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Post by 19delta on Feb 16, 2019 19:53:12 GMT -6
Well...that is a little different. You can't coach 6'8" or build it in the weight room. I can see why colleges would be interested in a sophomore with that kind of size. We had an OL/DL a year ago. 6'7", 315lbs. Nice kid and a hard worker but wasn't even the best lineman on the team and he is on scholarship at an FCS school. What happened with your 6'8" kid? Did he ever pan out? No he was horrible lol just one of those kids who never got coordinated at that height. Super nice kid and he even knew he's wasn't a player. Wasn't even good at hoops. That's why we laugh about it still. My freshman year in high school, we had a senior basketball player who was 7'2". He received a scholarship to a Big 10 school...I think Wisconsin. Anyway, he lasted a year there. Ended up as 6th man at a D3 school. Just couldn't play.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 16, 2019 12:05:18 GMT -6
We a kid few years ago who was 6'8 play for us as a soph. He was like a baby giraffe out there. Great kid just not comfortable in his body. So he was an OL and we had him listed on max preps as an OT. The amount of mail he got from colleges was absurd, one service had him listed as a two star without anything on him. Couple coaches even called from Power 5 schools. It's insane. Well...that is a little different. You can't coach 6'8" or build it in the weight room. I can see why colleges would be interested in a sophomore with that kind of size. We had an OL/DL a year ago. 6'7", 315lbs. Nice kid and a hard worker but wasn't even the best lineman on the team and he is on scholarship at an FCS school. What happened with your 6'8" kid? Did he ever pan out?
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Post by 19delta on Feb 13, 2019 9:03:16 GMT -6
What I took away from that story is that the kid's dream school offered him a schollie and he thought that it was "tacky" to take it. Then, before his signing was confirmed, he posted this on Christmas Eve? I'm not sure how sorry I feel for the guy. Interesting. I did not get that idea at all. The way I read the story, the kid was operating under the impression that LSU had offered him a scholarship when in fact that was not the case. The kid did not understand that the initial "offer" he received from LSU was not official. I do think that kids and parents need to take the responsibility to be better educated. They can't trust that college coaches are going to be honest with them.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2019 18:26:52 GMT -6
Some of the tactics mentioned in the article have led me to believe the system "should" switch to one with instantly binding acceptable offers managed by a clearinghouse. For example : Florida State really likes Joe Kane. They want to "offer him" a scholarship for the class of say 2022..they create an entry in the data base, To accept the offer, Joe Kane must do so through the data base. As soon as he does, boom.. binding. Should Joe Kane crap out and not be a great player, to bad. Yeah. I agree. That would make a lot of sense. The problem is that the college programs would never go for it. It is simple economics. There are way more kids who want scholarships than scholarships that are available. There really is no incentive for the colleges (or the NCAA, for that matter) to change the current business model.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2019 9:32:53 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Feb 11, 2019 14:14:04 GMT -6
My conspiracy theory is that they major players will try to leverage their way into an actual NFL franchise. If the league grows and gains market share in the football entertainment industry, maybe it morphs into a competitor to the NFL and everything changes. Probably not but I just read a book about the Raiders a while back and I remember that it talked about how Al Davis did something along these lines to obtain his team. My understanding is the contracts have an exit clause for the NFL. The reason the contracts are for three years is so the XFL can't poach AAF players next spring.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 11, 2019 8:06:45 GMT -6
I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not saying that the AAF is trying to compete with the NFL. What I am saying is that the real football guys who run the AAF had better find a way to encourage more offense because people aren't going to watch games when the halftime score is 6-3. And for it to continue to be viable, it has to be entertaining. I don't think the average football fan would have found the first three games particularly entertaining. If I opened a pro football league, I wouldn't concentrate on trying to be big or big-time. Rather, I'd focus on maximizing profit margins. Sell a product that's different, not necessarily better quality objectively. All you need is some audience that prefers what you've got, doesn't have to be anything like even a large minority of fans for football generally, & then keep costs down. Don't need the avg. fan. But if people aren't watching, there isn't going to be any profit.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 22:30:40 GMT -6
I believe his point was that fans, accustomed to NFL stat line performances , may not be enamored with 60% completion rates and multiple interceptions. If the games are entertaining (however you define that) and competitive, the marketing is good, and the business plan is solid... Well, then, maybe they'll succeed. I sure hope they do. After a weekend of games this seems to be the best chance for a 'minor league' football league to succeed that we've seen in a long time. And who really wants to be forced to watch basketball? I agree. I want it to succeed. More football is good.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 21:39:05 GMT -6
