we were up 56-6 at halftime). However, the #2 seed in the bracket was in a dogfight and needed a touchdown within the last minute of the game to advance. The #1 seed in the bracket, the defending state 2a champion, has a very tough path. They are playing a team this week that has a couple FBS commits and if they win that game, they will be probably be playing a perennial Catholic football factory in the quarterfinals. 3) Interesting map reading. Ever year, it seems that there are a handful of teams that should clearly go either north or south but they end up going the opposite direction. Like I said...it is a pretty good system but it has issues, too. larrymoe...did I miss anything?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 31, 2018 19:22:29 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Oct 28, 2018 6:49:48 GMT -6
The clinic thread got me thinking. I’d like to find some really good small schools to maybe visit during the off-season. I’m looking mainly for schools in OH, TN and IN. If anyone is part of such a school or can point in a direction. I would greatly appreciate it. Is Illinois too much of a stretch? GCMS (Gibson City-Melvin-Sibley) High School is on a 24-game winning streak and has had only 1 losing season (they were 4-5 in 2012) since 2004. School enrollment is 312. They won the Class 2a state title last year (2nd smallest class in Illinois) and are a favorite to repeat this year. They won their first round playoff game Friday night 76-6. The high school is in Gibson City, about an hour west of the Indiana border.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 26, 2018 19:31:00 GMT -6
We're looking for 5 drills (stations) we can do regularly to build off season athleticism in our players. All of the generic football equipment is available (bags, step overs, shields, cones, ladders, large indoor turf area). No lifting. Let me know what you guys would do. I would 100% ditch the ladders. How about incorporating reactive agility drills? blogs.gopherperformance.com/2018/04/agility-workout-drills/
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Post by 19delta on Oct 26, 2018 0:25:28 GMT -6
Bob Ladouceur says in his book "if a parent wants to watch every clip of film with me on a Saturday then they can discuss playing time" He also states that he even avoids questions like "Hows Johnny doing??" Yup... And that philosophy extends to everyone that's NOT at our practices every day and breaking down film with us. We have a middle school coach that was showing up to our games on Friday nights and "critiquing" our LB play. "Why are you guys reading guards AD the back.. Wouldn't it just be easier to read flow?" Why don't the linebackers man up on routes coming through their zone?" Early in the season, I had a civil conversation with him about what he "was seeing" and told him how he could apply it at the JH level. He didn't do so and it was obvious he was just playing "analyst". He approached me right after a nail-biting win and I wasn't in the mood to talk to him. I politely told him that I didn't want to chat but he kept at it so I pulled him aside and we had a "discussion". I told him that his opinion held no water with me as he was barely around for our summer camps and workouts and hadn't darkened the door of one of our meetings. I then told him to take his thought on our linebackers to the HC if he felt so passionately about it but to leave me the alone. He did so and got an earful from the HC. I'm a PE teacher at our high school but not a high school football coach. I have a senior football player in one of my classes (strength and conditioning). Great kid....good attitude, nice athlete, and just a really fun kid to be around. He has a razor-sharp wit and finds a way to make me laugh every day! Kid plays running back and defensive back but has not got a lot of playing time this year. On probably half the teams in our league, he would be a two-way starter but he is a special teamer for us. Long story boring, I really like the kid a lot and wish he was getting to play more than mop-up duty at the end of the game. With that being said, I also recognize that I'm not at practice every day for 2.5 hours after school. I don't see what the football coaches have seen from this kid 6 days a week since the beginning of August. And even though I don't know what the coaches see, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that, if this kid was good enough, he would be getting more snaps than he is. The thing about football is that it seems to get easier the further away you get. But that distance also obscures reality and it's not fair to criticize the high school coaches if I don't have all the facts.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 25, 2018 19:03:49 GMT -6
