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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2024 17:03:28 GMT -6
I have a few problems with the OP's premise and conclusion:
1. It's a false premise. I remember Saban's swat and, when it happened, he DID face some criticism from the talking heads. There may not have been a lot but it was there. Maybe on a Bama message board some fans praised it but I seem to remember the consensus being that, while not a good look, it wasn't a big deal.
2. It's a false equivalency. Saban's "meltdown" was NOTHING like ULM dude's.
3. I disagree with the idea that double standards are unethical.
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 10, 2024 17:46:31 GMT -6
I have a few problems with the OP's premise and conclusion: 1. It's a false premise. I remember Saban's swat and, when it happened, he DID face some criticism from the talking heads. There may not have been a lot but it was there. Maybe on a Bama message board some fans praised it but I seem to remember the consensus being that, while not a good look, it wasn't a big deal. Did you see my last response to you earlier in the thread? Ok on the first part, but it's still troublesome though to me that as a society, the judging of the behavior of the guy in the video vs the behavior of Saban (who, as much as I love him as a coach, repeatedly acted like a lunatic on the sideline, almost Bobby Knight levels of coming unhinged) is completely different instead, like I talked about in another post, being a gradient for most severe criticism to less severe criticism I don't know if I ever tried to say they were equivalent; I don't think they are the same. Also, I wasn't talking only about the slapping the QB incident in regard to Saban, I was also referring to Saban's pattern and history of acting like a lunatic on the sidelines. Interesting. Why is that? Typically we as a society, even though we can acknowledge double standards are a thing and engage in them, view double standards as a negative thing that we should try not to engage in. I'm frankly kind of taken aback to see someone not only not agree that double standards are bad, but instead try to defend them if I'm understanding you correctly in this thread. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2024 17:57:11 GMT -6
I have a few problems with the OP's premise and conclusion: 1. It's a false premise. I remember Saban's swat and, when it happened, he DID face some criticism from the talking heads. There may not have been a lot but it was there. Maybe on a Bama message board some fans praised it but I seem to remember the consensus being that, while not a good look, it wasn't a big deal. Did you see my last response to you earlier in the thread? Ok on the first part, but it's still troublesome though to me that as a society, the judging of the behavior of the guy in the video vs the behavior of Saban (who, as much as I love him as a coach, repeatedly acted like a lunatic on the sideline, almost Bobby Knight levels of coming unhinged) is completely different instead, like I talked about in another post, being a gradient for most severe criticism to less severe criticism I don't know if I ever tried to say they were equivalent; I don't think they are the same. Also, I wasn't talking only about the slapping the QB incident in regard to Saban, I was also referring to Saban's pattern and history of acting like a lunatic on the sidelines. Interesting. Why is that? Typically we as a society, even though we can acknowledge double standards are a thing and engage in them, view double standards as a negative thing that we should try not to engage in. I'm frankly kind of taken aback to see someone not only not agree that double standards are bad, but instead try to defend them if I'm understanding you correctly in this thread. All things being equal double standards aren't good but all things are rarely equal. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 10, 2024 18:16:38 GMT -6
Did you see my last response to you earlier in the thread? Ok on the first part, but it's still troublesome though to me that as a society, the judging of the behavior of the guy in the video vs the behavior of Saban (who, as much as I love him as a coach, repeatedly acted like a lunatic on the sideline, almost Bobby Knight levels of coming unhinged) is completely different instead, like I talked about in another post, being a gradient for most severe criticism to less severe criticism I don't know if I ever tried to say they were equivalent; I don't think they are the same. Also, I wasn't talking only about the slapping the QB incident in regard to Saban, I was also referring to Saban's pattern and history of acting like a lunatic on the sidelines. Interesting. Why is that? Typically we as a society, even though we can acknowledge double standards are a thing and engage in them, view double standards as a negative thing that we should try not to engage in. I'm frankly kind of taken aback to see someone not only not agree that double standards are bad, but instead try to defend them if I'm understanding you correctly in this thread. All things being equal double standards aren't good but all things are rarely equal. Ok, so then in this case, looking at this from the perspective of society judging these situations (and not the perspective of the ADs/employers as I've pointed out in several places in this thread, just so that's clear), how are the guy from the video and Saban not equal? Again, one guy having a stocked trophy case isn't valid reasoning to make them unequal, and not hold them to the same standard of behavior, as the other guy. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2024 19:12:58 GMT -6
