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Post by tiger46 on Dec 13, 2007 16:32:32 GMT -6
I understand anything can happen in a football game. But, I would kick the field goal if it was a play-off game in Texas. I don't know the rules of where you coach at. But, in Texas, if a play-off game ended in a tie, the team with the most penetrations inside the 20yrd line was deemed the winner. It seems that your team had more penetrations. So, there's a good chance my defense is going to stop them from getting a TD. It's not as imperative that our defense does stop them. And, even we don't stop them, we get the ball back(if we recover the onside). My offense dances around a bit and we win anyway on penetrations. If I'm wrong about who had the most penetrations.....oops, my bad. Forget what I just said.... go for it!
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Post by djwesp on Dec 13, 2007 16:38:12 GMT -6
But, in Texas, if a play-off game ended in a tie, the team with the most penetrations inside the 20yrd line was deemed the winner. Most NFHS governed states have an overtime similar to college football. Some begin at the 10 yardline, 20, sometimes 25. They go until a score is not reciprocated.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 15, 2007 10:57:03 GMT -6
But, in Texas, if a play-off game ended in a tie, the team with the most penetrations inside the 20yrd line was deemed the winner. This hasn't been the case in 10 years. There are no ties in high school football in texas regardless of regular season or playoffs. we play by ncaa rules. alternate possessions starting at the plus 25.
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 15, 2007 13:35:02 GMT -6
Same rule here in PA, but we go from the 10 vice the 25.
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Post by gmccown on Dec 15, 2007 17:13:04 GMT -6
No doubt in my mind, I go for it. I would rather loose fighting that loose because I put the game in the hands of a soccer player. You have to trust your offense. They got you to within 2 yards of the end zone...they can get the rest. Who says the kick isn't blocked anyway? At least with the ball in the hands of my best runner, on our best offensive play, I know we have our best possible shot at victory. Go for it, 100%.
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Post by sweeptilltheyweep on Dec 15, 2007 18:38:25 GMT -6
I am happy that coaches like these exist, cuz once my team stuffs you in the backfield we will be so juiced, the win will be inevitible as we march downfield and take the clock with us.
think of it from the opposite side, i'd be praying for you to go for it if I was down and once you didn't make it i'd think "wow,thanks for that one"
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Post by phantom on Dec 15, 2007 18:51:03 GMT -6
it's real simple for me. I'd go for it!!! What is more likely, a 98 yard scoring drive or a 98 yard KO return? i'd put my defense up against an offense that has only scored 17 points, to have to go 98 yards. I haven't seen that many 98 yard KO returns. In fact our kicker doesn't usually kick it to the 2. He can squib and pooch, though. I'm with d5085. I'd rather have them going for a tie on the last drive than for a win.
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Post by gmccown on Dec 15, 2007 21:27:38 GMT -6
Wow...getting a little inflamed here aren't we? The question that started the thread was "what would you do in this situation". I don't remember it asking for what would the unfalable, unbeatable, most awsome coach in the world...sweeptilltheyweep..who thinks his D is so much better than the offenses coached by people he doesn't even know...do in this situation. We all know your teams...like your apparent ego can't be stopped.
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Post by sweeptilltheyweep on Dec 16, 2007 1:04:56 GMT -6
If we couldn't be stopped I would go for it of course . but then again, the score wouldn't be 21-17 in the 4th quarter either.
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Post by gmccown on Dec 16, 2007 10:52:36 GMT -6
WOW...I can tell you that there are a couple of coaches on this thread who I know, who's teams I've seen play personally, who responded that they would go for it. I would challenge you to try and stop either of those teams from getting 2 yards in a key situation. I would be willing to bet that they would get that TD 7 out of 10 on almost anyone. I think a lot of this depends on the team your coaching and the offense your using at the time.
I just think you have to put faith in your kids to win. It's their team and their game. I lost a conference title in my 2nd season coaching because of what I considered stupid gambles. For us we kicked deep leading 21-6 with 1:37 to play and gave up a TD return, the took the ball to their 49 and punted on 4th and 1 with just over 1:20, they returned it over 50 yards and marched in on 3 plays. 21-20 no time on clock. They went for 2 and walked in untouched.
I learned a valuable lesson from that game. Had I gone for it and succeeded it's game over, had I gone for it and gotten stopped they would have had to use a lot more clock to score twice.