Why though? Doesn't cleared mean cleared? If he were cleared in December wouldn't he face the same potential risk to re-injure as he would if he were cleared now and played against Purdue tonight? To be clear, I am not saying people should throw stones at Bosa. I am simply saying this is just a complex situation, for me anyway. Now, maybe OSU loses to Michigan in a few weeks, and it doesn't matter because their December/January games become "meaningless" relative to how the sports society now few games. And I am surprised I have this type of opinion, because I am not really a fan of the CFP. But where it gets sticky for me is there are 100+other guys who have been working hard for years to be a part of a championship team, but now because I got potentially a 15- 18 million dollar signing bonus (not sure if that is generational wealth, but it is still a nice chunk of change) with a potential total contract around 20-25 million for 4 years ..well, bye guys. Because College Football itself is a closed system with ridiculous responsibilities and restrictions. By withdrawing at OSU, Bosa is now free to work with an Agent, work with private rehabilitation facilities, private doctors who specialize in his injury, work with private trainers, be paid for endorsement, accept money from an agent for future earnings. These are tangible differences. If you want a real comparison, how about we compare what he has done to the coaching carousel. How many universities quit on their teams by firing a coach DURING the season. How many coaches quit on their team by accepting a new position before the bowl game? Why don't we look at the recruiting process. How many commits are processed (they make a verbal commitment, a better recruit then commits, and the first one is no longer signable). How many players have their scholarships non-renewed? The bottom line is the player was seriously hurt. By most reports he is out for the entire regular season and MAY have been available for a bowl game [IE, a scrimmage] or the playoffs. What percentage would he be able to play at? Does he risk re-injury by coming back for a Bowl game? Would it be better if he waiting until OSU lost to Purdue and THEN gave up on the team and withdrew since they won't be going to the playoffs. That's worse, IMO. This isn't Leveon Bell who is throwing a temper tantrum about the rules and being dishonest with people. This isn't a healthy player who is foregoing a season to save himself. This is a serious injury, and the BEST route back for the player is to be able to rehab in private and comfort with 1 on 1, professional care. That is not going to happen at OSU (or any college). A bad combine performance following this injury is a multi-million dollar risk. And I hate Ohio State, but any criticism of this is ridiculous. I agree with everything you said until you got to Le'Veon Bell. The Steelers front office and ownership made a business decision by franchise tagging him and potentially costing him millions of dollars on the free agent market. Why doesn't Bell get the same benefit of the doubt? His holdout is a calculated business decision. Good for him. I hope he gets paid.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 21, 2018 9:01:26 GMT -6
Might not matter if Bosa comes back. Sad Urban Meyer = My favorite Urban Meyer 😆
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Post by 19delta on Oct 20, 2018 20:59:52 GMT -6
My answer, in pretty much every case, is that I support the player doing whatever will result in getting the most money for himself. That would mean in the vast majority of cases, the kid not playing college football at all but rather starting in trade school, become an apprentice at the age of 17-18 as opposed to pursuing the multi disciplinary studies / Human Science / recreation management degree. Clearly, I was talking about players such as Bosa. But, as you always seem to need to get the final word and demonstrate what a clever wordsmith you are, congratulations. You got me.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 20, 2018 18:24:17 GMT -6
Let's focus here and not be ridiculous. We aren't talking about about some floozy leaving her hardworking, sad sack husband for a guy with a nice sports car or bigger dong. That's not what this is. In Bosa's case, this is wealth...generational wealth. But wealth that, nonetheless, could be fleeting if something bad were to happen. My opinion in this case is based on the assumption that Bosa has solid, credible advice that taking the rest of the season off won't hurt what must be an amazingly high projected draft position. In other words, if his goal is to be a Top 5 NFL draft pick and he has already secured that reality, there isn't any practical (however "practical" may be defined) reason for him to play for free any more and risk what he has acheived. So commitment has a price? The old joke with the punchline "we already established what kind of woman you are, now we just need to haggle the price" comes to mind. In all seriousness though, why did you (subconsciously) jump to mental image where you used the word "floozy". I am talking about an actual serious decision for a woman to leave one man because another man has more money. Just that idea brought out your choice of words, and yet is Bosa doing much different? You used the phrase "play for free". Lets say he was getting $2,000 a month? Now that he isn't playing for free, do you think that would change things? No, obviously not because of the dollar value difference. I am not saying that what he is doing would be considered "wrong". However, it surely throws a monkey wrench in the phrases coaches like to throw around when talking about the benefits of athletics. Especially football in the face of the mounting evidence involving "you know what". It is a complicated situation for me, that much is certain. Dude...I have already said, in numerous posts, that Bosa is acting 100% in his own interests. Why do you seem intent on fighting a straw man? My contention is that, while Bosa might be acting selfishly, IN THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO, I agree with the player acting that way.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 20, 2018 16:12:31 GMT -6
