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Post by silkyice on Jan 16, 2020 13:08:16 GMT -6
We changed our philosophy on 7on7 this year and I think it made a huge difference. We do a short 7on7 on Tuesday just to see our basic routes against what our opponent likes to do. But Wednesday is where we do something different. It's Competition Wednesday. Here's how it goes. It's full speed best on best 7on7 for the skill guys. We run our own stuff on both sides of the ball. I know it doesn't help with game planning but throwing and catching is throwing and catching. Then we have three offensive linemen and three defensive linemen. They are doing live pass rush. So the DL is rushing the QB. Their job is to run by the QB and to a coach standing behind him. If the QB cannot throw it at the top of his drop or if one of the DL beats the OL off the snap then the defense wins the rep. But the rep isn't over. The QB immediately has to leave the pocket, the linemen are dead and it is scramble drill. We blast music during this session. The OL and DL coaches talk an insane amount of trash. Our DC runs all of his more exotic coverages. If he's ever going to experiment, this is when he does it. It was a great session this year and we made a ton of plays in scramble situations. How long was the period usually?
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Post by silkyice on Jan 16, 2020 9:48:57 GMT -6
We always have these 7 on 7 discussions.
I really think this would "solve" most of the problems of 7 on 7.
Just play real football minus blocking and tackling (one hand touch). And one more rule. A receiver cannot run a route through the tackle box. Meaning the RB can't just run right over the center and turn around for a 1 yard catch when it is 3rd and 1 or on the 1 yard line. Just put two cones where the tackles are.
And yes, this means you can run. But you have no blocking, so run at your own risk. This keeps LB's honest and adds play action and rpo's back in.
And yes, this means first downs are at 10 yards. And yes, this means no stupid points for a stop or interception or whatever. Just play.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 16, 2020 8:23:32 GMT -6
Weight room!
Get kids as strong and fast as you can. Get kids in shape. Make sure the kids know what to do and how to do it. Fundamentals and simple proven scheme.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 13, 2020 7:54:55 GMT -6
Someone on here years back said they ran defense 7 on 7 without throwing the ball. They were just looking for the defense to cover. They could get through a lot of reps in a short period of time and didn’t waste time chasing dropped passes. That was me. We did that when cover 2 was our base and 90% of what we ran. At a new school this year and ended up cover 0 most of the time. So we had to throw the ball this year at break on the ball.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 10, 2020 10:14:04 GMT -6
We have all heard that 7v7 is “not real football.” If that is the case, should we still be doing it? I am thinking about eliminating 7v7 scrimmages in the summer and 7v7 periods in practice. I am beginning to think that it builds more poor habits than good habits for my QB. Our kid looks really good in 7v7 periods but IMO it did not translate to game situation. In 7v7 he gets the ball out on time and goes through his progression but I think the “visual noise” of a pass rush is really disruptive to him. Instead of having a 7v7 period we would have a 11v11 pass/screen period. No blitzes but just a standard pass rush. We would still have a Pass Under Pressure (P.U.P.) period where we work against blitzes with no defensive backs. Has anyone here ever completely eliminated 7v7? I would really appreciate getting to hear your opinions on this. I think you are on the right track, but I definitely wouldn't eliminate from practice. I wouldn't do 7v7 though. I would have a controlled offensive pass period and a controlled defensive pass skell. Both of these periods could resemble 7v7, but aren't 7v7.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 9, 2020 10:00:56 GMT -6
I was just wondering if anyone does anything in practice to strengthen these joints. Our S&C does a tremendous job with our kids in the weight room but we still lost 4 Kats last year, 3 to knee 1 shoulder. Does anyone do anything in practice to help strenghten these areas in practice. I know we do some hard cutting agility drills for Warm up. I think some of these type injuries are just bad luck, but... I took over an 0-11 team that had multiple season ending acl's, shoulder injuries, concussions. We played a brutal schedule. 6 top 10 teams that all made it to the semi-finals or better (different divisions). We were super fortunate and had one game missed due to a concussion. One game missed due to an MCL strain. And one kid miss 4 games due to stress fractures in the foot. 4 games missed due to a broken ankle in a pileup on a qb sneak. The doctor told me that he actually would have cleared the concussion kid to miss no games, but since he had a bad one last year, it was game 2, and it was a non-area game, it was best to hold him out. I completely agreed. The MCL sprain would have been cleared to play also, but non-area game. Stress fracture in foot also happened the year before. Not sure how to prevent that. Bad luck on the broken ankle for 1 tech on a qb sneak. We just got stronger in bench, squat, deadlift, and push press. We do pullups and rows. We also upgraded our shoulder pads and helmets. Ironically the kid with the concussion had his own parent bought helmet. Same one from the previous year. Here is the takeaway: Get your kids strong. Sounds like y'all do. I do believe that can't just be bench and squat though. I think the deadlift paired with the squats do make a difference as they help prevent imbalances between the quad and hamstring and help protect the knee. Same thoughts with bench. You need the rows and pullups and push press. I am not crazy about dips. Completely anecdotal, but it seems like we had more shoulder injuries when we did dips. Feel free to flush that advice on dips. Put your kids in the safest equipment you can. Be lucky.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 21:04:25 GMT -6
