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Post by silkyice on May 18, 2021 20:17:42 GMT -6
I don't think it matters too much either way. I've never walked off a field thinking, "Ya know, if we had warmed up a little differently we might have pulled that one out." Just have a short, productive, organized way to get them moving and get the blood flowing. I think it's more important not to overdo it. Some teams will run pass routes forever in pregame in 90 degree heat in August and everyone heads back to the locker room soaked in sweat before the ball's even kicked off. THIS
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Post by silkyice on May 18, 2021 17:30:09 GMT -6
I have always wondered why everyone doesn't warm up the exact same for practice and a game. Don't you need to be ready to practice just as much as you need to be ready on Fridays? I'm not the smartest guy so this could just be crazy talk. This is EXACTLY what we do. We warmup for about two minutes. Go to specialty for 5 minutes. Everyday including game day.
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Post by silkyice on May 18, 2021 11:40:51 GMT -6
FWIW I will share what I learned about Pre-Practice Warm-Up early on. My college coach played for Paul Brown and PB was his mentor-idol. He also coached with Paul Dietzel at Army before he came to our school. So everything had to be very buttoned up, just so. And we did some Quick Cals like Dietzel did at Army just to "force" enthusiasm. When I first became an assistant and put in charge of "Warm Up" I did it the way I had learned it. Then I went to a clinic at Ohio State when Woody was at his height. The second day we watched a Spring practice. Disappointed by what I saw at first. The "Warm-up" seemed laissez-faire. Some kids had helmets on, some didn't. Lines weren't as organized as I was used to. Coaches didn't seemed to be paying much attention. They did some "static stretching," some Form Run without much enthusiasm or energy, kind of just going through the motions. I was somewhat shocked. But then the "real" practice started. And I had never seen such organized, fast-paced intensity, hitting, and situational practicing in my life. You could HEAR it and almost FEEL it and I was sitting in second deck of Ohio Stadium. So there may be more than one way to get it done, as long as the real business of Football gets taken care of. Love this!!
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 11:01:37 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion. In my humble opinion sports ultimately should be about having fun/recreation. You play sports to have fun, to get away from life for a bit; if I want to be miserable and stressed, that's what a job is for 😄. I can respect what silkyice and his folks did/do, if it was not a detriment and it helped, more power to them. However, if I were in your shoes (with the travel time), I would be more inclined to not have early saturday mornings, because to me, that could start to encroach on sports being about having fun/recreation. And, I absolutely agree about sundays being for family, religion, and also just "chilling out"/"recharging batteries" This also is similar to my philosophy believe it or not. I might should have listed this as a reason. But when we finished film on Saturday morning, we were DONE with that game. Mentally, emotionally, physically, and time wise. Done with it. That means the kids didn't really even have to worry about football again until Monday afternoon. If you wait until Monday, the kids have to worry about what the coaches or teammates will say about their game or even one bad play. That can be a little mtaxing and means that mentally and emotionally they could be connected with football the entire season with no disconnect. My way gives them "permission" to disconnect from Saturday at 11ish until Monday at weights. I honestly have never thought about it that way but that has always been in the back of my mind.
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 10:56:14 GMT -6
I do understand this. But I have been where a lot of games where 2-3 hours away and we would still get up early and come. Worked for us. Our general starting time was 9am. There are times we would back that up to 10am. There are also times we would move that up to even 7am due to a Bama game that started at 11am. Moving it because of Bama game, lol School was Tuscaloosa Academy. They all went to the game or worked the game, etc.
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 9:16:37 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion. I do understand this. But I have been where a lot of games where 2-3 hours away and we would still get up early and come. Worked for us. Our general starting time was 9am. There are times we would back that up to 10am. There are also times we would move that up to even 7am due to a Bama game that started at 11am.