Yes. Agreed. That is precisely what he is doing. And, in this particular case, I don't have a problem with him doing it. In regards to your point about Bosa getting hurt in a car wreck...yes, that could happen. So Bosa needs to carefully consider EVERYTHING he does between now and to the point where he is actually signing an NFL contract. But to the wife/husband arrangement. That would be the same. One would be leaving the other hind to protect/improve their own interests. A kid who quits HS football in the middle of the year to practice basketball (his better sport) would be leaving his teammates behind to protect/improve his own particular interest. Let's focus here and not be ridiculous. We aren't talking about some floozy leaving her hardworking, sad sack husband for a guy with a nice sports car or bigger dong. That's not what this is. In Bosa's case, this is wealth...generational wealth. But wealth that, nonetheless, could be fleeting if something bad were to happen. My opinion in this case is based on the assumption that Bosa has solid, credible advice that taking the rest of the season off won't hurt what must be an amazingly high projected draft position. In other words, if his goal is to be a Top 5 NFL draft pick and he has already secured that reality, there isn't any practical (however "practical" may be defined) reason for him to play for free any more and risk what he has acheived. To your second point about a HS basketball player quitting the football team to practice his basketball skills...that kid is NOT guaranteed a professional sports contract that may ultimately be worth tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 20, 2018 12:23:07 GMT -6
And if he gets hurt like that Notre Dame kid a couple years ago? The leverage comes from his ability to do this and not hurt his NFL stock. And if he gets in a car wreck ? I am just pointing out his decision for what it is. Leaving his teammates behind to protect his own interests. Yes. Agreed. That is precisely what he is doing. And, in this particular case, I don't have a problem with him doing it. In regards to your point about Bosa getting hurt in a car wreck...yes, that could happen. So Bosa needs to carefully consider EVERYTHING he does between now and to the point where he is actually signing an NFL contract.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 20, 2018 11:21:48 GMT -6
He isn't running a power play. But his value may never be as high as it is now. Value to himself AND to the 100+ teammates trying to win the 2018-2019 College Football Playoff Championship. I was confused by your use of the word leverage. He isn't using any leverage here, he is simply saying "sorry guys, I know we have been working for this for 3 years, but I gotta make sure I get mine" And if he gets hurt like that Notre Dame kid a couple years ago? The leverage comes from his ability to do this and not hurt his NFL stock.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 20, 2018 11:14:16 GMT -6
The difference is that in a marriage, both the husband and the wife have equal obligations to each other. Not the case in the college coach-player relationship. The player has zero leverage for the most part. So, when the player can get some leverage, it should be exploited. What leverage? He is bailing on the 100+ teammates that voted him captain. Not running a power play against his coach. He isn't running a power play. But his value may never be as high as it is now.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 19, 2018 21:34:38 GMT -6
Do you think Bosa is wrong for doing so? Or that Bosa's decision to shut it down reflects poorly on his character? It is a complex question. So many factors. He was voted captain by his team. His team that is in the hunt for the national championship. A hunt that wouldn't conclude until January 2019. A hunt in which he would be a tremendous asset for his team. So, since he has a reasonable expectation that he will be paid heavily this Summer, none of that matters? That is hard for me to accept. Does it matter that he is injured? What if he were not injured, but just said "you know what, I don't have anything left to prove" and hung it up. What if the team was not in the playoff hunt, but rather was well on its way to a solid Sun Bowl birth versus another middle of the pack ACC club? Does that change my opinion? I don't really know. If a wife/husband got approached by someone with more money than their spouse, is it ok to say "well sure, we made a commitment here, BUT man that is bank!" If you think about it, it isn't all that different. It is foregoing a commitment because it may hinder a future financial windfall. The difference is that in a marriage, both the husband and the wife have equal obligations to each other. Not the case in the college coach-player relationship. The player has zero leverage for the most part. So, when the player can get some leverage, it should be exploited.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 19, 2018 16:57:23 GMT -6
