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Post by silkyice on Mar 23, 2022 16:19:08 GMT -6
Iwe have done the chill approach. There is your problem right there. Don’t do the chill approach. I hope you didn’t get the impression that anyone thinks that is the way to go.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 23, 2022 10:53:36 GMT -6
I bet almost every team we play puts more time in almost everything the players do. Days, hours, weights, practice,bonding, culture, etc. I compare this to the weight room. Are you doing wearouts or workouts? Are you getting the proper rest and nutrition? Same principles apply to all football activities. Now, I am going to add that I can get away with this stuff because I have been successful. I get a new head coach or young coach worrying about what happens when you hit a rough patch and it appears another team is "outworking" you. I have a few points about that. 1) I was 26 when I got hired as a head coach, so been there done that. I was one of the first coaches around to just practice in full pads one day week. To just work out twice a week for a much shorter period of time. To quit doing two-a-days in August. To quit stretching and do a dynamic warmup. Heck, I was one of the first in my area to go to the shotgun spread back in 2002. 2) If you think something is the best way to do it, do that. You are the one in charge. Be in charge. 3) I like coachd5085 's point. If everyone is putting in those hours, you do realize that not everyone is winning. So it obviously is not the amount of time that is the difference.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 21, 2022 15:57:49 GMT -6
I got to "Spring Ball" and decided the answer was yes. I've said it before and ill say it again, I had hoped Covid would show us all the ridiculousness of all of this Spring training (weightlifting excluded) but it clearly hasn't. I love the game and have made it a huge part of my life but I'm telling you right now I'm not doing 6am practice and after school practice IN THE SPRING. Going to play devil’s advocate here. I originally thought the same thing when Covid 1st hit BUT then we had our shortened pandemic season in Southern California and we went 0-5 vs other opponents who had more opportunities to have off-season workouts because our school district was so much more restrictive. To me, this validated the importance of our spring and summer. I don't think anyone is saying that Spring and Summer aren't important or won't make your team better. I just think there is a limit to how much a team needs to do (law of diminishing returns), and if you do too much, you very well are probably entering the law of negative returns.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 18, 2022 11:44:41 GMT -6
I don’t know what there is to do besides try and ramp up our program or keep losing games. What would y’all do to jumpstart a program? Would love to know what divisions you guys play in and what states as well as comments. QUIT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT OTHER TEAMS DO. If you think you what you are doing is best for your team and is the best way to do something, do it. If you don't, then do what you think is best. We have not done 7 on 7 one time in my two years here. No OTA's. We did 4 spring practices last year. We were full pads once and only live hit once in Spring. For August practice, we are done at noon and don't come back until the next day. We workout twice a week for 20-30 minutes. I could go on and on. Figure out what YOU think is best for YOUR program. Do that. Since you asked what division: Alabama 3A. Will be 4A next year due to competitive balance rule. Actually are 2A numbers. I realize everyone does not know what Alabama 3A looks like. It is pretty dang good. The team we beat in the semi's signed 7 guys off just their defense. Three were power 5. Three others d1. One NAIA. The defense also had a junior power 5 offered guy and junior d1 offered guy. The nose was a freshman. He will be offered. That means they had TEN scholarship players on their D. They have three more on offense. Two are power 5.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 12, 2022 11:46:26 GMT -6
Besides the fact you have to know someone to get in the NFL. The biggest reason guys do or don’t make it in the league is because they have to know ball at the highest level. Rah rah guys, salesman/recruiters, those types can’t cut it. You have to know what you’re talking about or you provide no value. Nerdy types fit that build more so than tough/outwork everyone guys. The style in the end doesn’t matter. It’s all about how well you know and can teach the game. This is a bigger deal than many realize, I think. In HS ball, if you can get kids lifting, teach fundamentals, and stay out of your own way, you can win. I’m college ball, if you can recruit well, sell yourself, and handle all the politics and PR that goes with being a college coach, you can win. In the NFL, you need more than that. Everybody does the same stuff. The secret sauce is all in breaking down film, finding tiny little things that allow for exploitable matchups, game planning, and then figuring out a dozen different ways to do the same things week in and out. Oh, and also you have to have a competent organization to build the team for you and keep it together or replace pieces as necessary. It’s surprising how bad so many NFL teams are at that, especially when it’s owned by someone who inherited the team. THIS! This is also why NFL coaches might not make the best hs coach or college coach. Or a college coach might not make the best NFL or hs coach. If you think about it, it all comes down to players. Period. A NFL coach/team drafts their players. They are already strong and know fundamentals and are motivated. So now, exploit matchups. A college team recruits their players. So the best recruiters win. In high school, for the most part, you aren't recruiting your players. So you have to make them the best athletes they can be - strength and speed training. Nutrition. Get them to come out. Motivate them. Teach them. This does not discount all the other 100 things that you have to do to win. But players are the number one ingredient.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 8, 2022 9:21:19 GMT -6
Here is another idea. I have done this twice.
