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Post by 19delta on Jan 5, 2019 22:30:03 GMT -6
I can honestly say, in almost 20 years of off-and-on coaching, I have never seen anything even remotely approaching that scenario. I guess I am worried about it because I was that kid. I used to take androstenedione in high school before Mark McGwire got it banned. He was the guy that turned me on to it. You could buy it anywhere for about $100 a bottle in 2003. It took my bench from 250 to 350 and squat from 365 to 500. I went from 200 lb to 220 and dropped my 40 from 4.9 to a laser timed 4.7. All of this happened in a summer. I went from an all conference honorable mention type to all state type of linebacker. I wasn't even that technically sound but I put kids on stretchers frequently and that big hit highlight tape was enough to get me recruited. I feel bad about it after all these years so I kinda keep an eye out for it. I was taking about double the recommended amount and never had any type of side effects. Granted I wouldn't classify it as a super serious steroid as it is just a prohoromone, but it drastically affected the course of my life. The worst part about it was that once guys on the team figured out what I was taking, it became common place for other kids on the team to go and steal the stuff from supplement stores. We would give the stuff away to guys we thought it would help. The entire defense was on it except the corners because we couldn't get them in the weight room anyway (basketball guys 😂) we went from 3-5 to 7-1 and won the conference the next two years. Honestly I think our coach knew and didn't care because of how much progress we were making. I don't think it was technically illegal at the time, but androstenedione is definitely banned now. What a shining example of a team captain I was. Now imagine if we got our hands on Test or d-but or something. It was cheating on a large scale. Two things... #1 You weren't breaking the law or even cheating. #2 You still had to train hard. I think you are giving too much credit to the PED you took and not enough credit to the work you put in the weightroom.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 5, 2019 0:10:40 GMT -6
There is really nothing you can do. In fact, if you accuse a kid, you had better have really good evidence that a kid is using. If not, you might find yourself in a real sh1tstorm. I think the biggest misconception is that steroids are a magic bullet. The thing is, if someone is taking steroids or performance enhancers, they still have to train. They are not going to get swole sitting on the couch playing video games. So, if you have kids who are big and strong from taking performance enhancers, those kids would probably have been your biggest and strongest kids anyway. I just think it's so weird that testing at every other level in every sport is such an everyday occurrence. It's just a truth In sport. . Yet, at the high school level where it probably matters the most, it's taboo. I thought it was our responsibility to look out for these kids welfare. I'm more concerned for the poor 150 lb sophomore quarterback who gets his career ended by the 19 year old 250 lb super senior gorilla who is maiming children to get his shot at a scholarship. Isn't that scenario where the real liability and ethical dilemma lies? It should be worth pissing off one kid to ensure a level playing in a sport where severe physical talent disprepancies get people severely hurt. I can honestly say, in almost 20 years of off-and-on coaching, I have never seen anything even remotely approaching that scenario.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 4, 2019 20:07:17 GMT -6
There is really nothing you can do. In fact, if you accuse a kid, you had better have really good evidence that a kid is using. If not, you might find yourself in a real sh1tstorm.
I think the biggest misconception is that steroids are a magic bullet. The thing is, if someone is taking steroids or performance enhancers, they still have to train. They are not going to get swole sitting on the couch playing video games.
So, if you have kids who are big and strong from taking performance enhancers, those kids would probably have been your biggest and strongest kids anyway.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 13, 2018 22:25:15 GMT -6
Most of the school around here are more or less vertically alligned from the 7th grade through high school.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 12, 2018 22:05:21 GMT -6
Rogue deadlift bar. You use one once you will never want to dead lift without it again.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 12, 2018 4:11:24 GMT -6
Side note-- the number of players sitting out of bowl games this year has reached double digits. Good for those kids. I hope it continues to be an issue for the NCAA.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 3, 2018 20:03:58 GMT -6
Our freshmen get numerals (grad year). FS players get a JV letter. I think all of our guys get a varsity letter after their junior season.
For a freshman or sophomore to get a varsity letter, they have to pretty much be a starter.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 28, 2018 18:06:02 GMT -6
We have a new HC this year. Young guy.
Week 2, we are playing one of the second-tier teams in our league. They just aren't very good and we are loaded. We are way more talented.
We should be blowing these guys away but they are playing tough and giving us everything we can handle. Finally, towards the end of the 3rd quarter, we take control of the game. But they are still playing hard and never roll over.
We have the ball at the end of the game, up 26-16. We drive down inside the 5 yard line. But, rather than punch in a meaningless TD to pad the score, our HC has the QB take a knee on all 4 downs and runs out the clock.