No, it isn't really a semantic thing. The murder example will most likely never view it as a reward or trophy. The entire idea is to embrace a work is good mindset. It is simply a mindset. Why is running one sprint viewed as such a torture or punishment? That is the mindset that is trying to be changed. As I said, I use it.. it is a warm up type game. We play "rock paper scissorsize" Winner gets to do 5 reps of an exercise, loser only gets to do 3. There is no way as a coach to be consistent on this issue. Everyone is doing the weight training, plyo's, speed trianing, conditioning, etc. So everyone "gets" to train. If you are an intelligent coach, you have convinced your team that you are doing the correct amount. So any extra is just that, extra. Besides that, I am sure that this type of running or whatever is punishment type running. A gasser or or updowns pushups or something like that. Nothing that is going to really make you stronger or faster or heck, even in better shape, it is just going to make you more tired. If not, if it really will make you better, then why isn't the whole team doing it and a lot of it and every day? Another point about being consistent is what do you when the whole team is messing up during team time? So the first offense messes up during team offense, do you make the scout team go run a gasser or do 10 updowns? No, you punish the first offense by doing a gasser or updowns or pushups or whatever. So there is no way to be consistent with your team. And kids aren't stupid and they HATE being treated as stupid. Sure your idiot gung ho kids might think it is cool. But after a while what do you think the conversation is going to be like in the locker room after day 10 of summer practice when it is a 2-a-day and 105 heat index? Once - fine, cool, whatever. I bet the Michigan kids think it is stupid. One more thing, what happens when you beat my ass and you "get" to run a gasser. What happens if I run that gasser anyways? Is the coaching staff going to punish me? How? By making me run a gasser? Hahahahaha So you are mister cool hip guru advanced coach (not you, JH). So everything you do has to be different and you have all the answers on how to make kids compete. Surely you can think of something better than making the winners run. Just let the winners get the popsicles. Or get the popsicles firsts. Or be the first in line at the dinner table. I could brain storm for 5 minutes and come up with something better than the winners "get" to do the gassers.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 20:58:01 GMT -6
I can not believe I am still responding on this one. Hahahahaha But that is just semantics. The kid ain’t stupid. The guy that gets convicted of murder gets to have a lethal injection. He doesn’t have to. I do get it. It is all how you sell it. But am not going to be able to sell that more than once to 300 pound 17 year old boys. No, it isn't really a semantic thing. The murder example will most likely never view it as a reward or trophy. The entire idea is to embrace a work is good mindset. It is simply a mindset. Why is running one sprint viewed as such a torture or punishment? That is the mindset that is trying to be changed. As I said, I use it.. it is a warm up type game. We play "rock paper scissorsize" Winner gets to do 5 reps of an exercise, loser only gets to do 3. There is no way as a coach to be consistent on this issue. Everyone is doing the weight training, plyo's, speed trianing, conditioning, etc. So everyone "gets" to train. If you are an intelligent coach, you have convinced your team that you are doing the correct amount. So any extra is just that, extra. Besides that, I am sure that this type of running or whatever is punishment type running. A gasser or or updowns pushups or something like that. Nothing that is going to really make you stronger or faster or heck, even in better shape, it is just going to make you more tired. If not, if it really will make you better, then why isn't the whole team doing it and a lot of it and every day? Another point about being consistent is what do you when the whole team is messing up during team time? So the first offense messes up during team offense, do you make the scout team go run a gasser or do 10 updowns? No, you punish the first offense by doing a gasser or updowns or pushups or whatever. So there is no way to be consistent with your team. And kids aren't stupid and they HATE being treated as stupid. Sure your idiot gung ho kids might think it is cool. But after a while what do you think the conversation is going to be like in the locker room after day 10 of summer practice when it is a 2-a-day and 105 heat index? Once - fine, cool, whatever. I bet the Michigan kids think it is stupid.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 20:30:43 GMT -6