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 8:37:45 GMT -6
This may be a silly question, but for those of you who say "some schools around us do, some schools don't", do you simply ask them about Saturday practices? Is this something that comes up in conversations at clinics? Reason I ask is I obviously know our program currently does not meet on Saturdays. I literally couldn't tell you if the 9 teams on our schedule do or don't. Just with talking with the coaches. I don't bring it up. It will sometimes just come up. Say we are playing XYZ. On Sunday the coach texts me and ask where they need to park the bus next Friday. I text back "how many buses?". He then texts me back at 5:30 and says, "Sorry for the late text. We just got done with practice. We are bringing two buses." So I now know they practice on Sunday. Or sometimes we just talk about it. In general, I (we) usually have pretty good relationships with each other and actually talk to each other. And coaches love to brag how much they grind. Ha
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 16:00:40 GMT -6
Maybe it's a stupid "rule"? Dude, what is your problem? The rule is just to tell the kids that game is over and move on to the next. Turn the page. Flush the last game. Don't let yesterday's good or bad ruin tomorrow. Your past is not your future. The past is the past. Insert whatever metaphor or cliche you want. It is a freaking outstanding rule for athletics and in life. Don't freaking meet on Saturdays and do what you want. As for us, we are going to kick ass on Friday, get up and eat chick-fil-a and krispy kreme, and then kick ass again next Friday.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 14:47:08 GMT -6
If you feel the rule is important on one end of the spectrum, why does the other end not matter? Ok. I am changing it to the 24 hour guideline instead of rule. And you have 100% misinterpreted that the 24 hour rule/guideline. "You have 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss." I mean it isn't like I bear crawl some kid or suspend if I see him smile when a friend says good game to him on Tuesday. It is 100% about their mindset. It is not that I give them 24 hours to go party or go cry with no team responsibilities.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 13:33:54 GMT -6
Jeez. The 24 hour rule isn't some kind of sacred 10 commandment that we honor or dishonor. It is a way to let the kids know the last game is over. Learn from it. Then flush it and move on. Pretty good life lesson if you ask me. I certainly wouldn't call it practice, rather a meeting, but fine. Maybe there isn't a difference. We also do nothing else over the weekend. The other schools around us come in on Sunday afternoons and actually practice. We don't meet as a coaching staff either. We text/talk, etc. when necessary. The kids enjoy it. We feed them chick-fil-a biscuits, krisy kreme doughnuts, milk and oj. We laugh. We get better. We win. If it doesn't matter in one direction, what does it matter in the other? Not understanding your point.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 9:23:52 GMT -6
Really? Sundays? I'm like, smack-dab in the middle of Godless, California and even here Sunday would be a non-starter. Surprises me also. But almost all big schools and/or good programs do it.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 9:21:17 GMT -6
As somebody said, getting kids there after a big win was easy, after losses it was not nearly as easy. And then the HC had to decide how he was going to handle that. There was always a few kids that routinely had some kind of excuse as to why he wasn't there. It created a problem for the HC because they were good football players.
Our rule is 100 yard bear crawl if you miss. Not too hard, but kids don't want to do it either. No matter what the reason you do the bear crawl. ACT, college visit, sick, wedding, etc. Just eliminates problems and then I don't get too worked up about it. Some kids do the bear crawl the week before when they know they will miss. Also, you don't just miss. I have to know beforehand.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 7:58:39 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings. 1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. Not the last game. You also don't honor it by having practice 10 hours after the game. Jeez. The 24 hour rule isn't some kind of sacred 10 commandment that we honor or dishonor. It is a way to let the kids know the last game is over. Learn from it. Then flush it and move on. Pretty good life lesson if you ask me. I certainly wouldn't call it practice, rather a meeting, but fine. Maybe there isn't a difference. We also do nothing else over the weekend. The other schools around us come in on Sunday afternoons and actually practice. We don't meet as a coaching staff either. We text/talk, etc. when necessary. The kids enjoy it. We feed them chick-fil-a biscuits, krisy kreme doughnuts, milk and oj. We laugh. We get better. We win.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 6:09:04 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings.