I've never had a keeker who was consistant enough to be trusted to win or seal a ballgame.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 16, 2007 10:56:41 GMT -6
gmc--kicker??? Sound's like you didn't have a coverage team that could be trusted to me. Why do you assume they would have had to use a lot more clock? They obviously had some big play potential (returns are big plays). Was your return team comprised of significantly different players than your defense?
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Post by gmccown on Dec 16, 2007 18:24:54 GMT -6
No, but they had one kid deep that they would give the ball to on every kick return who was far far better than anyone we had. The kickoff mistake was kicking deep to him. We had contained him well on offense, he killed us on spec. teams.
Here is my thought process on that one. If I had it to do over I would have squib kicked a short kickoff. They probably would have taken over on the 35-45. At that point we were playing good D and had the momentum off the TD that put us up 21-6. If they scored it would have most likely taken more than 3 plays and eaten a lot of clock as they only had 2 timeout. If they scored it would have taken 5-6 plays min and eaten the clock down 40-50 sec min. That leaves them with about 35-55 seconds, 1 or no timeouts. They would have kicked an onside and if they recovered still had to drive for the winning score with 1 or no timeouts. That loss was on me for kicking deep, and for punting.
The kicker comment was a stand alone comment not really related to that particular game. I've never had a good kicker, most of the kids I've had were flakes and cracked under pressure.
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Post by biggerblue on Dec 17, 2007 0:36:21 GMT -6
i was in a similar situation this past season and i called the go ahead and we scored... but that cuz i knew our kicker wasnt very good under pressure and also i knew that our defense was spectacular so i knew that they could stop them when we needed them to and that helped us win the game...
but remeber in this situation its time to open the playbook and go to your trick plays and unleash hell on them ya know..LOL
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Post by gmccown on Dec 19, 2007 14:44:10 GMT -6
but of course it's all about the style points these days!
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Post by tiger46 on Dec 19, 2007 14:54:46 GMT -6
This hasn't been the case in 10 years. There are no ties in high school football in texas regardless of regular season or playoffs. we play by ncaa rules. alternate possessions starting at the plus 25.
LoL! It's definitely been over 10 yrs since I graduated HS. But, 'penetrations' used to matter back then. And, there were definitely no ties allowed.
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2007 16:57:51 GMT -6
WOW...I can tell you that there are a couple of coaches on this thread who I know, who's teams I've seen play personally, who responded that they would go for it. I would challenge you to try and stop either of those teams from getting 2 yards in a key situation. I would be willing to bet that they would get that TD 7 out of 10 on almost anyone. I think a lot of this depends on the team your coaching and the offense your using at the time. I just think you have to put faith in your kids to win. It's their team and their game. I lost a conference title in my 2nd season coaching because of what I considered stupid gambles. For us we kicked deep leading 21-6 with 1:37 to play and gave up a TD return, the took the ball to their 49 and punted on 4th and 1 with just over 1:20, they returned it over 50 yards and marched in on 3 plays. 21-20 no time on clock. They went for 2 and walked in untouched. I learned a valuable lesson from that game. Had I gone for it and succeeded it's game over, had I gone for it and gotten stopped they would have had to use a lot more clock to score twice. I've never had a keeker who was consistant enough to be trusted to win or seal a ballgame. We have. Kicking deep may have been a mistake. A squib or pooch, depending on what your kicker was better off, might have been the better move. Punting? It was the better percentage move. You'll win more than you lose doing that.
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Post by SetHut on Dec 19, 2007 20:40:41 GMT -6
PantherPride, do I have a time-out. Boy, I hope so 'cause I'd take my last time out and call the team over to the near hash. I'd give 'em 10 seconds to get their water. Then, knowing what we are GOING to do, I'd ask them what they thought we ought to do to give them some ownership in the decision. I would expect them to want to go for it but if their suggestion is FG--I'd steer the decision to "go for it". (But I agree with YASH, too.)Then I'd challenge the OL [for themselves, team, community, and family] to beat their guy one, only one, more time and then I'd look my best back in the eye and challenge him to get behind these big butts (along with a lead back), run our off-tackle power play and get in the end zone. They will be foaming at the mouth by the time they get to the LOS. As the team is going back on the field, I'd call the QB back and tell him to keep it. The OL will block like crazy--the backs will run harder than they ran all night--eleven defenders will tackle the TB and the QB runs untouched into the endzone. ~Swe-e-e-e-t~
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