Actually, it is statistically more likely that a HS kid receive a scholarship offer than it is for a college kid to be drafted. Also, I will have to categorically disagree with you if you don't think that Nick Bosa is absolutely "The Man" in Columbus Ohio, and on a far far taller pedestal than any HS great is in his area. The players spend a great deal more time together with each other at the College level than their HS level, and my personal experience seems to be that the bonds between college teamates are stronger than HS. Again, the key here is that Bosa is saying in October "Nope, shuttin it down" when his team is a favorite to be in the college football playoff. There's a big difference between Bosa who is guaranteed millions compared to a HS kid whose career will most likely end when his college career is over. .09% of high school seniors make the NFL. Just think about that. If a HS kid sits out then he's getting bad advice. The odds of him regretting it 10 years later is extremely high. I generally agree with what you have said here. Your post makes me think about what happened to Maurice Clarett. Bad advice almost ruined that kid's life.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 19, 2018 16:53:13 GMT -6
But the coaches (at least college coaches) really don't care about the team, either. How many times does a coach pull up stakes to take a better paying or higher profile job? Coaches are concerned about the team as long as they are part of the team. They're not sitting out games waiting on the next opportunity. This isn't about moving from team to team--it's about not finishing the season. There are plenty of coaches who leave before the season. For example...guys leave before a bowl game. Regardless... What it comes down to for me is that the kind of kid who has the juice to do something like this is at the absolute apogee of his value. He may never be worth more again so I'm not going to cast dispersions on him for cashing out.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 18, 2018 23:13:36 GMT -6
Been happening for years. Had a kid call it a day a couple years ago after week 3 with a sore knee. Tried to come back in semis when he saw we could win it all. Conditioned him for two weeks didn't let him take a snap. His Dad was PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What was the kid doing the whole time that he was injured? Week 4 to the semis is what...over 2 months? Was the kid still around the team all that time he was hurt or did he just stop coming to practice for 9 weeks and then show up the week of semis and say, "OK. Coach. I'm back and ready to play."? I'm assuming that, after having not played for such a long time, that he wasn't the best player at his position any more. So why was his dad angry? Did dad think that his son should just get his spot back?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 18, 2018 23:04:34 GMT -6
Again, the key here is that Bosa is saying in October "Nope, shuttin it down" when his team is a favorite to be in the college football playoff. Do you think Bosa is wrong for doing so? Or that Bosa's decision to shut it down reflects poorly on his character?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 18, 2018 16:32:24 GMT -6
It already has in some areas. You're in a time where lots of kids and parents are only concerned about their offers. They could care less about the team But the coaches (at least college coaches) really don't care about the team, either. How many times does a coach pull up stakes to take a better paying or higher profile job?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 18, 2018 16:27:35 GMT -6
Yes, I do think it will trickle down to the high school level to one extent or another. The real question is, should it be discouraged? I don't think it should be. I'm 100% on the player's side. The NCAA (and the NFL, for that matter) has made billions of dollars off these kids. The kids barely get table scraps. In fact, I would go as far to say that I hope that it continues to happen. The NCAA is a cartel and any method or tool that can weaken the power and control the NCAA wields over kids should be celebrated. I think someone here brought this up in a thread we had back when McCaffrey and Fournette sat out bowl games, I thought it was an interesting thought, so I'll steal it:
"How do you feel if an NFL player sat out the playoff because he didn't want to get hurt before free agency? Would you feel the same way? Would you think that's different? Why?"
I'm not actually prejudging this question, I think its fair to have several different opinions about this.
Its actually really weird the way the lottery winner like rewards around professional athletics affect the way we think about it.
I don't begrudge people from coming into a lot of money, I don't begrudge people from being risk averse when faced with the possibility of missing out on a lot of money.