I thought that was a classy move...a real tip of the cap to those kids and their coaches for a tough, hard-fought game.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 28, 2018 8:20:28 GMT -6
Defense is an odd front. Usually 2 deep safeties. And has been lights-out this season. They expect to score on defense. Quarterfinal game last week against a really good Catholic power, the scored on a fumble and INT return.  Offense is multiple. The run lots of I with a wing or double wing. But also really good out of 2x2 and 3x1 shotgun. Lots of jet motion. Should also mention their special teams. They have a kid who kicked a 50-yard field goal last year as a junior. They are playing on a 75-yard field. Any drive that get to the opponent's 25 is probably coming away with at least 3 points. thanks for the information. Are they an 8-man school? No. 11 man. Repeated this year as Illinois Class 2a champs. They are on a 28-0 run over the past two seasons.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 21, 2018 10:59:34 GMT -6
In my opinion, we all "teach" things that are illegal, IF we feel the reward outweighs the risk. For example, if I tell OL all the time to keep their hands inside the frame of the body and grab the breastplate and it gets called holding, although it is a judgement call, I can't complain about the penalty, I knew it was possible going in. In this situation, there isn't any "judgement" to be made, trying to hide numbers through uniform design. How can an official not call a penalty if this TE catches a pass in the end zone wearing number 55, unless I'm misreading the original post? The OP said his buddy was going to sub out a player wearing an ineligible number with a player wearing an eligible number. So, on that particular play, there would only be 4 players numbered 50-79 on the field. The player who subbed in would be wearing an eligible number but would "hide" by lining up as an offensive lineman. That player would then presumably be sent out on a route to be thrown the ball.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 21, 2018 9:56:53 GMT -6
I didn't know that was against the rules. What rule are you defensive players breaking? I'm not being an a$$. I honestly don't know. Wow. I have to say I am a little surprised considering the amount of time you visit this board, and the amount of times it has been discussed. Of course, about 3 weeks ago I discovered that my flag belts (for flag football/flag tag etc. ) are adjustable after only 11 years of using them in my elementary PE classes. So I think win this round of "Ooops". Meh. I haven't coached high school football since 2009. I mostly stick the strength and conditioning forums.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 21, 2018 5:56:37 GMT -6
Cant block below the waist unless both players,and the ball, are still in the Free blocking zone. 1. I think its a terrible rule 2. Idk what else to tell a kid whose giving 80 pounds up to a kid coming to try and knock hi head off and I cant sit there with a straight fface and tell him to take it on standing up and wrong arm it 3. Sometimes its not called So we're going to cut his ass down until the officials actually show us they are willing to make that call. I get that. But it is still poor sportsmanship and cheating, regardless of how or why you justify it. In your defense, it highlights the problem with having bad rules: They don't get enforced. Not any different than the RPO. How many times should flags be thrown for an illegal player being downfield? Often. But it seldom gets enforced. And that lack of enforcement encourages coaches with a highly flexible definition of sportsmanship to get away with stuff that is clearly against the rules.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 21, 2018 5:30:07 GMT -6
I didn't know that was against the rules. What rule are you defensive players breaking? I'm not being an a$$. I honestly don't know. Cant block below the waist unless both players,and the ball, are still in the Free blocking zone. That is good to know. I honestly thought that only applied to offensive players.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 21, 2018 0:16:49 GMT -6
We teach out LBers and SS types to cut the legs of OL coming to kick them out. It's a rule violation, I know it is, IDC tell them you cut them down and spill the ball until we get flagged if we get flagged from there on we have to take it on standing up to spill it. It's what's best for our kids and it's what's best for undersized LB's and SS's who are being kicked out by OL's they are giving 80 pounds up too. I didn't know that was against the rules. What rule are you defensive players breaking? I'm not being an a$$. I honestly don't know.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 21, 2018 0:13:26 GMT -6
This comes with a penalty. Not on the same tier as cheating. There is a penalty too if you have a player run in off the sideline after the snap to catch a pass behind the defense. There is a penalty too if you intentionally hold while your punter runs out the clock. And I imagine there is a penalty for violating rule 7-2-5 which states "On the first three downs, you can only have one interior lineman, the long snapper, wear an eligible jersey number. At least four others must wear ineligible numbers. " This was the one I mentioned initially.  No. There is a clear line between taking an action that you know will result in a penalty being called (letting the clock run down) and trying to get away with something that is clearly against the rules. That is the difference between gamesmanship and making a mockery of the game
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Post by 19delta on Nov 20, 2018 20:36:14 GMT -6
carookieThe play your buddy drew up is not "technically" illegal. It is illegal, period and he should be shamed and ridiculued if he ever tries to run it.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 18, 2018 22:58:50 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Nov 15, 2018 17:12:13 GMT -6
Is Illinois too much of a stretch? GCMS (Gibson City-Melvin-Sibley) High School is on a 24-game winning streak and has had only 1 losing season (they were 4-5 in 2012) since 2004. School enrollment is 312. They won the Class 2a state title last year (2nd smallest class in Illinois) and are a favorite to repeat this year. They won their first round playoff game Friday night 76-6. The high school is in Gibson City, about an hour west of the Indiana border. Do you know what they run on offense and defense? Defense is an odd front. Usually 2 deep safeties. And has been lights-out this season. They expect to score on defense. Quarterfinal game last week against a really good Catholic power, the scored on a fumble and INT return. Offense is multiple. The run lots of I with a wing or double wing. But also really good out of 2x2 and 3x1 shotgun. Lots of jet motion. Should also mention their special teams. They have a kid who kicked a 50-yard field goal last year as a junior. They are playing on a 75-yard field. Any drive that get to the opponent's 25 is probably coming away with at least 3 points.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 12, 2018 17:39:06 GMT -6
If I lived anywhere near OH I would would contact London HS just in the odd chance I got to meet Jim Wendler. ...and get one of those "Wendler Built" t-shirts!