1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. not the last game. When we finish film around 11ish on Saturday, we are DONE with that game. Done physically, mentally, emotionally and kids can relax the rest of the weekend knowing they don’t have any football again until Monday weights.
2) I want to check the kids out and see if anyone needs to see the doctor or trainer. Two extra days of rehab can mean the difference between playing or not that Friday. Otherwise you might not see them until Monday afternoon and they might not get seen until Tuesday which would be three days of difference.
3) I like getting them moving. We warmup and jog a lap. That is it. But I do think that makes Monday better.
4) Cut out one night of partying. The kids are less likely to party or party hard when they know they have to see the coaches at 9am the next day.
5) It makes Monday so much better. Trying to lift, condition, practice, have a JV game, AND watch the last game makes an already long Monday even longer.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 30, 2021 10:45:43 GMT -6
OK, I got a possible new development - how about an increase in the passing game with non-quarterbacks throwing the ball. Not the one a game HB pass but more of a 5-10 times a game. Passes by RB, jets, WR double passes. Have QB eligible to slow man coverage. Playground football at an organized level. What do you think? Is that kind of what the A11 was supposed to turn into? A-11 was about throwing it to any of the 11 guys. Everyone had an eligible number on. Only 5 (6 counting qb) would be eligible, but the defense had to figure out which 5 every play.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 30, 2021 8:59:59 GMT -6
Bill Yeoman was running RPOs out of his Houston Veer offense in 1960s and '70s. You guys are talking about two very different flavors of RPO. The RPO as I knew it, that goes way, way back, threatens the edge with a run before the pass opens up. The pass is very much delayed. What people mean today by RPO, they're looking to pass from the pocket as soon as they gather the snap, with a run between the tackles there for when the pass isn't open. The read in this recent version is either pre-snap or very quick at the snap, and the ineligible receivers are timed to release very soon into the flow downfield. Both offense and defense have to scheme very differently for the two flavors of RPO. In the old style if an ineligible receiver who could actually affect the play gets downfield before the pass, it's easy for officials to see; not so in the more recent flavor. I actually started a thread a few years ago saying that. There are three types of RPO’s in my mind. RPO - Run Pass Option - QB has kept the ball and is threatening to run it or pass. Nick Marshall at Auburn in kick six game. GPO - Give Pass Option - QB reads someone and decides to give it to a running back or throw it. QB will not run it. The current RPO. SRO - Screen Run Option pre-snap decide if you will throw a screen, bubble most likely, or hand the ball off.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 30, 2021 8:53:03 GMT -6
Played a split back veer team in the mid 00's that would run now and bubbles to their slot as a pre-snap RPO. Mumme claims he ran an RPO at Kentucky vs Florida bc of Kearse and then never did it again ('97?) We ran a speed option with a slant back in 1986 when I played.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 29, 2021 9:13:01 GMT -6
LS Teacher 2nd Grade LS Teacher 5th Grade LS Learning Specialist MS/US Physical Science Teacher US Art Teacher LS Teacher 3rd Grade MS/US Latin Teacher US English Teacher MS/US History Teacher
Great school!!!!! Great Football!! We should be good the next few years also. Have four kids currently playing at Auburn and one in the NFL. Have three d1 offered kids already. Montgomery Academy in Alabama.
Great overall athletics also. 3 straight volleyball championships. Girls basketball was Maxpreps ranked number 7 in all of Alabama 1A-7A. Tennis boys state champions, girls runner-up. Boys and girls playing Friday to go to Final Four.