I am head coach, so it makes it easier.
I was at school A and went to school B.
At school B, I created a game with school A in year 2011. I then did a one way exchange of all the games from school A in 2018 and put them game footage of that game with school A in school B. Did the same thing for year 2012. And then 2013, etc.
So at my current school B, if I want to go watch a game from school A in 2014, I just go to 2014, scroll down to the fictitious game with school A, and select the game I want to watch.
This does, of course, take up more storage space.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 3, 2022 10:31:06 GMT -6
And NFL players aren't? not sure why that matters. HS football games are 48. COMPLETELY AGREE!! NFL games - 60 minutes - each quarter 15 NBA games - 48 minutes - each quarter 12 I just don't think that you need to play an additional 15 minutes of football if you go to overtime. That is too long. Also, what happens if you are still tied? Another 15 minutes. That starts to get ridiculous. Just play an extra shortened period. NBA plays 5 extra minutes. I actually think that is too long. But my point was that there is precedent from other sports to shorten the extra period. That makes sense to me. I think 2 minutes would work. But I get that might not be popular. 4 minutes would be good. Going by the NBA percentage, that gives you about 6 extra minutes. 6:15 to be exact. I could live with that. 2-4 minutes and you are tied, Just do another one. If it is 2 minutes, you would have to play 7 overtimes and you would still be less than extra full period. Also, I think the odds of being tied after 2 minutes are not as high as when you play longer especially 15 minutes. I will say this though, if you are trying to say that an extra 5 minutes of basketball is the same as 15 minutes of football, you are crazy. 18 years olds will sometimes play 3-4 games of AAU bball in a day. And then 3-4 the next day. And then 3-4 the next day. There is a reason football games take a week in between them on all levels. The NBA has a provision in place to ensure the nature of the game (and corresponding outcome) is the same in a 5 minute period as a 12 minute period: The shot clock. The NFL doesn't. The last two drives in regulation in the AFC championship game were each over 6 minutes in length. I would be interested to see what the average length of possession is in the NFL, and then compare it to the average length of a possession when a team is trying to milk the clock. True. Which is why I suggest that the kicking team should get 3 timeouts and the receiving team 1 timeout or maybe even 0. That is also the reason I like 2 minutes. 1 timeout and 2 minutes is plenty of time, but at the same time, not a lot of time. I know that makes know grammatical sense, but if you understand football, it does make sense. The receiving team can't just take their time or they will run out of time. If they get to where they can just milk the clock, the kicking team can use those timeouts and force a decision or attempt. Or if the kicking team gets scored on within a minute or whatever, they now have 3 timeouts and 50 seconds or whatever, to go score. Which is doable. If the other team ends up driving the whole way and kicking a last second FG and your team never gets the ball, well, that is your fault. That is much much much better than a team getting the ball first with infinite time (or 15 minutes or whatever), to go score a TD and then too bad.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 2, 2022 16:33:23 GMT -6
Well, I don't think I'm crazy, but let's put that aside for now and get back on topic. Agree. You aren't crazy. We all know the history and reason for it. But I think we all (mostly) agree that those rules work for the regular season. Not the playoffs. No one wants a long OT during the season. Side note: My idea of an extra 2 minute or 4 minute period, would also keep it from being a long OT in the regular season. You could still have the rule in the reg season that after 1 (or maybe 2 with my proposal) OT periods, the game is just a tie. Yes.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 2, 2022 14:45:54 GMT -6