"Quality football" is a subjective term. Football coaches would define "quality football" much differently than football fans. But I digress. I do agree that OL play has been bad. In the games I watched, there had to be well over double digits in sacks. Given the rules limiting the number of pass rushers and from where those pass rushers can come, that is definitely an area that needs to be addressed. Maybe you define 'quality football' differently than I do, but I've been coaching for 14 years, so I don't see your point... Arizona's QB has 275 passing and 4TDs halfway through the 4th. Right. You are a football coach. As such, you have a decidely different perspective on the intricities of the game as compared to some casual fan who is simply looking to be entertained for 3 hours. Regarding the Arizona QB's performance, the AAF is going to need much more of that to keep people watching.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 21:10:45 GMT -6
I don't think that is very "efficient" at all. What is that? About a 60% completion rate? That would be just average for a high school kid. Even if we can set that aside, "efficient" is not going to keep fans watching. How many TDs passes were thrown in the 3 games so far? And how many INTs? And how many of those TD passes were big plays? Both of those guys most definitely played quality football. I think it was pretty clear if you watched the games. Some of the other quarterbacks have not, but the offenses in the ongoing Salt Lake vs Arizona game have been fairly productive so far. As to whether their play will 'keep fans watching', I haven't a clue. The initial ratings have been very good, but if the quality of play is bad that obviously will not last. But I'd say that through week 1 the biggest quality of play issue is the offensive lines being dominated. "Quality football" is a subjective term. Football coaches would define "quality football" much differently than football fans. But I digress. I do agree that OL play has been bad. In the games I watched, there had to be well over double digits in sacks. Given the rules limiting the number of pass rushers and from where those pass rushers can come, that is definitely an area that needs to be addressed.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 18:36:33 GMT -6
I'm not an offensive guru. But I have to wonder if NFL offensive schemes are being implemented with players, especially QBs, who aren't capable of executing an NFL offense, the results probably aren't going to be pretty. Perhaps it would be better to use more of a college offensive scheme if those are going to be the type of players the AAF is going to get? It is a good question. However, as I mentioned they seem to be trying very hard to be a developmental league not a stand alone enterprise , so mirroring the standard NFL offense is probably how they will proceed. Oof. Might be one and done if that is the case.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 18:28:50 GMT -6
I don't think that is very "efficient" at all. What is that? About a 60% completion rate? That would be just average for a high school kid. Even if we can set that aside, "efficient" is not going to keep fans watching. How many TDs passes were thrown in the 3 games so far? And how many INTs? And how many of those TD passes were big plays? Also though, they have had what..a month to practice (with NO OTAs or spring ball or any carryover from previous year etc) and only one "pre season" game. I don't disagree that they better get going in a hurry though. Seems like someone should be posting a "why don't they run the flexbone in the AAF" any minute now... REgarding the previous post, I wasn't trying to contradict you at all. I was pointing out a potential reason it is higher quality than the original XFL, and has a different goal than the XFL did. But you are right, they better get a bit better on offense in a hurry or it will flame out quickly. I'm not an offensive guru. But I have to wonder if NFL offensive schemes are being implemented with players, especially QBs, who aren't capable of executing an NFL offense, the results probably aren't going to be pretty. Perhaps it would be better to use more of a college offensive scheme if those are going to be the type of players the AAF is going to get?
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 18:02:25 GMT -6
Compared to the XFL, the quality of play is much better. With that being said, they are going to need to find a way to encourage more downfield passing. So far, the QB play has been pretty bad. Does anyone have a link for AAF box scores and stats? I couldn't find anything on the AAF website, ESPN, or CBS Sports. The xfl paid a whole lot less than this league. The AAF is making it clear they are absolutely trying to be a football league in "alliance" with the NFL. Not to compete with it. Also, they are definitely real football guys, not trying to be "football entertainment" I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not saying that the AAF is trying to compete with the NFL. What I am saying is that the real football guys who run the AAF had better find a way to encourage more offense because people aren't going to watch games when the halftime score is 6-3. And for it to continue to be viable, it has to be entertaining. I don't think the average football fan would have found the first three games particularly entertaining.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 17:56:17 GMT -6
Compared to the XFL, the quality of play is much better. With that being said, they are going to need to find a way to encourage more downfield passing. So far, the QB play has been pretty bad. Does anyone have a link for AAF box scores and stats? I couldn't find anything on the AAF website, ESPN, or CBS Sports. Perez for Birmingham was 19-34 for 252. Good stats. Gilbert for Orlando was 15-25 for 227. Also very solid. Pretty efficient QB play by those guys. I don't think that is very "efficient" at all. What is that? About a 60% completion rate? That would be just average for a high school kid. Even if we can set that aside, "efficient" is not going to keep fans watching. How many TDs passes were thrown in the 3 games so far? And how many INTs? And how many of those TD passes were big plays?