PM me if interested.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 26, 2021 14:43:58 GMT -6
Every staff I've been on as a player or coach previous to this one used Oskee as a call to let the defense know we have the ball off of a fumble or interception. First practice on my current staff, I called Oskee and everybody looked at me like I was sprouting a second head. We are Bingo on interception. Peter on get away from a punt or field goal. Fire on mishandled snap on FG or extra point. Ball on fumble.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 22, 2021 14:29:54 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions? In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance. So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size. California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What?? Don't think of California as a single entity, their are 10 different CIF regions that essentially work as their own state organization. They only recently have started to come together for post season playoffs, but for the most part they are separate. I have coached in public and private in the Southern Section- its a mess now. Divisions are now based solely on how good your record was from the past two years. I was at a private school of 120 kids all told, we had to play a public school of over 3,000 in the playoffs because they couldnt compete with other schools their size and got moved down to division 13. Its all over the place. Crazytowns
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Post by silkyice on Apr 21, 2021 10:06:26 GMT -6
We have a Latin teacher opening at our school. GREAT SCHOOL!!! and great football. Montgomery Academy in Alabama. Message me if interested or know of anyone.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 19, 2021 13:30:13 GMT -6
More Divisions, more play-offs, more $$$. Also more chances to be called a "State Champion." Also keep in mind we are larger than most countries so bound to be some differences of opinion on how things should be done. I just blame it all on Basketball coaches. But that's not how it works. That not how any of it works. Ha
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Post by silkyice on Apr 19, 2021 9:33:38 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions?
In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance.
So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size.
California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What??
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Post by silkyice on Apr 16, 2021 12:47:30 GMT -6
Thought of another rule I would change and this one is in college and NFL. That a defensive holding or PI is an automatic first down. You see a team get a goalline stand and it gets wiped out by a questionable hold to the guy the weren't even targeting and the offense gets four new downs. Four!! and closer to the goalline. Just seems excessive. Maybe some rule that was the opposite of loss of down for the offense. Maybe "gain of down". So you stop them on fourth down at the 8. But holding. Now it is third at the 4. 1st at 4 just seems too much. Or even on 4th and 20 and you get a holding on the guy not targeted. It goes to 3rd and 10 instead of 1st and 10. I actually like this "gain of down" concept and it might could be applied to other defensive penalties. Completely understand but 2 counterpoints. we had a team get called for THREE PIs inside the 10 on the same series (we struggled running on them mightily but eventually put it in). Each of the PIs was blatant, borderline taught. The penalty, half the distance and replay the down bc it’s not an automatic first down in HS. At some point, gaming the system (I don’t want an ethics argument, just typing here) kills the spirit of the rule. second, offensive pass interference is nearly impossible to bounce back from. It’s a big time drive killer, wouldn’t we want balance on the defensive side (yes, I pointed out one of the few rules that doesn’t benefit the O!) Understand, but don't forget that I am also wanting a "gain of down". So if they did that on 4th down, it is now 3rd and half the distance. If they did that three times, you are now at first down. Just a little clarification.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 14, 2021 7:05:47 GMT -6
Yes but once the ball is spotted, everything else falls into play EXCEPT the defense has an extra disadvantage of not being able to capitalize on an offensive turnover other than 'the try is no good'. Think of it this way. You have 2 consecutive plays from the +3 yard line. On both plays the offense runs the same exact play, but the defensive response/outcomes are different. SITUATION 1:Play #1 (the TD) the offense throws a quick screen pass to the flat, WR catches the ball, the blockers execute their assignments, the defenders fail to stop the play, and the WR scores a TD. Play #2 (the PAT) the offense throws a quick screen pass to the flat, the CB reads and breaks on the throw jumps the screen and races 97 yards the other way for....... a conditioning exercise: PAT no good. SITUATION 2:Play #1 (the TD) the offense throws a quick screen pass to the flat, the CB reads and breaks on the throw jumps the screen and races 97 yards the other way for....... 6 points. Play #2: Now the PAT is from a whole different team/perspective/objective. First, you should be ashamed that in the example you are talking about quick screens from the 3. Run the ball or wear a skirt (sarcasm obviously) Second- I believe the outcomes SHOULD be different...because the ball is ONLY BEING SPOTTED DUE TO THE OFFENSE SCORING A TOUCHDOWN. It isn't a play like any other. It is like the "bonus balls" you get to roll in bowling if you strike or spare in the 10th frame. You both are right. And this is the reason for no extra points and a TD is 7 points. If you want 8, then you go for 2, but now I don't mind the defense being able to score also, because you choose to try for more. Wow, crazy how actually typing all that out makes sense. PS Oh, one more thing, crazy that in college if you try for a PAT (one point) and the defense blocks it and returns it, they get two points. That should at least be a rule change to 1 point.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 13, 2021 13:54:41 GMT -6
With all the new rules emphasized on "safety", I'm really surprised that they haven't changed the rule to allow the QB to throw the ball away outside of the tackles. 100% agree!!! I have been saying this for a few years now. Plus everyone thinks it is legal anyways and I am a big believer in NFL, NCAA, and NFHS rules being as similar as possible, not as dissimilar as possible (which I think the NFHS does on purpose - control).
