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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 19:21:19 GMT -6
I don't think that is how college roster works besides maybe one or two kids. No? All these players are d1 scholarship players that were recruited. PC (and the other members of the pioneer league) are non scholarship football programs I stand corrected.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 14:00:21 GMT -6
This is a D1 university. I think their defensive players are their defensive players. I think he meant that they may have set up the rosters in the off-season so that all the talent went to offense (even if it meant some position changes) and the defensive players were whatever was left. That seems like something that would fit an approach like what Kelley has taken. I don't think that is how college roster works besides maybe one or two kids. No? All these players are d1 scholarship players that were recruited.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 11:33:09 GMT -6
I am wondering id they put all their best players on offense. It seems to me that perhaps if they could make a couple of stops that would help things This is a D1 university. I think their defensive players are their defensive players.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 9:33:24 GMT -6
Why is it dead on the weekend? I would say because most of us are HS coaches who were up until the wee hours of the morning after Friday night’s game getting laundry in the washer, so on Saturdays we’re trying to get what sleep we can, then scrape together some precious family time while spending a big part of the day getting film breakdown done in time for the big Sunday game plan meeting. Or we’re just, you know, watching football games and enjoying our days off. For the few of us on here who are coaching CFB, I think the answer should be even more obvious.. "getting laundry in the washer" is a weird new way to spell "drinking". HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Nov 5, 2021 12:10:36 GMT -6
Post by silkyice on Nov 5, 2021 12:10:36 GMT -6
Congrats to Westminster on winning the state title. We were three time defending champs. It was quite a match. Lost in 5 sets and the last set (played to 15), was tied 13-13. Lost 13-15. Was a great match. Yeah, it was an amazing hard fought match! The commentator said it was the best match of the tournament. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a rematch next year, our team is junior heavy, and it sounded like y'alls was too. That freshman you guys had was tough to stop. Good luck against Flomaton tonight! We have three freshmen starters!! Won't be a rematch though. Ha. We move up to 5A. Oh wait, y'all most likely will also. Really dislike the 1.35 multiplier and competitive balance rule. We are should be a 2A school and will be 5A. Wouldn't be surprised to see both of us again in the finals.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2021 20:42:48 GMT -6
Won a game 90-32 a few years ago. Believe me, we weren't even trying to run the score up. We had all backups in on offense, and our third-string RB busted runs of 51, 55, and 65 yards on the first play of some series. However, the other team continued to pass the ball for incompletions- meaning their series only took about 15 seconds off the game clock. This situation sounds bad, but since then I'll always reserve judgment on these types of situations. Sometimes you just run into a team that quits in the middle of the game, while your back-ups (who have been itching to make their mark all year-long) are hungry and fired up. 90-32 with backups is 100% different from 106-0 with starting qb throwing 13 td’s. Sometimes, it just is what it is. Sometimes, a jerk is the head coach. Period.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2021 17:40:58 GMT -6
We were up 63-0 against a team at half. We already had starters out by the third drive. Just ran our offense.
We met as coaches at halftime and I told them that we were not going end up on national news. Final score: 63-21
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2021 11:27:43 GMT -6
My weekly Update-from the espn play by play-- because I find this fascinating. Week 9 The "no punt" strategy resulted in a turnover on downs at their own 27 resulting in a 7-0 deficit 3 minutes into the game. They actually punted their second drive, but Stetson still drove down and scored. Their offense then threw an interception, but the defense held, then they had an 8 play drive that started at their own 12, but turned the ball over on downs on their own 34 on a 4th and 8. Defense still held and Stetson missed a FG. Score is 14-0 with 7 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. PC goes 4 and out from their own 30, Stetson scores on the short field to make it 21-0 with 4 minutes to go in the half. PC throws a pick six to make it 28-0 at the half. Defense holds on a drive to start the 3rd quarter, throws a pick on the next play. Defense holds on a 7 play drive (another missed field goal). PC goes 3 and out, PUNTS, but gives up a 2 play scoring drive. 35-0. PC gets ball back, goes 4 and out, gives Stetson the ball on short field again (+30) Stetson scores in 5 plays. 42-0 with 7 minutes left in 3rd quarter. Trade some touchdowns, turn the ball over some, trade some punts... end of game 52-14. Seems like their D hung in their a bit, even while playing on a short field almost the entire game. I actually like these updates. Mainly because the not punting is stupid. I get that you should go for it a lot more than the traditional way. I actually probably go for it more than most. But here is my MAIN issue. The "not punting" strategy should definitely either be at strategic times or your should be a RUN first type of offense. Not punting definitely fits with that much more than pass first.