I understand. But the winner wins and he has to run. How is that not “making” him run? I have a kid that started every game in college on the OL. Great kid. High ACT. Already making over $100,000. Would do what you asked but also hated stupid stuff. He might have quit over this. GETS to ... not has to. That is the mindset. It is just a physical trophy. I can not believe I am still responding on this one. Hahahahaha But that is just semantics. The kid ain’t stupid. The guy that gets convicted of murder gets to have a lethal injection. He doesn’t have to. I do get it. It is all how you sell it. But am not going to be able to sell that more than once to 300 pound 17 year old boys.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 19:53:39 GMT -6
I am just telling you. Every single fat boy (the guys who win - o line and d line) will hate you if you make them run for whoopin someone’s ass. It might work once with a few fat boys. Maybe. Doubt it. Probably won’t. But that is it. Your wording is the issue. "Make" that is the entire idea. Did you "make" that kid go squat after winning the basketball title? As long as it is looked at as being made to run .. then yes, the idea is failing. If it gets to a point where it is looked at like a reward, a victory lap...then I would suggest you are wrong. Just my perspective. I use this with my elementary PE class all the time, so as to avoid instilling that exercises are punishment to 7 and 8 year olds. I understand. But the winner wins and he has to run. How is that not “making” him run? I have a kid that started every game in college on the OL. Great kid. High ACT. Already making over $100,000. Would do what you asked but also hated stupid stuff. He might have quit over this.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 18:41:02 GMT -6
One thing I am not opposed to doing and have done in the past, and believe it or not, has some value to it, is determine whether to condition or not based on the quality of practice. TBH, I've even asked kids what they think. To eval themselves. Haven't done it in a long time but when I did I almost always got an accurate response. Usually they were in agreement w/ coaches. At least then they see it as "yes we earned the break or no, we didn't". It also has helped me as a coach to really grow my respect for the kids when they are taking responsibility for a poor practice. You believe they are mature enough to self evaluate and take responsibility, but you don't think they would be able to adopt a "winner's sprint..we like to work" as opposed to "running is for losers" mindset? I am just looking at the mindset I believe Harbaugh was trying to instill. Obviously it has not been as successful as he wants (example, see my thread on their celebration of a win vs what proved to be a relatively poor Army team) I am just telling you. Every single fat boy (the guys who win - o line and d line) will hate you if you make them run for whoopin someone’s ass. It might work once with a few fat boys. Maybe. Doubt it. Probably won’t. But that is it.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 8:44:11 GMT -6
I think everyone understood the logic. I just think it is stupid logic. Again, Ohio State loves his logic and thinks he should keep doing it. is it? So training/exercise is a punishment? Are we really about to have this discussion? Hopefully the Michigan University football players are trained enough by the weight room, Winter, Spring, and Summer conditioning. Along with in-season weights and conditioning. If the Michigan players need extra gassers, then they ALL need extra gassers. This is 100% a mental/emotional ploy by Harbaugh. Sounds cool and all that but I bet by the 10th practice when the 350 pound o linemam just whipped someone and now has to run an extra gasser cause he just whipped that ass, he thinks it is pretty stupid also. While team success is not always a measure of whether something is good or not, maybe if JH could beat tOSU once, it would have a little more respect. Let’s play one on one basketball. If you win, you run 10 line drills. Let’s do that every day. How do you think you are going to feel about that on day 10.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 8:34:17 GMT -6
I always struggle when HS coaches compare themselves and what they do to D1 colleges, or use what they hear a D1 guy is doing. It's apples to oranges. You want to make the winners run? Go ahead Jim H, you have them by the balls b/c you hold their scholarships. You also tend to wear out your welcome more than anybody I have seen and usually leave most places in infamy. As for ME, I can't really justify it. . I dont think it is that big a deal. The logic behind it seems to be that by winning, they earned the right to work harder to improve “for Michigan “. The loser doesnt get that right Mindset is that work /running isnt a punishment but an opportunity- I think everyone understood the logic. I just think it is stupid logic. Again, Ohio State loves his logic and thinks he should keep doing it.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 31, 2019 9:21:02 GMT -6
It was like his first practice at Michigan. They had a competition and the winners “got” to run sprints while the losers “had” to watch. I don’t agree with the logic Ohio State does. They think it is great! Hahahahaha
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Post by silkyice on Dec 31, 2019 7:58:47 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines. Wait wut?