Not sure how that is quite relevant. By that logic the NBA game should be 30 minutes long instead of 48. I don't get your math-reasoning. NBA players are among the best athletes in the world. And NFL players aren't? not sure why that matters. HS football games are 48. COMPLETELY AGREE!! NFL games - 60 minutes - each quarter 15 NBA games - 48 minutes - each quarter 12 I just don't think that you need to play an additional 15 minutes of football if you go to overtime. That is too long. Also, what happens if you are still tied? Another 15 minutes. That starts to get ridiculous. Just play an extra shortened period. NBA plays 5 extra minutes. I actually think that is too long. But my point was that there is precedent from other sports to shorten the extra period. That makes sense to me. I think 2 minutes would work. But I get that might not be popular. 4 minutes would be good. Going by the NBA percentage, that gives you about 6 extra minutes. 6:15 to be exact. I could live with that. 2-4 minutes and you are tied, Just do another one. If it is 2 minutes, you would have to play 7 overtimes and you would still be less than extra full period. Also, I think the odds of being tied after 2 minutes are not as high as when you play longer especially 15 minutes. I will say this though, if you are trying to say that an extra 5 minutes of basketball is the same as 15 minutes of football, you are crazy. 18 years olds will sometimes play 3-4 games of AAU bball in a day. And then 3-4 the next day. And then 3-4 the next day. There is a reason football games take a week in between them on all levels.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 2, 2022 9:45:52 GMT -6
I just think a quarter is a long time. I think 4 minutes is plenty. 2 minutes actually could be fine. Think how much happened in the last two minutes of Chiefs/Bills. I also think that the teams should have 3 timeouts or at least the team that doesn't get the ball first should have 3 timeouts. NBA basketball OT is 5 minutes. And they play 12 minute quarters. Meaning that there is precedent for shortening the length of a period for OT. NBA players have to play both ends of the court. NFL players only go one-way. Half the time they're sitting on the bench resting. Not sure how that is quite relevant. By that logic the NBA game should be 30 minutes long instead of 48.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 2, 2022 7:38:56 GMT -6
Just play a quarter in the playoffs. If still tied, play another. I just think a quarter is a long time. I think 4 minutes is plenty. 2 minutes actually could be fine. Think how much happened in the last two minutes of Chiefs/Bills. I also think that the teams should have 3 timeouts or at least the team that doesn't get the ball first should have 3 timeouts. NBA basketball OT is 5 minutes. And they play 12 minute quarters. Meaning that there is precedent for shortening the length of a period for OT.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 30, 2022 14:36:44 GMT -6
How about the rest of you? I'll sweeten it slightly by saying you have 2nd and 1 at the opponent's 15. They encroach, it's a dead ball foul, whistled dead. Do you accept or decline the penalty? Interesting.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 30, 2022 14:30:08 GMT -6
If it were really easier to score touchdowns from farther out, then you should tell your players that if they have the ball, unless they see a clear path to the end zone, that once they make the line-to-gain they should stop, because leaving the ball closer to the goal line makes it harder to score. On defense, once the opposing runner is past the line to gain, you should only try to prevent them from scoring the touchdown. In fact you should try to carry them closer to your goal line, because then it'll be easier to defend. I was, of course, talking about the very unique situation of 1st and goal at the 10, where you cannot get another first down. Agree
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Post by silkyice on Jan 29, 2022 20:47:50 GMT -6
Regarding the NFL data on the 15 vs the 10- I am going to pull the "That's the NFL" card when discussing HS stuff. BUT it makes good sense if discussing the NFL (which this thread is BUT this side conversation was on changing HS overtime to the 15) At The NFL defenses still have to defend the Bang 8, the corner Fade, and other quick and relatively easy scoring pass plays, along with other plays that can pick up the first down and give the Offense 4 plays from inside the 5. But yet I 100% just off the top of my head guessed the 15 yard line and then said the 12 yard line was a for sure, just based off my experience as a play caller in high school. I had zero stats!! None. But I nailed it. Why? Experience. Not to be a butt, how much have you and Bob called plays? I have been doing it for 25 years. When was the last time you watched high school? Bang 8, corner fade, etc are all happening in high school. At least against the teams we play. Even the single wing team we played in the first round had a 6'7" kid they split out.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 29, 2022 10:17:39 GMT -6
If you are the actual play caller for your team, you get pissed for just a sec when you get first a goal at the 10. It is tough to score a TD from there!!