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New Job
Oct 29, 2021 6:05:18 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Oct 29, 2021 6:05:18 GMT -6
Congrats and good luck coach! Now that you're back in the AHSAA, if you guys are looking for a game next reclassification let us know! Westminster vs MA would be a good match up! Our volleyball teams are about to play each other for the state title! Congrats to Westminster on winning the state title. We were three time defending champs. It was quite a match. Lost in 5 sets and the last set (played to 15), was tied 13-13. Lost 13-15. Was a great match.
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Oct 28, 2021 12:07:53 GMT -6
Post by silkyice on Oct 28, 2021 12:07:53 GMT -6
Congrats and good luck coach! Now that you're back in the AHSAA, if you guys are looking for a game next reclassification let us know! Westminster vs MA would be a good match up! Our volleyball teams are about to play each other for the state title!
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Post by silkyice on Oct 28, 2021 9:21:47 GMT -6
Congrats Coach!! Thank you for all the lives you have influenced and your contributions to the game of football and this board.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 23, 2021 19:50:16 GMT -6
Week 8- San Diego jumped on top of PC after a safety, and a turnover in their own territory. However after Scoring on a nice 7 play drive to cut the lead to 29-14 in the 2nd quarter, and getting a defensive stop, Kelley's team took possession of the ball on their own 9. PC went for it on 4th and 7 from their own 12 yard line with about 2:30 left in the half. Didn't get it, San Diego scores easily and goes up 35-14 at the half. PC gets the ball to open the 2nd half, drives down and scores. 35-21. PC D gets another stop, and their offense takes possession at their on 27. They go for it on 4th and 1 at their own 36. Fail to convert. SD scores to go up 43-21 (went for 2). PC gets ball back, according to the play by play tries to punt on 4th and 13 from their own 22, gets it blocked for a TD. Down 49-21. with 7 minutes left in the 3rd. Game ends up 69-28. Not saying that PC would win, as they don't appear to be a very strong program (hence why Kelley was hired presumably). But this seems like a situation where a conventional approach might have led to a better result, and kept the weaker team within striking distance longer when anything could happen. I mean potentially the game could have been 28-21 in the middle of the 3rd instead of 49-21. I think this is an interesting real time "experiment" that we as coaches get to experience as compared to all of our "what if" discussions here. Sure it is not ironclad, but it is fun. Also, 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 are vastly different in high school and college and pro. Would love to find out the stats of how often those are converted on the three levels, but I guarantee that the percentage of converting 4th and 1 in high school is MUCH higher.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 15:34:01 GMT -6
We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Are you bragging, or complaining? This is one of the best comments ever on CoachHuey.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 12:20:42 GMT -6
Great plan! but what if a kick it out of bounds or rugby kick, etc. Also, the ball is on the 10. If I kick it just 30 yards, the ball is on the 40. You got a guy that can kick a 57 yarder? But that is still besides the point. If I try and convert from the 10 and don't, you get the ball at the 10!! Most everyone (not everyone, but most), have a dude that can convert a 27 yarder. We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Wait wut? You are joking.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 12:01:11 GMT -6
Always onside kick is something I can buy into. NEVER punt? If it is RARELY punt, I can buy into it. But NEVER is a crazy strong word. There is 10 seconds left and it is 4th and 40 on your own 10 yard line and there is 15 seconds left in the game and you are up by 2. You don't punt and you should be fired after the game. I'd call a fair catch and attempt a free kick! Great plan! but what if a kick it out of bounds or rugby kick, etc. Also, the ball is on the 10. If I kick it just 30 yards, the ball is on the 40. You got a guy that can kick a 57 yarder? But that is still besides the point. If I try and convert from the 10 and don't, you get the ball at the 10!! Most everyone (not everyone, but most), have a dude that can convert a 27 yarder.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 8:00:54 GMT -6
Always onside kick is something I can buy into.
