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Post by brophy on Oct 16, 2013 4:56:35 GMT -6
to me that is not complicated...... superfluous, unnecessary, verbose, inefficient = making things more complex than they need to be (complicated) then get {censored} when the kids don't readily adapt to it and not getting the calls out fast enough
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Post by brophy on Oct 16, 2013 2:34:45 GMT -6
c'mon, why would we want to simplify stuff? How are we supposed to sound cool like this guy if we're not making this as complicated as humanly possible?
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Post by brophy on Oct 15, 2013 13:49:21 GMT -6
do most college / pro staffs have GA/interns perform these functions or do the coordinators do it? Is there value? yes Would you buy it? probably nottime is still a resource. what else could you be doing in those 3 hours? What else? playing golf, fishing, spending time with my family.... I could do all kinds of things if I didn't this job. We watch the games. We break them down as we watch them. So, if you are watching the game offsite and entering my data for me during that time, what will I be doing? probably, uh, still watching that game film. So, I'm missing the point. You're watching it anyway. You can a) watch it with no data and keep it that way b) watch it & put data to it the 1st time you watch it c) outsource it to another staff member(s) or to some fictional company that will do it for you. now, you control c) if it is handled on staff. you will still likely have to modify a few things but not much. you lose quite a bit of control if the trade is occurring out of your hands and the fictional breakdown is being done offsite and by someone not on your staff - you don't have immediate access to speak with, help, encourage, etc. really, this seems somewhat silly ... if we must play along, then what other duties need to be done during the day on saturday and does everyone have to do each duty or can we delegate? can some coaches work the team out, can others do laundry & clean up, can others do input of data, etc.... if your staff isn't large enough, is your budget? if you don't trust your own coaches to do a good job, you're now going to trust joe computer guy? can you modify the film trade parameters to help with this time burden? i.e. trade earlier, trade breakdown data (i mean a 1st a 10 from the right has on the 30 here in Texas is probably a 1st and 10 from the right hash on the 30 over in Louisiana... so why not just trade that stuff?). what efforts can be made on this end - nothing financial - to help alleviate all this burden? go down that road first. exactly. The logistics of the service would mean it would have to come at a premium, let alone the QC required to gain a true benefit from it. There is VALUE to it, but the COST may not be justified. To make the COST worth it, you'd have to have a provider that could 1. guarantee this is done by 10 a.m. Saturday morning at the latest 2. guarantee that at the minimum the D&D, ODK, Gain, BC, hash is entered 3. If you want more, now I have to have someone on staff to verify you did what I ordered (i.e. formation/front naming, play name, etc) The staff will still be conducting a film session, will still be watching that film throughout the week. Its a lot like, would you pay someone to edge your yard? Well, if you're going to be mowing the yard anyway, what benefit do I get to have someone take a weedeater to it? I'm already going to be outside working, so I may as well muscle through and do the edging, too.... The price would have to be low enough to justify purchasing the service for a minimum of 10 games and also so low that it would compel you to take away this menial grunt work for assistants to grind/learn. I know we've had discussions on this a decade ago regarding drawing up scout cards vs storing them on a PPT.....or breaking down film from tape vs cataloging digitally..... THAT being said, I could see a staff using the service, PARTICULARLY if you inherit off-season film of your former years / opponents. That would make a huge difference, IMO, when all I want to do in March is review all the 1st & 10 plays of my conference opponents.
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Post by brophy on Oct 15, 2013 10:24:06 GMT -6
You've got to convince them (and their parents) how important it is to your program. If you can't, you're done. The best way to get it done from a weight room standpoint is to get them into a weightlifting class during the day. This eliminates worrying about getting them in the afternoon--conflicts with other sports, etc. To do this, you've got to have an administration who will do what it takes from a scheduling standpoint to make it work; you've got to get the parents to buy in so that they sign off on getting their sons in those classes, and you've got to convince the players they need to be in them. the operative question for the OP is HOW?
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Post by brophy on Oct 15, 2013 10:16:19 GMT -6
do most college / pro staffs have GA/interns perform these functions or do the coordinators do it? Is there value? yes Would you buy it? probably not can do a game in an hour that way. 3 hours later, all your games are broken down & labeled. time is still a resource. what else could you be doing in those 3 hours?