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Post by 19delta on Nov 8, 2018 15:47:12 GMT -6
Just remember, when you eat a banana, always bring the banana to your mouth, never your mouth to the banana.  Never make eye contact with anybody either... Ha!
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Post by 19delta on Nov 8, 2018 15:46:49 GMT -6
I can see why the original poster doesn't like it though, it's not something you can put your finger on but it just seems flippant, like when you have a class rule that you can't flip bottles, so a kid start rolling it around the desk, and when you ask him to stop he says "what? what?...you said we can't flip it didn't say anything about not rolling it"......that kind of thing..I've never met this pear-eater and likely won't but I can tell ya right now I'm not a fan, besides who just eats a pear in the first place? It's not exactly in the upper echelon of hand held fruits, a good granny smith apple or a banana does the job just fine, feels like the pear is just being over the top, like "not only am I going to eat at practice, I'm going to eat this way too juicy fruit where the stem breaks off really easily" Just remember, when you eat a banana, always bring the banana to your mouth, never your mouth to the banana.  That is awesome!
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Post by 19delta on Nov 8, 2018 15:46:07 GMT -6
I coached for a guy - he was a single guy in his late 30's - whose mom would bring him a big hoagie and a giant mason jar full of sweet tea everyday during summer practices. He'd sit in the shade with his mom, pounding his sandwich, while the rest of us coached. When he was done he'd rejoin practice still drinking from his mason jar. He was a heck of a coach but everybody thought he was nuts. you better be a hell of a ball coach or a MMA fighter on the weekends to pull this off, I kinda love it honestly, I mean who wouldn't want to hang out with mom on a hot summer day, got a bad feeling this dude's future wife is going to have some serious hills to climb "I thought maybe today you could tell your mom that I'm going to bring the sandwich" "........but.....but...mom does that Becca" Yes. And it would definitely be "Mom does that" and not "My mom does that". 😆
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Post by 19delta on Nov 7, 2018 19:58:20 GMT -6
Ok, this is has been entertaining but does a hot dog or slice pizza change your opinion on the situation. Yes. I would view that differently. I don't know why. Maybe there is a calorie threshold?
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Post by 19delta on Nov 7, 2018 19:08:35 GMT -6
sometimes during a lull in practice when I need an energy boost I like to have a good fresh beet
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Post by 19delta on Nov 7, 2018 19:04:54 GMT -6
how about just a straight up dinner, fork, knife the whole deal, cutting meat and coaching em up Napkin tucked in the shirt collar...
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Post by 19delta on Nov 7, 2018 19:03:16 GMT -6
flexbone takes about 10 minutes to eat , in the middle of practice, could eat on the walk to practice field or drive over but waits till on the field. I like the power of the pear! What does he do with the core when he is done? Does he just chuck it somewhere? Is there a big, rotting pile of pear cores on the practice field?
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Post by 19delta on Nov 7, 2018 17:38:37 GMT -6
Pears > apples
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Post by 19delta on Nov 7, 2018 17:37:51 GMT -6
One time a coach brought a bottle of Mountain Dew out to practice. I think he even took a drink out of it while his players ran to get water during a break. did he coach in an X-treme way after that? I bet he coached the snowboard team, too.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 2, 2018 18:46:03 GMT -6
From what I've seen, unless it's somehow acrimonious or there's cause involved, they'll call the guy in, deliver the news, he has a little time to sort out his office, and they make a press statement. Asking for his gear back would look weirdly petty, Al Davis-esque. It's not like he's likely to wear it around, and it would be really weird asking him to rummage through his closet to find an outstanding polo. Both parties have a desire to move on. Contracts being contracts the team will have to pay him out for the duration usually. In college there's sometimes complicated buyouts because there's more risk of guys getting poached so both parties try to write in some protective clauses. In the NFL you can't poach another team's HC so that's not a concern. There's not a lot of IP that he could steal that's of any value, it's pretty much all in his head already anyway. If he wants to sell off his knowledge of the team's system he doesn't need to take anything with him. There's not usually a need to have him be walked out, and it's typically timed so that it all happens off-peak hours. The actual firing is a pretty uneventful meeting with HR, the owner/GM, and maybe "Tessio." Of course, if he's being fired for cause this becomes a whole different thing. HR may box his stuff for him and walk him directly from the meeting to the parking lot. Everyone's on electronic keys nowadays so they'd email Bob at security to cancel his card. I was joking about giving the gear back.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2018 22:32:40 GMT -6
I have been reading about Hue Jackson's firing in Cleveland. Question I have is, what exactly is the procedure for firing an NFL head coach, or even a college coach at a high profile school?
Does security escort them out of the building? Are they able to come back after hours to clear out their office? Do they get to keep all their team gear? Does someone from HR talk to them?
Just interested in how it works. The one time I got fired from a coaching gig, it was by certified letter.
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