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Post by silkyice on Jan 29, 2022 10:16:16 GMT -6
This is awesome. Great find. I will argue that it is even higher now because current teams will rightly go for a first down on 4th and 1 (or inches) now from the 6 yard line.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 29, 2022 10:12:52 GMT -6
Someone just look up the analytics. And I could be wrong about the 15 (don’t think I am), but what about the 12? www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2010/01/expected-points-ep-and-expected-points.htmlThis is from 2010. Scroll down to expected points by 1st down field position. Look more at the blue diamonds (actual data) than the red curve (best fit line). You can clearly see where the 10 starts and it climbs. No one is going to dispute that the 9 is not better than the 10. Just eyeballing it, it looks like the 16 or 17 is the same as the 10, with the 11-15 higher. It would be great if someone can find something more recent with individual yard lines. I think that teams are MUCH more likely to go for it on 4th and 1 (or inches) from the 6 now than in 2010 which should raise the expected points from the 15.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 29, 2022 9:32:48 GMT -6
If offenses are scoring more from the 15 than from the 10, then something's wrong with how defenses play. You have 1st and goal from the 10. You go 10 yards, TD. If you'd been on the 15 with 1st and 10, you go 10 yards, all you get is the first down. Who could believe that a first down is better than a touchdown? Plus, if you were on the 15, you'd be a little farther for a field goal, and even if you were on the hash mark that makes the angle narrower. Suppose there were some reason teams were scoring more from the 15. Then the defense could always change to defending the 5 yard line like it's the goal line, and then it's like the opposing team is on the 10. Having the opponents on your 10 could never be better than having them on your 15. If that last 5 yards didn't help the defense, then we could save the real estate and shorten the distance between the goal lines to 90 yards. But then the very same thing could be said, so shorten it another 10 yards. And repeat the process until the field of play was only 10 yards long, and throw away the chains. I don't think I agree with Silkyice on this, but I believe what he is trying to say is that 1st and 10 from the 15 gives the offense 2 options for "success"- touchdown or firstdown, the latter giving them 4 more tries from 5 yards or less. You have a potential 8 plays from the 15. 4 from the 10. The 15 also gives you 5 more yards that the defense has to defend on a pass. Bob, do you really think that gaining 10 yards from the 15 to the 5 is the same difficultly as gaining 10 yards from the 10? And using you analogies, is gaining 10 from the 50 to the 40 the same difficulty as gaining 10 from the 10? Bob, not trying to be a punk, but do you coach? Have you called plays in these situations? Someone just look up the analytics. And I could be wrong about the 15 (don’t think I am), but what about the 12?
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 23:03:15 GMT -6
Same in high school. I do not like the 10. For two reasons. 1) It is actually hard to score from the 10. I think you would score more from the 15 since you can get a first down. But you still have to go 10 yards to do it. And then another 5. So why would you score more? Because you can get a first down. Who has access to analytics? Can someone look up expected score with 1st down on the 15 and first and goal on the 10?