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Post by brophy on Oct 15, 2013 8:37:26 GMT -6
to be contrarian $900 vs a $2500 stipend.... have 3 paid assistants or 1? true. Maybe your program has money to burn ( I've never been a part of any that are like that ) However, if someone started this service, I would come in and outsource to the Philippines and offer it for $25/game. 1. Nobel Peace Prize 2. 3. PROFIT! ** I just have to figure out what that 2nd step isI think the key would be... the charter creates a template of all formations and fronts and to get started, you'd have to label what you call each formation. Logistically, this is a nightmare I know..... To make it easier, you ought to be able to have the charter speak one language (his terminology) then just create a mapping table to replace your "Eagle" front to their "Over" front. One man's "lead" is another man's "smash".... I've heard about it, but I've never seen a program where there are 3+ assistant coaches you can trust with carrying their weight (I've only seen 1 - 2 coaches actually using HUDL correctly)
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Post by brophy on Oct 15, 2013 7:06:37 GMT -6
Coach A - ODK, Down and Distance, Yardline, and Hash Coach B - Strength, Play Direction, Field/Boundary, and Play Direction Coach C - Formation, Play, and Result (this coach also creates scout cards for the week) that is 1.5 hours x 3 at $20/hour is $90 I mean, if you divide it by your stipend, then it amounts to $0.0000323/ hour How valuable is your time? The real rub will be, as a coach, you're STILL going to be watching that film multiple different times (whether the stats are entered or not). Is mundane film breakdown crucial/necessary for development as a coach? yes.... However, what is it WORTH to have the metrics already entered into the database for scouting? If these components could be automatically entered by the HUDL program (not a person) would we be against it? I wouldn't think the data entry would absolve us from game planning/scouting, just the administrative component of it. Would I pay for it? It is a difficult business case to justify, but I think there is value there for your time
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Post by brophy on Oct 14, 2013 23:57:17 GMT -6
what percent of your roster goes on to the next level?
dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Post by brophy on Oct 14, 2013 15:53:56 GMT -6
how long does it take your staff to input for 120 - 160 plays?
D&D, O/D, Hash, Formation, Run/Pass, Motion, Play name / Pass Concept, Ball Carrier, Gain
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Front, Coverage, Blitz, Stunt
what would we pay someone to outsource play calling? Just curious
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Post by brophy on Oct 14, 2013 15:02:47 GMT -6
totally worth it, IMO that would be a lot of effort and it is totally reliant on the quality of film you've got. Use HUDL interns? Nope, we're gonna undercut ya with
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Post by brophy on Oct 14, 2013 13:49:51 GMT -6
including 7th & 8th graders into the lifting program is the best decision you'll ever make.
Post-season meeting with players: Get EVERYONE considering football to show up for a 1 hour meeting. Layout what is required to win (weight room). Get their names, numbers, emails....If you have a limited number of juniors, just take them to the State championship game and get them interested in what the game CAN be.
Post-season meeting with coaches: Let your staff know the expectations of being a coach in your program. The 2014 is just starting. Put them in charge of lifting sessions and let them know what the calendar will look like for the next 12 months. You guys are going to XYZ clinic in January, everyone is going (period). The key to your off-season program will be the participation % of your coaches.
Another follow-up meeting with coaches during the bowl games to list every single available player in your program. Cement what you're doing on offense/defense and stick to it. Where do those players fit in with that system?
Nov - Jan: Core lifts, keep it simple...focus on instruction. Go as far as bringing in personal trainers for a session or two just to hammer home the message of proper form. Work the community to get donations/sponsorships for T-shirts, swag, outings. Start contacting every kid that showed up for that meeting and see where they are at. Be a bill collector and hound them about their commitment.
*put up a BIG records board in your weight room. All the core lifts broken down by weight class. Get the kids' names on the board when they max
Feb - May: Heavy cleans / squats....alternate plyos into the routine and start your monthly strongman competitions (T-shirt for each weight class winner). Start ramping up the guys that are showing up into community service (for the summer). When the weather gets nice, go toss the ball around after lifting. In addition to strongman, plan a monthly activity (bowling, Madden, tennis, basketball, etc) whatever....get them focused on competing in anything. MAX every 3 months, mandatory attendance.
Take the kids that are attending to the local spring college game and go as a group. You need your coaches supporting this....you need parents supporting this.
June - August: this should be about getting them to peak come August....incorporate more speed work and don't "practice", but gather the kids and explain their defense/offense (okay, it IS practice....sssshhh)
July - August: Team camp.....get the kids out to a 7on7 competition or to a TEAM camp that does more for bonding than any real football benefit (since it doesn't count toward regular season).
will you win more games? I dunno....it sure won't hurt, but with this you will at least have a TEAM and not just a bunch of athletes in uniform.