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Post by silkyice on Apr 12, 2021 14:25:40 GMT -6
Thought of another rule I would change and this one is in college and NFL. That a defensive holding or PI is an automatic first down. You see a team get a goalline stand and it gets wiped out by a questionable hold to the guy the weren't even targeting and the offense gets four new downs. Four!! and closer to the goalline. Just seems excessive.
Maybe some rule that was the opposite of loss of down for the offense. Maybe "gain of down". So you stop them on fourth down at the 8. But holding. Now it is third at the 4. 1st at 4 just seems too much.
Or even on 4th and 20 and you get a holding on the guy not targeted. It goes to 3rd and 10 instead of 1st and 10.
I actually like this "gain of down" concept and it might could be applied to other defensive penalties.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 12, 2021 14:20:54 GMT -6
Not only that, but it encourages a defender who's already committed pass interference in or near the end zone during that down to turn it into a personal foul by really teeing off on that receiver to make sure the pass is not completed, because the penalty will be less, even if the rare double penalty (which would probably be half the distance, then another half of the remaining distance, i.e. 3/4 of the distance from the previous spot) were incurred. But newer rules of targeting and ejection have probably solved that problem. Good info. I don't like any rule where the ref awards points besides something like a player coming of the sideline to stop a TD. There are probably other instances I would agree with also. I don't like that a hold in the endzone by the offense is a safety. One, again, don't like a ref awarding points in principal. Two, I think it makes refs reluctant to call a hold in the endzone for that very reason. But, I don't really have a great solution for a hold in the endzone and how the penalty should be administered. Maybe the other team gets the ball on the 20 or 40 or something. Don't really have a great answer other than leave it like it is, but I still don't like it. Ha
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2021 13:11:14 GMT -6
That would at least make it consistent and is better than a fumble out of bounds in endzone is a turnover but no where else is. B But I would change the fumble out of the endzone to not being a turnover. The offense gets it on the 20 with a loss of down. So if it was 4th down, the defense gets it on the 20. The only way I'd change the touchback rule would be if the offensive team couldn't score by recovering their own fumble for a TD. Which I proposed earlier saying that the offense can't advance a fumble.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2021 11:19:55 GMT -6
Was having a conversation about high school football with a buddy and he eventually asked me what would be something i would want to see changed at the high school level and i was torn between two things but one eventually won out, that being i would like it if we moved the Hashes inward to the college Hashes because i dont love the limited space into the boundary currently. Just wondering what other things people would pick if they could change just one aspect. Fumbling out of bounds should be a turnover, like it is in the end zone. That would at least make it consistent and is better than a fumble out of bounds in endzone is a turnover but no where else is. B But I would change the fumble out of the endzone to not being a turnover. The offense gets it on the 20 with a loss of down. So if it was 4th down, the defense gets it on the 20.
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