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 23:01:54 GMT -6
I think 8 minutes is a bit too short... I say playoffs play an extra quarter. It is the playoffs. NOBODY is complaining about having to play extra football in the playoffs I am fine with an extra 2 minutes. Or 4.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 17:36:28 GMT -6
Strictly mid-Winter tongue in cheek: Have each Head Coach square off at mid field. As determined by coin flip: They take turns kicking each other in the groin until one can't get up. I'd be inclined to win the toss, go on offense, take my best shot, and then forfeit. (sorry, it's Friday and I'm waiting for the adult beverages to kick in) Lol. I did chuckle cause I didn’t see that coming. Ha
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 16:32:20 GMT -6
Ummmm..... Because there are TWO halves?? Maybe there should be a coin toss at start of 2nd Half too then. Receive, defend a goal, kick - those are your options. I cannot tell if you are being serious or joking. You are usually on point on everything. But both teams can receive (and usually do 99.9999% of the time) a kickoff to start a half. So - fair. Only one team can in the OT. So, not exactly fair. Could be fair with some modifications.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 16:19:32 GMT -6
I'd favor a variation of the NCAA overtime, except the possessions start at the 50, and after the first overtime, you have to go for 2 point conversions after a TD. College football OT. My fix for that is don't start at the 25. That is absurd on the face of it. Lose 10 yards and you can still kick a FG. They should definitely start at the 40 or 50. Same in high school. I do not like the 10. For two reasons. 1) It is actually hard to score from the 10. I think you would score more from the 15 since you can get a first down. 2) Now the high school team with a bad kicker can even kick a 27 yard FG. I just think you should have to do something to be in scoring range.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 16:16:32 GMT -6
If Coin Toss at beginning of game, where winner gets to "Defer" their option to Second Half, is "fair" - Ummmm..... Because there are TWO halves??
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 13:44:56 GMT -6
In one of the new spring leagues they had something along the lines of you either choose to take the ball or choose what yard line to start on. So if I picked the yard line the other team could decide to take the ball or give it up. If you picked to take the ball the other team could pick what yard line you started. It was an interesting idea. I like this.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 13:41:43 GMT -6
I think in the long run, it will all sort out. But it is KILLING the 2022 class. Will most likely hurt the next two classes also. In a few years, the kids with the extra covid years will be gone. In a few years, a lot of kids will have already used their free transfer. But right now, most all current college players have those TWO items in their pocket, so 2022 kids are really messed up. I understand that and I'd be angry too if I was still in the game. The real issue isn't the transfers. It's the covid eligibility rules. I think that all of us saw that there was going to be a problem when they gave everybody an extra year of eligibility without increasing scholarship limits. I don't know what to do about it and obviously neither does anybody at the NCAA. I don't think that they shoulkd make big long-term changes for a temporary problem. The answer is easy. Add 5 (or whatever) scholarships that have to go to incoming freshman this year. 4 the next. 3 the next, etc.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 9:33:39 GMT -6
Go old school and use the penetration rule! So I never coached with that rule. But I do have a question. When that rule was in effect, would teams go for it on 4th down a good bit when on the -45 or so? If so, that does make it interesting. Oh wait, I just realized something. I don't quite know the rule. If you go for it on 4th down on the -45 and don't get it, does the other team get a penetration point (or however they scored it)? Do you get one if you start there is what I am asking.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 28, 2022 6:29:33 GMT -6
In the long run is this actually a real problem? I think in the long run, it will all sort out. But it is KILLING the 2022 class. Will most likely hurt the next two classes also. In a few years, the kids with the extra covid years will be gone. In a few years, a lot of kids will have already used their free transfer. But right now, most all current college players have those TWO items in their pocket, so 2022 kids are really messed up.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 27, 2022 21:22:09 GMT -6
Which they can do when they "break" the contract. Not sure where you are going here. You keep proposing situations such that it is undeniably an employer/employee relationship. I understand what you are proposing, but I think such a situation would result in further issues regarding the employment status of student athletes. Ok. It is an employer/employee relationship. That is what it is anyways. And ummmmmmm..... NIL deals???
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Post by silkyice on Jan 27, 2022 20:38:35 GMT -6
]No, they can still transfer again, just have to sit a year Which they can do when they "break" the contract. Not sure where you are going here.
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