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Post by brophy on Oct 12, 2013 0:44:22 GMT -6
i GUARANTEE none of those players got to the NFL because of some camp......save that used car sales pitch for pee wee league parents.
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Post by brophy on Oct 10, 2013 15:53:20 GMT -6
New Guys
anybody know how to stop the A-11?
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2013 13:59:06 GMT -6
Its not really a difference of opinion (we all agree with your position) However, you're assuming the OP is talking about and have gone off (derailing) into tangents against selfish showboating. NO ONE is talking about orchestrated celebrations The OP and the rest of us are talking about
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2013 11:49:46 GMT -6
missing the point of the OP and we just can't be bothered
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2013 11:47:07 GMT -6
They have had that talk, I don't need to sit them down and tell how they are hurting their team....Its a speech they have had given 100's of time just in their teens....I can have team meeting and tell them how they are to do things....Its not a suggestion. If they are doing it on the football field, they are doing it at home, in the classroom....This aint a firt...it is naïve to believe otherwise. so how are you going to get more out of those players?
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2013 11:04:47 GMT -6
NFL crap is a solo thing.
What we are talking about, what the OP posted about, was showing emotion for good production. A RB scores a TD, his offensive line rush down to congratulate him. That is something that is taught.
What we're talking about is essentially a pat on the butt. No one is talking about how to choreograph the funky chicken and stanky leg.
We are talking about reinforcing:
* WHAT should be celebrated (identifying GAME CHANGING plays are important and can happen at any time - why shouldn't it be YOU that makes it happen?!)
* HOW it should be done (all teammates directing accomplishment recognition as a group) ----------I would go so far as to suggest that if it isn't done with enough intensity or fast enough, then that unit regroup on the sideline until it is done correctly.
* WHO is involved (not just the guys near the player....but EVERYONE)
* WHEN to do it.....EVERY TIME, be consistent, establish the intensity and tempo of what is expected.
The more you control as a coach, the less you'll have to worry about kids deviating from the script. If a ball carrier is on the ground, coaches should be on their OLine to get down and help that player up. If we just scored, the OLine should be pretty darn close to the ball carrier, hustling into the end zone, or they will get an earful If we just got an INT on defense, and you're not hustling to make a block, a coach should be reaming that kid for effort.
Not only do we have to teach the game, we have to reinforce HOW to play the game at the standards we expect (it ain't gonna happen by itself)
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2013 10:53:41 GMT -6
No one is out going or demonstrative as I am. I whoop up every big hit and big play and all that, kids do too. I just don't like the showboating crap that is NFL style celebrations and think they don't even belong in practice. and, yet, that isn't what the OP is talking about.
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2013 10:47:53 GMT -6
what do your practices look like? Are COACHES celebrating big plays (turnovers, takeaways, explosive gains, etc) during practice? If not, don't expect your kids to adopt that practice on their own. And by celebrating plays....I mean, EVERY play. You should do it so much that it becomes how you practice. So whenever we get a sack, pick, hit on defense, me as a coach is hollering (and participating) and telling kids to pat the guy responsible on the helmet. EVERY time it happens. Kids won't think you're serious so you have to do it again and again. After a while, they will do it on their own out of habit. So whenever the kid that produces a big play...he will be getting surrounded by his teammates with affirmation (because, after all, whether we admit it, THAT is why we play the game)
Also, some kids "GET UP!!", some don't. So long as they perform and are having fun, that's all that matters. Being demonstrative doesn't mean productive.
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Post by brophy on Oct 2, 2013 10:26:36 GMT -6
the easy answer is to get rid of them and have complete control
The difficult answer is to develop a relationship with them. The fact that they give effort some of the time is hopeful.
It would help to meet with them outside of the group, in your office, and be real frank about their abilities ("Guys we know you're the best talent out there....") and put it back on them that they have a responsibility to help out the other guys by pushing the other kids. It can't be a "me vs this studs". There are benefits for those kids (usually a path towards scholly) where there incentive to compete may exceed that of the average players. There needs to be more skin in the game for their effort than just making some plays in practice. Take these kids out and expose them to other talent (ala other camps, other campuses), it can be a humbling experience.
That being said, not every kid can be saved. They will either grow up and understand their role or they will find an out and be off the team.
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Post by brophy on Oct 1, 2013 11:01:50 GMT -6
have you taken this group out to eat?