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 17:41:39 GMT -6
Compared to the XFL, the quality of play is much better.
With that being said, they are going to need to find a way to encourage more downfield passing. So far, the QB play has been pretty bad.
Does anyone have a link for AAF box scores and stats? I couldn't find anything on the AAF website, ESPN, or CBS Sports.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2019 10:27:05 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Feb 9, 2019 21:45:58 GMT -6
Watching the San Antonio-San Diego game. 0 TD passes and 4 INTS.
Oof.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 31, 2019 12:40:05 GMT -6
What does a company like this do, exactly,
It takes money from delusional parents.
Yeah. I get that. But what is it that companies like NSCA claim to do, exactly?
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Post by 19delta on Jan 31, 2019 11:59:07 GMT -6
Do you guys know anything about this company? www.ncsasports.org/My kid must have filled out some kind of online questionnaire and now I am getting text messages that say: "Hi. I just tried calling you to learn more about (name) as a potential college athlete. Please call me back at ***-***-**** - Richard, NSCA" As it is the exact same text message every time, it is obviously auto-generated. What does a company like this do, exactly, in regards to the services they provide? How much does it cost? My kid is NOT going to get an athletic scholarship. He's an above-average small-school athlete but nothing spectacular. Are companies like NCSA just a scam or do they offer any worthwhile benefits?
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Post by 19delta on Jan 30, 2019 21:49:29 GMT -6
I've seen it done two different ways. First, the AD or HFC creates a Google doc by cutting and pasting the school's logo or mascot and the kid signs that. But there is also an official form that can be downloaded from the NCAA. It's called a Celebratory Signing Form. They look something like this: goo.gl/images/aEWuTq
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Post by 19delta on Jan 29, 2019 15:41:15 GMT -6
Do you guys remember Kevin Hart, the kid who lied about being recruited? I think it was 2008. His high school had a school wide assembly, news crews were there. He did the whole hat thing. Turned out he made the whole thing up. How his high school coach, AD, or principal didn't catch the lie before it snowballed is beyond me. Not that Kevin Hart. I remember that. Crazy. The thing about that story is that it was plausible, at least on the surface. Hart was a really good high school player. I want to say that he was like 6-5 and about 300lbs...made All-State in Nevada, IIRC. Problem was academics. I think he was barely eligible and didn't even bother taking the ACT or SAT. With that being said, it was shocking that it got as far as it did. How no one, from the head coach to the school administration, unraveled the deception before hosting a televised signing ceremony is almost beyond belief. I guess that everyone involved just wanted so badly for the story to be true. Hart did end up playing college ball, I think maybe D2. The kid was pretty talented.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 29, 2019 15:26:55 GMT -6
I was "recruited" pretty aggressively by two D3 schools, one of which I attended. But, in regards to both schools, I would venture to say that the reasons they wanted me was mostly because I had an above-average ACT score, graduated from one of the top high schools in the Chicago suburbs, and came from a solid, middle class family that could pay the tuition.
I did end up being a 3-year starter and had a half-tuition scholarship for all four years. I graduated owing less than $20,000 and only paid about $3,000/year out-of-pocket for each of my four years there (1992-1996). I did a three-year hitch in the US Army and that paid off my remaining debt.
But I did not have any "signing ceremony". At graduation, the program simply listed what school I was attending and that I would be playing football.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 15:45:47 GMT -6
If there are kids who aren't washing their gear, it will get washed for them. We have a really slick set-up for doing that. Washer/dryer is right next to the locker room.
I also do that for my PE kids. I have a couple kids who break a sweat just walking into the gym. Those kids get their PE clothes washed daily. They would be pretty rank if they waited until Friday to bring their PE clothes home.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 15:30:01 GMT -6
Meh. I'm sure they are great guys and father figures and all that. It's the posting all over Twitter about what great guys and father figures they are that comes off as shallow and self serving. I often wonder if these guys would be such awesome role models if they couldn't post about what awesome role models they are. There are lots of guys out there...thousands of them...who treat kids fairly, show up on time, don't smoke, drink, chew, swear, or demean others in from of kids, and give the kids as much of an effort as the coach expects in return. The difference is that those guys don't have the need to market themselves as Football Jesus. Two different things.... Being a self promoter and Culture Bro is lame. But if your "just coaching" I think you are off the mark. But then again I don't hire those guys either. So it all works out in my corner of the football world. Fair enough. I am tracking. 👍 What do you expect from the guys you hire, above and beyond what I posted above? Are there specific requirements/duties you have for your coaches that fall outside the realm of traditional football coaching job requirements? How to you know which of your coaches are doing these things and which ones aren't?