NEVER punt? If it is RARELY punt, I can buy into it. But NEVER is a crazy strong word.
There is 15 seconds left and it is 4th and 40 on your own 10 yard line and you are up by 2. You don't punt and you should be fired after the game.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 12:11:01 GMT -6
It's not "we have to execute this in order to be in position the NEXT time we score to have to execute something else to maybe get the win". I don't think anyone in the stadium has that go through their mind except coaches in the situation when you are down 8 and going for 2. Plus if you don't get it, you still can win the game. But I think everyone in the stadium including the cheer moms, band, and 95 year old grandmom all know what is at stake when down 1 and going for 2.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 12:07:38 GMT -6
We also don't have anything resembling a kicking game this year so its 2 pts all the time Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 11:18:01 GMT -6
I like all that and I thought that would be your reasoning. So just a couple of questions. Real questions. Not being a smart a$$ although it might come off that way. So no playing for overtime other than down 3 and you have to kick a FG or down 8 and you score and the 2 ties it? Again, fine with me, just clarifying. When down 11, why not go for 2 on the second TD? Meaning you are going for 2 so that a FG and TD wins. Why not wait until that second TD? Is it so that you know whether or not you made the two beforehand, so that you will know if you need to go for it the second TD or not? Hope to heck that makes sense what I am asking! And if that is the case, seems like you would go for 2 when down 8. So that you would know what to do on the second TD. For you, the question should really be, when are you going for 1. Ha. Just kidding. Sort of... Obviously tied, you are going to kick to go up 1. Interesting that you aren't going for two when up 7. I like your philosophy and it is consistent. You might just convince me. I'll try to tackle this in order they were asked and not go off on a tangent. Also I love this kind of stuff because it helps solidify why I think the way I do, or might even change my mind with more specific thought about it. Correct. If I have an opportunity to win it I'm going to take it. I figure what good is overtime other than another opportunity to blow the game. Either I feel we are the better team and we have made a mistake letting them hang around, or we are punching way above our weight class and better end it now before they get their crap straight and end it on their terms. Down 11 I want to know what I need ahead of time as the game time winds down. Its like wanting to be on defense first in overtime. The less decision making you have to do the more confident you appear in your choices. Also, It's a bit of a psychological thing. We are dealing with teenage kids here, many of which have never even thought about winning a game on a game ending two point conversion, let alone how they would handle those nerves and emotions. Getting the conversion out of the way early allows me as a coach to be like "hey we need to execute this, but there is no pressure because we can make up for it later if something goes wrong". Trailing by 8, I'm taking the EXP, assuming I have a consistent enough kicking game, because then we are down 7 and all we need is a stop and a 2 point to win. If I go for 2 there, and we miss, we now have to go for 2 just to tie on the next score which introduces more psychological pressure into 15-18 year old kids. Up 7 I'm gonna choose the "lower risk" (again kicking game dependent) to go up 8 points. Now the other team has to be confident in their two point plays they may or may not have practiced in order to tie the game. If I go for 2 up 7 and miss then a score and two point conversion beats us. When I'm trailing its about trying to end the game with a win as quickly as possible because it shortens the amount of time we are playing from behind. When we are Up its about elongating the amount of time we are playing with a lead or are tied as it puts more pressure on the opponent to execute. In the example about being up 7, going for 2 puts us at greater risk to lose more quickly than taking the 1 (again assuming that kicking EXPs aren't a roll of the dice as much as 2 pt plays are). I like all of it. But I think your reasonings are a little inconsistent on Down 11 and down 8. Not sure that I can understand the difference. If you are down 11, you go for 2. Hoping for the 2, a FG, and a TD. Knowing that if you don't get the 2, you can get it on the second TD. Down 8 is the same thing minus the FG, which is also the difference between down 11 and down 8, 3 points. And you already said that you were going for 2 when down 1. I think that you actually eliminate some pressure here. The first go for 2 isn't that much pressure. And if you miss, you now know you have to go for 2. So now it is to tie (which in my mind is less pressure), than to win or lose when going for it down by 1. Down 1 and going for 2 is the ULTIMATE PRESSURE on players and coaches. Win or lose. Right now. Plus, oh crap, maybe we should just kick. That is pressure. I do like your reasoning on up 7. But surprised by it. Get it, go up 2 scores. Don't, still up 7. Sure, they can go for 2, but then they have to execute that. Now if it is a team that only goes for 2 and never kicks, my decision might be a little different. Anyways, great stuff!!