Just regroup (that includes the non-starters). Cut up the first games of all the good things they've done, the good individual blocks (even when the play blows), order some pizzas and treat them nice.
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Post by brophy on Sept 26, 2013 11:12:13 GMT -6
good job, coach what were you teaching again? Does he still collect his stipend?
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Post by brophy on Sept 24, 2013 20:51:10 GMT -6
this seems to come up every season...
It makes me wonder who in the blue hell thinks its a good idea to get married during football season? It doesn't even matter if you like football, WHY get married during football season?
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Post by brophy on Sept 24, 2013 14:41:52 GMT -6
1. Make a point that your entire staff show up and watch middle school and elementary games. It helps to "coincidentally" wear your gear.
2. Volunteer your kids (F-Sr) to ref youth games. Helps if you're not bringing the kids in on the weekends. Amazing how a 10 year old views a 17 year old football player. Seeing those HSers take interest in kids playing (and taking the spotlight) makes a big difference.
3. HC should always make a visit to the middle schools in April (Phys Ed teachers gather all the MS players after school). It helps to bring current players with their jersey with you.
4. Recognize youth teams one night at your home game halftime or before the game. Its a big deal for those kids to just be on the field on Friday nights under the lights.
5. Follow #4 up with a "MS night" where your staff, players, and even cheerleaders host feeder kids to one of school's winter home basketball games.
** all these are fairly cheap endeavors and don't take much
When we get kids in the program, you put your leadership council in charge of squads comprised of all kids playing football.
Example: You have 12 kids who make it through off-season leadership council....those 12 guys draft every player in your program, starting with the Freshmen class, then the Sophomores, then the Juniors, and finally the Seniors.
It is the leader of that group to keep tabs on the members in his group, calling them letting them know of 7on7s, dates, and calling them out on missing lifting sessions.
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2013 13:09:28 GMT -6
How do you plan to change it? I have tried everything I can. Weight lifting club after school. Tried to bring in a certified SCC to talk to all our coaches/admins about the importance of strength training for all sports, paid for by football. Offered to stay after practices. Offered to come in early for a zero hour. 1. Sorry to hear that. I know how frustrating that is. 2. what is the incentive for a teen / pre-teen to join lifting sessions? 3. what is the COACHING STAFF attendance % for off-season? 4. Get sponsorship from the community (from anyone) to get T-shirts and swag so every month in the off-season you are doing some type of competition (bowling, strongman, endurance tests, Video Game Tourney, etc) to keep your kids focused on winning.....winning anything...and establishing their place in the peer community. 5. Once you have #4, establish a leadership council that you do leadership training for Sophs - Juniors who are above 95% attendance Getting kids to show up is job #1. What can you do about it now? Gee, I don't know....just try to have fun this season, include more non-starters with your relationships. Focus on feeders and underclassmen now. Have your staff attend games of your middle school feeder.
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2013 8:58:56 GMT -6
what about spot play during a game? When a kid is struggling (or just not performing at a high level) during a game, pulling him and putting his backup in becomes a real wake up call, because he'll hear it from his parents all weekend ("why aren't you playing?! How come that underclassman smaller and slower than you got your playing time?")
I've seen this make a MAJOR turnaround on some Seniors.
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2013 8:55:53 GMT -6
what is the off-season participation % like?
Its hard to care about things that you're not invested in.
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Post by brophy on Sept 19, 2013 12:36:52 GMT -6
I think a viable option would be to increase the number of mean, stray dogs near your feeder programs to develop explosive muscle fiber in adolescents that will be growing up in your program.
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Post by brophy on Sept 19, 2013 12:18:10 GMT -6
I watched Korem's 13 minute explanation, but this is the same thing we've known about since Boyd Epley in the 90s (periodization, nutrition, muscle system training, recovery). Korem reminds me of a guy who has a lot of time on his hands and is looking to quantify common knowledge with all types of (unnecessary) metrics. Must be nice to hook up every player up to an EKG and compile vitals for a few practices.... The removal of music...sure, you can pump yourself up without music....but this is 1% of actual impact. As a HS coach, I would think I'm trying to squeeze every bit of effort out of all our kids in the 28 months I get to train, because most aren't elite athletes.
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Post by brophy on Sept 19, 2013 10:07:37 GMT -6
maybe the link is bad or something, but the video cut off before the S&C guy supported his assertion with "scientific evidence" (i.e. he didn't provide any clear connection that music is a crutch for peak performance)
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