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Post by silkyice on Dec 30, 2019 18:08:01 GMT -6
Competition is natural. If your guys WANT to win, they'll try to do it. It's what guys do. I'm wondering if your question is more about coaching techniques...teaching someone who doesn't know something how to do it? You don't have to teach competition. You have to teach guys how to do things. BOOM!!
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Post by silkyice on Dec 14, 2019 8:49:08 GMT -6
The biggest issue, imo, is that Saban expects kickers to walk-on to the Alabama football team, and uses the scholarship to sign another position player. I know that’s the reason Eddie Pineiro went to UF instead of Alabama. I can’t speak for more recently, but I know that was the issue before, and immediately following the “kick six” game. As far as I know most schools expect kickers to walk on before giving them a scholarship. If they could just have 86 scholarships instead of 85, they could all give a kicker a scholarship. Actually, it should 89. They should be able to scholarship 4 deep on both sides of the ball before they hand one to the kicker. I mean the kicker is many times the leader scorer on the team and many times the whole game rides on his foot. But in no way is he more important than the 8th offensive guard.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 12, 2019 14:37:02 GMT -6
Basically for kicks of a certain distance you give points for a make and take away points for a miss. Further the kick, the more positive points it is worth if made. Opposite is true for closer/"easier" kicks. Add up all the kicks. Average kicker scores is a 0 and anything above 1 is above average. If I understand correctly. So does Alabama suck at it or not? Yes.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 12, 2019 8:05:39 GMT -6
A combination of both, and the reason I say that because while other coaches who have adopted his philosophies have also add their own concepts, Gus hasn't done much to show he's improved. Take Rhett Lashlee who is thriving at SMU because he hooked up with an Air Raid disciple completing the offense making it a well beyond solid attack. Gus has never developed a Quarterback on his own since arriving at Auburn. Jeremy Johnson is the perfect example for this topic. For whatever reason a two Quarterback system is against his religion, otherwise Malik Willis, and Joey Hardwood would still be on the Plains. A two Quarterback system isn't a problem if you know how to use them right. Urban Meyer won with Chris Leak and Tim Tebow back in '06 so it can be accomplished. If you have a young Quarterback, your running attack should have every form of misdirection and play-action outlets possible to keep pressure off of him. The RPO concepts should be updated and because it's not, the offense isn't evolving like Jeff Scott's version of the Spread Shotgun Wing-T. Good post. Malzahn's offense is awesome when the qb can and does run. Otherwise, not so much.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 11, 2019 11:01:54 GMT -6
One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is how it effects your interaction with the other sports’ coaching staffs. If you’re allowing kids to quit a sport and go directly to weightlifting you may not get support from the sports coaches. Example, I was an assistant football coach who was the head track coach. Another assistant football coach with the backing of the head coach, encouraged one of the track kids to quit and start weightlifting, I was peeved. The kid was not a superstar track athlete but I felt since he came out for track he should stuck with it. Plus, I thought track benefitted him as much as after school weightlifting did. Why wasn't he lifting as a track athlete? College track athletes lift. Olympic track athletes lift. ATHLETES lift! I agree with you that the coach shouldn't have encouraged a kid to quit track. That is wrong. I agree that you should have been peeved. But isn't the solution for all athletes to lift!! It shouldn't be a football lift. It should be an athletic lift.
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RPR
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Post by silkyice on Dec 10, 2019 14:25:18 GMT -6
This is not a slam against RPR. I am actually very interested in it. But this is a slam on these type of examples. I actually read this while in bed. So I was completely not ready to do anything. Got up and reversed the experiment. Took 10 deep breathes first and tried to touch my toes. Then took 10 shallow breathes and tried to touch my toes. And you already know what happened. My range of motion of motion was much greater the second time after the shallow breathes. Why? Because I was now more limber after already trying to touch my toes the first time. Go and research all these types of examples and you can see how they "trick" us into believing these types of things work. Again, not really trying to dismiss RPR. Hahaha I thought I was the only one! I'm a born skeptic. I'm always looking for more information, studies, etc when I see something that I question. I actually used my wife as my guinea pig. I told her that I would increase her hamstring flexibility in 10 seconds. I had her do a baseline, then rubbed under her clavicles (supposed to stimulate neck muscles, but she didn't know this). I then had her stretch her hamstrings again, and wouldn't you know, she was more flexible the second time around! More limber? Placebo? I'm not sure, but either way it worked! For the low price of $79.99 I'll show you how it's done Shoot me your bank account number and I will direct deposit the $79.99 into it. Better PM me directly because you never know about everyone else reading this thread.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 10, 2019 12:22:31 GMT -6
Our AD instituted a policy that if you start a sport you have 2 weeks to try it out. If you quit within those 2 weeks you are fine. But if you go longer you cannot go out for another sport without meeting with him first and explaining why this sport is important to you. Also when you quit you have a meeting with him citing the reasons for quitting 2 weeks of practice or 2 weeks of games?