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 9:48:43 GMT -6
I understand what the top and bottom meant. Why are you going for 2 when down 1, 4, and 11? Down 1, I am aggressive and will play for the win and not overtime. Down 4, if we convert the extra point we are now down 2 and a field goal can win it as opposed to a tie and overtime. Down 11 I can cut the lead to where I can win on a touchdown and field goal instead of needing two TDs to win or hoping for a tie with a TD and FG. Ultimately I'm trying to cut down the amount of scores/points needed in order to win. And I'm definitely allowed to be wrong in some opinions, it's just my view of the game. I like all that and I thought that would be your reasoning. So just a couple of questions. Real questions. Not being a smart a$$ although it might come off that way. So no playing for overtime other than down 3 and you have to kick a FG or down 8 and you score and the 2 ties it? Again, fine with me, just clarifying. When down 11, why not go for 2 on the second TD? Meaning you are going for 2 so that a FG and TD wins. Why not wait until that second TD? Is it so that you know whether or not you made the two beforehand, so that you will know if you need to go for it the second TD or not? Hope to heck that makes sense what I am asking! And if that is the case, seems like you would go for 2 when down 8. So that you would know what to do on the second TD. For you, the question should really be, when are you going for 1. Ha. Just kidding. Sort of... Obviously tied, you are going to kick to go up 1. Interesting that you aren't going for two when up 7. I like your philosophy and it is consistent. You might just convince me.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 9:29:35 GMT -6
I never did it, but onside kicking in HS football, especially at the smaller schools, isn't nonsense. You're really only giving your opponent 10-15 extra yards once you get down to it. Recover one or two onside a game? That's a huge swing for a HS game. Agree for the most part. Bu the other team starting around midfield almost every time is also tough. But if you don't have a good kicker, onside kick is a great strategy. Very much disagree agree. You need a GREAT punter or it is pretty much worthless? Heck, sometimes a great punter hurts you. Out kicks the coverage with a ball they can catch. One of my best punters was actually bad. We called him the "best awful punter" there is. He would just punt it around 25-30 yards and never straight so they rarely caught it and it would roll another 5 - 15. So no returns and net punt of 30-45 yards was awesome.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 20, 2021 9:05:25 GMT -6
Most of you know who Mark Ingram is. Won Heisman Trophy at Alabama, had several productive years in The League. His last HS game was against us. He had had two 300-yard plus games (yes 300+ rushing), as I recall had about 1800 yards and over 20 TDs in eight games. We were an average team at best defensively but "held" him to 120 yards and one TD (on their first possession), won 35-7. Part of it was game plan, part of it was just fundamental pursuit and gang-tackling. TBH also helped when we got ahead by two scores in 2nd Half their coach stopped giving him the ball and started throwing most of the time. But we wouldn't have gotten ahead by two scores in 2nd Half if we hadn't been able to corral him before then. Individual tackling ability is secondary to getting butts to the ball. 100% agree
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2021 12:50:51 GMT -6
What do you mean "if it is an option"? Isn't that what we are discussing, the option of going for one or two? You are going for 2 when down 1? Down 4? Down 11? Just not sure I understand. Top is when leading by that amount, bottom is when trailing by that amount I understand what the top and bottom meant. Why are you going for 2 when down 1, 4, and 11?