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 15:15:36 GMT -6
It's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. It's also okay to be more. Meh. I'm sure they are great guys and father figures and all that. It's the posting all over Twitter about what great guys and father figures they are that comes off as shallow and self serving. I often wonder if these guys would be such awesome role models if they couldn't post about what awesome role models they are. There are lots of guys out there...thousands of them...who treat kids fairly, show up on time, don't smoke, drink, chew, swear, or demean others in from of kids, and give the kids as much of an effort as the coach expects in return. The difference is that those guys don't have the need to market themselves as Football Jesus.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 12:55:30 GMT -6
I haven't read the whole thread, but I could very well fo without the crusader coach who thinks they're rescuing every player on their team's life and soul. Cue the avalanche of responses where everyone brings up the 5 players out of the 1,000 they've coached who sent them a letter about how important they were in their lives. It's OK to just be a football coach. It really is.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 5:37:27 GMT -6
also the phrase "so it's just....." like when you talk X's and O's and are explaining something and somebody says "oh it's just cover 2" it's no mfer it isn't, if it was then we'd just call it mf'ing cover 2 I'm watching the Bama guy give a talk in Texas (of course, everybody here is vince lombardi) where he is describing their "switch" adjustment to 2 read....so a guy in the audience says "oh so it's just 2 man"....speaker says no..it's not just 2 man...... dude actually argues...."well it looks like 2 man" dude....guy coaches secondary for saban, but you probably know what the coverage is better than him because you guys beat mumford over at the their place 28-17.....unreal You can go 1-8 as long as that one win is against Mumford...
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2019 5:32:16 GMT -6
CULTure bros, "blessed to receive...", pretty much anything on twitter, 7 on 7, kids and parents way too focused on recruiting, people selling other people's X and O stuff repackaged/renamed, good thing the bell just rang or I would go on a while Kids getting "offers" from D3 schools...hmmmmm.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 6, 2019 6:01:28 GMT -6
I guess I am worried about it because I was that kid. I used to take androstenedione in high school before Mark McGwire got it banned. He was the guy that turned me on to it. You could buy it anywhere for about $100 a bottle in 2003. It took my bench from 250 to 350 and squat from 365 to 500. I went from 200 lb to 220 and dropped my 40 from 4.9 to a laser timed 4.7. All of this happened in a summer. I went from an all conference honorable mention type to all state type of linebacker. I wasn't even that technically sound but I put kids on stretchers frequently and that big hit highlight tape was enough to get me recruited. I feel bad about it after all these years so I kinda keep an eye out for it. I was taking about double the recommended amount and never had any type of side effects. Granted I wouldn't classify it as a super serious steroid as it is just a prohoromone, but it drastically affected the course of my life. The worst part about it was that once guys on the team figured out what I was taking, it became common place for other kids on the team to go and steal the stuff from supplement stores. We would give the stuff away to guys we thought it would help. The entire defense was on it except the corners because we couldn't get them in the weight room anyway (basketball guys 😂) we went from 3-5 to 7-1 and won the conference the next two years. Honestly I think our coach knew and didn't care because of how much progress we were making. I don't think it was technically illegal at the time, but androstenedione is definitely banned now. What a shining example of a team captain I was. Now imagine if we got our hands on Test or d-but or something. It was cheating on a large scale. I think you may be the only guy that got results from andro. There were other things at that time that worked really well but andro wasn’t one of them I think McGwire used andro as a prop to distract attention away from what he was really taking. That's why he left it in his locker so the reporters could conveniently see it there. The companies that produced and marketed andro should have cut McGwire a big check for all that free advertising.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 6, 2019 5:54:34 GMT -6
Two things... #1 You weren't breaking the law or even cheating. #2 You still had to train hard. I think you are giving too much credit to the PED you took and not enough credit to the work you put in the weightroom. One of the truly toxic aspects of steroid culture is the way the geared up kids turn into head-in-the-sand coaches’ go to examples of virtuous hard workers. But that is clearly NOT the case here. OP is obviously remorseful for having used a PED to the point that he is advocating screening for high school athletes. And he didnt even use steroids, just an OTC that ss not particularly effective and was legal and easily available at the time.
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