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Post by silkyice on Dec 10, 2019 8:51:31 GMT -6
For example, take 10 quick shallow breathes and try to touch your toes. Next take 10 deep breathes and try to touch your toes again. You should have more range of motion. The reason being is that when you take quick shallow breathes your body associates that with your fight or flight response. When you take deep breathes your body relaxes and isn’t as tense. This is basically rpr in a nutshell. Getting your body and cns to function in a state of high performance. This is not a slam against RPR. I am actually very interested in it. But this is a slam on these type of examples. I actually read this while in bed. So I was completely not ready to do anything. Got up and reversed the experiment. Took 10 deep breathes first and tried to touch my toes. Then took 10 shallow breathes and tried to touch my toes. And you already know what happened. My range of motion of motion was much greater the second time after the shallow breathes. Why? Because I was now more limber after already trying to touch my toes the first time. Go and research all these types of examples and you can see how they "trick" us into believing these types of things work. Again, not really trying to dismiss RPR.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 9, 2019 14:01:07 GMT -6
2. He does lift. We have all of our players lifting in class all, year round. Ummmmmmm... This changes everything. What are we even talking about?
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Post by silkyice on Dec 9, 2019 11:24:31 GMT -6
Johnny wants to play football, but Johnny doesn't want to lift. Johnny is smart and watches what happens to kids who quit wrestling. Next year, Johnny joins the wrestling team and then quits. He does the same for baseball. Now he just got out of winter and spring lifting, but still gets to play football.
Isn't the solution for the strength training to be something all ATHLETES do, not just football players?
I understand the rule that when a kid quits football, he doesn't get to play basketball until football is over or when a kid quits basketball he doesn't get to play baseball until basketball is over, but I don't get the rule about not lifting.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 9, 2019 8:42:43 GMT -6
It was a little tongue in cheek but they run it more than you think. Very little Triple but a lot of Double. I see them as a modern day Nebraska from the 90s. Yes, but I was just pointing out that by your definition it is probably safe to say there are "option teams" in the top 10 in the FBS. Baltimore actually pitches the ball some which looks more like traditional option. Most college teams now have a bubble or rpo for the "pitch" phase.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 8, 2019 16:40:52 GMT -6
So, based on many of these posts...is it fair to suggest that perhaps the current offensive scheme are indeed superior as an OFFENSE to other schemes? Key point, the objective is to win games, not have the best offense. That said, given the fact that so many are running the zone read spread RPO type offense that it is seen week after week and great defensive teams still give up many more points than they used to, is this a "better" offense? Wing T guy here. Yes. The current modern offenses are better at producing points. Not always of course, but in general and schematically. Ask Alabama (their best, most explosive offense ever), if it was worth it to convert to an all out score as any points as possible offense.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 7, 2019 11:34:36 GMT -6
2A PA state title game yesterday Southern Columbia 74 Avonworth 7. They scored 74 unanswered points to win... I am going to go out on a limb and say that every time someone scores 74 unanswered that they win.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 5, 2019 8:48:05 GMT -6
Is this no matter what? Do the refs blow the whistle immediately on the snap? It wouldn’t be fair if the offense got to waste more time by waiting to take a knee. What if they are backed up inside the one of two? All good questions. I told them that the kids were just playing defense and he said, "the other team is giving themselves up." I just work within the boundaries of what ever crew is there that night because I have come to the conclusion that any swinging d!ck that can blow a whistle will get put out there so no need to argue. The officiating is very wishy washy here My take on the whole situation. If the game is not in doubt, no problem with the refs holding everyone off and getting the game over with. If the game is in doubt, play ball, make the offense snap it and take a knee, then protect the heck out of everyone. Nothing cheap anywhere from snap to whistle or after the whistle - which is how it should be anyways. But if the offense is to get extra protection, they don’t get to mess around either.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 5, 2019 8:03:14 GMT -6
They’re serious about it here. If you elect to take a knee you have won. We had a ref come to the sideline and tell me if one of our kids “fired out like that against a defenseless player he would be ejected” Is this no matter what? Do the refs blow the whistle immediately on the snap? It wouldn’t be fair if the offense got to waste more time by waiting to take a knee. What if they are backed up inside the one of two?
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