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2021 11:32:49 GMT -6
Make sure those charts are right. For instance, what does your chart when you are up 1 and score and are now up 7? kick or go for 2? Up 7 I will kick if it is an option. What do you mean "if it is an option"? Isn't that what we are discussing, the option of going for one or two? You are going for 2 when down 1? Down 4? Down 11? Just not sure I understand.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2021 10:03:58 GMT -6
He was pretty vocal about hating individual time when he coached here in high school. Some of it makes total sense to me though. Tackling and blocking are total “want to” things and if you don't want to then you will never be good at it no matter how many drills you run. And to his point about tackling Barry Sanders he's 100% right and it has been stated on here many times. If the opposing teams running back is physically superior to your guys how do you practice that? Well, who has a better chance at tackling Barry Sanders? The guy who isn't very talented but practices consistently on body control, pad level, coming to balance, etc. or the guy who isn't very talented and doesn't practice all of that stuff? And couldn't one say that blocking and tackling are not natural actions, and that no matter how much you want to do them, if you don't practice then you will not be very good at them (when faced with similarly gifted opponents) ? One on one tackling Barry Sanders??? Forget about it. But learn good technique, great run fits, how to work together, leverage, inside foot up, all 11 players, well, it is still Barry Sanders, but you got a chance now.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2021 9:17:40 GMT -6
Here is the chart I use. When To go for 2 Behind by 2 5 10 16 17 Ahead By 1 4 5 11 12 behind by 17 is an odd one. Here is my current one: +1, 4, 5, 7, 12, 15, 19 -2,5,9,10,12,13,16,18,19,20,23,26 About to deep dive back into this.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2021 8:49:31 GMT -6
Oh yeah, that's absolutely what i was saying. How much time left in the game you would start doing that, were you saying you would do that at any point in the game where the TD put you up by 1, whether thats early in the game, mid-game, or late game? At any point. I am pretty aggressive in point after attempts and 4th downs. I usually stick to the chart for 2 pts. until we hit the 21+ mark, if we hit it at all. Make sure those charts are right. For instance, what does your chart when you are up 1 and score and are now up 7? kick or go for 2?
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Post by silkyice on Oct 18, 2021 14:12:03 GMT -6
I worked at a high school the last couple years and we are 2 platoon. Defensively, we never used a scout offense for any 11 on 11 session. We were a stack team and schedule for Monday Tuesday was fastball with against our offense 4/5 plays different situation everyday. Defensively, we did tackle circuit, indy, the run pod (defense served defense), We would see the most common inside runs. We didn't use a ball. The offensive line held shields and the ball carriers ran the play. The tempo was full speed to contact then we thud. The reason we did this was to make the correct fits with all of our calls from base and our other fronts and blitzes.(15 min period) we could get about 60 reps working 3 strings. Everyone was involved except corners. They had more indy. We would move to pass pod from there. Same concept (dline more indy). We were split field coverage so we worked each side of the defensive secondary separately. Run the concept to the field without a ball and then to boundary without ball. Was checking the db and lbs made the right calls and covered up correctly. The ball skills were worked on indy drills. As a team we never went all 11 at a time against a scout offense. We would finish practice with blitz on barrel drill 2 defense facing each other mirroring calls. This was 6A ball in Alabama. We finished the season in the top 20 in the state, I think we finished 17th. We were as high as 5th in the state defensively. We didn't have any D1 players, just good high school kids. I think 1 kid went to a D3 school. Good stuff
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Post by silkyice on Oct 17, 2021 18:50:22 GMT -6
I have eliminated the rest of the world and just chosen to work on myself. hahahahaha
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Post by silkyice on Oct 17, 2021 17:40:06 GMT -6
Agree with what you are saying. But let me disagree with one thing. And I bet you would agree. Probably just semantics. You live with it - agree. Cause you can't change it. But... you still should analyze it for next time. Even if your decision worked, it might not have actually been the best decision. Just sayin that "live with it" could be misconstrued as forget about it and don't try and analyze or learn from it. That is what I "disagree" with. Well obviously you should analyze everything you do as a coach (be self-aware, introspective, whatever you want to call it). Problem is, you may make yourself sick focusing too much on negative results-what you could have done differently, which can cause future problems too (paralysis by analysis for ex.) As Grandma used to say, "Do the best you can, and if that's not good enough, piss on it!" We are in complete agreement.
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