I do strongly dislike the sort of implied notion here, that if athletic accomplishment isn't closely coupled with a lottery like reward it isn't as meaningful as when it is coupled with that reward
(sort of related, I also strongly dislike the idea that when someone has an athletic accomplishment that isn't followed by the lottery reward, that they've been cheated out of something) My answer, in pretty much every case, is that I support the player doing whatever will result in getting the most money for himself.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 17, 2018 18:21:52 GMT -6
No. Not enough high school players go D1 to make any impact. Yea you might have a couple kids around the entire country who may not come back after an injury, but I don't see this impacting high school ball. We had this conversation a few years ago when McCaffery sat out the bowl game. I guess it's easy to say now, but those saying it would impact his draft status or NFL career and trickle down to high school were way off. I have to disagree with the last statement a bit. While maybe it hasn't trickled down to high school in a few short years, we have gone from a few guys sitting out of 2nd tier bowl games to a team captain deciding to shut it down while playing on the #2 team in the country and likely playoff team. Yes, I do think it will trickle down to the high school level to one extent or another. The real question is, should it be discouraged? I don't think it should be. I'm 100% on the player's side. The NCAA (and the NFL, for that matter) has made billions of dollars off these kids. The kids barely get table scraps. In fact, I would go as far to say that I hope that it continues to happen. The NCAA is a cartel and any method or tool that can weaken the power and control the NCAA wields over kids should be celebrated.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 14, 2018 22:25:25 GMT -6
7th and 8th graders can play varsity football? That is crazy. How is that possibly safe? Sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen. Heck...in the 20 or so years I have been around high school football, I have never even seen a FRESHMAN who was a legitimate varsity football player, never mind kids still in middle school! In 2010 we started 3 freshmen on offense and went 10-2. One of them, the QB, was a 4 year walk-on at Alabama. Three on a successful team is probably fairly uncommon, but there are plenty of freshmen out there who can make an impact. Certainly it depends on the size of the school/the level of football being played, but they are out there.Few and far between. I would bet, without doing much research, that the vast, overwhelming majority of freshmen (and 7th and 8th graders, for that matter) who start on varsity do so far more out of need than they do out of talent. Guys like your QB who played at Alabama or Leonard Fournette? Most coaches will be lucky to have one or two of those guys in a career. If you get guys like that routinely, don't change jobs. And maybe start bottling and selling the local water...
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Post by 19delta on Oct 14, 2018 22:17:13 GMT -6
7th and 8th graders can play varsity football? That is crazy. How is that possibly safe? Sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen. Heck...in the 20 or so years I have been around high school football, I have never even seen a FRESHMAN who was a legitimate varsity football player, never mind kids still in middle school! Oh I have seen my fair share of great freshmen ball players. Leonard Fournette was a monster as a 9th grader.
Our state association allows 7th grade and up to play varsity athletics.
Hell, in week 3 vs a 4A team with nearly 1000 students, we started the 7th grader and 2 8th graders on defense. They are currently 7-0 and have one of the best offenses in the state. We lost 43-0, but could have been 143-0 if they wanted.
In my 20 years of coaching, I have NEVER coached or coached against a player of the caliber of Leonard Fournette. Now, I have seen freshman play on the varsity but that wasn't because they were legitimate varsity players. They played simply because the varsity needed to fill a spot and that kid was the best option. My kid is an example. He's been a two-way varsity starter since his freshman year but that's because our enrollment is about 315 kids. At a bigger school, he wouldn't have played varsity ball that early. I can't fathom a 12 or 13 year old kid playing against 17 and 18 and maybe even 19 year old men.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 14, 2018 18:53:30 GMT -6
7th and 8th graders can play varsity football? That is crazy. How is that possibly safe? Sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen.
Heck...in the 20 or so years I have been around high school football, I have never even seen a FRESHMAN who was a legitimate varsity football player, never mind kids still in middle school!
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Post by 19delta on Oct 8, 2018 7:36:24 GMT -6
We got the first half in Friday night (winning 28-6) but then weather resulted in the 2nd half being postponed until the next day. The next morning, we find out that due to flooding, the 2nd half won't be played until today (Monday).
This is one of the longest postponements of a HS varsity game already in progress that I am aware of. Anyone have similar stories? Pretty crazy that we are still playing a game from last week.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 7, 2018 18:19:46 GMT -6
Many years ago, a buddy was coaching an 8th grade basketball team. One of the kids on the team, a real dip$hit who enjoyed his 3 years of middle school so much that he spent an extra 2 years there, wrote an email to the coach that went something like this:
"Dear Coach ______,
I regret to inform you that I will be resigning my position on the _____ Middle School 8th Grade Basketball Team effective immediately. This decision was not made easily but it was a long time coming. Thank you for your time and good luck on the rest of the season.
Sincerely,
15-Year-Old 8th Grader"
Was one of the most bizarre things I have ever read.
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