Ok, so then in this case, looking at this from the perspective of society judging these situations (and not the perspective of the ADs/employers as I've pointed out in several places in this thread, just so that's clear), how are the guy from the video and Saban not equal? Again, one guy having a stocked trophy case isn't valid reasoning to make them unequal, and not hold them to the same standard of behavior, as the other guy. Not equal for several reasons. From my perspective and I believe most everyone else's, Saban has never looked unhinged or like a bully. He has always looked like he was coaching hard, aggressive, and loudly. But nevertheless coaching. He isn't just yelling. He is coaching!! The other coach looked every bit unhinged and like a bully because that player looked genuinely scared. He didn't really look like he wanted to coach that kid but that he wanted intimidate or belittle or even hurt that kid. The trophies do matter. Like it or not. But not really for the reason you think. Go back to my post on deposits and withdrawals. Saban has done this for a long time with success. He is a known quantity. His deposits are enormous. The other guy, I don't even know the other guys name, his college team, or even his coaching position. I do know he is not the head coach. That is it. So he has zero deposits with anyone form the outside. So $1,000,000,000 in deposits and $100,000 in withdrawals versus $0 in deposits and a big huge $1,000,000 withdrawal. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2024 19:34:51 GMT -6
Ok, so then in this case, looking at this from the perspective of society judging these situations (and not the perspective of the ADs/employers as I've pointed out in several places in this thread, just so that's clear), how are the guy from the video and Saban not equal? Again, one guy having a stocked trophy case isn't valid reasoning to make them unequal, and not hold them to the same standard of behavior, as the other guy. Not equal for several reasons. From my perspective and I believe most everyone else's, Saban has never looked unhinged or like a bully. He has always looked like he was coaching hard, aggressive, and loudly. But nevertheless coaching. He isn't just yelling. He is coaching!! The other coach looked every bit unhinged and like a bully because that player looked genuinely scared. He didn't really look like he wanted to coach that kid but that he wanted intimidate or belittle or even hurt that kid. The trophies do matter. Like it or not. But not really for the reason you think. Go back to my post on deposits and withdrawals. Saban has done this for a long time with success. He is a known quantity. His deposits are enormous. The other guy, I don't even know the other guys name, his college team, or even his coaching position. I do know he is not the head coach. That is it. So he has zero deposits with anyone form the outside. So $1,000,000,000 in deposits and $100,000 in withdrawals versus $0 in deposits and a big huge $1,000,000 withdrawal. I don't see Saban's actions as over the top either, just hard coaching. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 10, 2024 19:36:52 GMT -6
Ok, so then in this case, looking at this from the perspective of society judging these situations (and not the perspective of the ADs/employers as I've pointed out in several places in this thread, just so that's clear), how are the guy from the video and Saban not equal? Again, one guy having a stocked trophy case isn't valid reasoning to make them unequal, and not hold them to the same standard of behavior, as the other guy. Not equal for several reasons. From my perspective and I believe most everyone else's, Saban has never looked unhinged or like a bully. He has always looked like he was coaching hard, aggressive, and loudly. But nevertheless coaching. He isn't just yelling. He is coaching!! The other coach looked every bit unhinged and like a bully because that player looked genuinely scared. He didn't really look like he wanted to coach that kid but that he wanted intimidate or belittle or even hurt that kid. I'm sorry coach, I normally agree with you on most things, but hard disagree, here. Intimidation/rule through fear, both subtle and explicit, were 100% part of how Saban operated, both with his players and assistants (see his comment on "those are called @&&chewings" with Lane Kiffin). That being said, that doesn't take away from how good of a coach he was, and his character, both in trying to help his players be the best they could be, and in running a (as far as we know) clean program. My point is that they shouldn't. I get what you are saying about the concept of deposits and withdrawals. That certainly applies from the perspective of the AD/employer. But, that still shouldn't make someone immune from criticism for acting a certain kind of way that isn't a good look, even when it isn't as extreme as the jack@$$ in that video. And here's the thing I think I need to point out here: I'm not saying Saban shouldn't have acted like he did, I'm torn on that, because on the one hand you like to see the passion and intensity and see somebody give a f**k no matter what the score is (see his "Nickel! Nickel! NICKELLLLLLL! TIMEOUT! TIMEOUT!" from when they were up huge with 8 seconds left), I'm just saying and have said already, it bothers me that people rake one guy over the coals, and then let another guy completely off the hook because of his status, when really it should be a gradient of criticism as I've said. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 10, 2024 19:51:56 GMT -6
Not equal for several reasons. From my perspective and I believe most everyone else's, Saban has never looked unhinged or like a bully. He has always looked like he was coaching hard, aggressive, and loudly. But nevertheless coaching. He isn't just yelling. He is coaching!! The other coach looked every bit unhinged and like a bully because that player looked genuinely scared. He didn't really look like he wanted to coach that kid but that he wanted intimidate or belittle or even hurt that kid. The trophies do matter. Like it or not. But not really for the reason you think. Go back to my post on deposits and withdrawals. Saban has done this for a long time with success. He is a known quantity. His deposits are enormous. The other guy, I don't even know the other guys name, his college team, or even his coaching position. I do know he is not the head coach. That is it. So he has zero deposits with anyone form the outside. So $1,000,000,000 in deposits and $100,000 in withdrawals versus $0 in deposits and a big huge $1,000,000 withdrawal. I don't see Saban's actions as over the top either, just hard coaching. Probably should have posted this a lot earlier in the convo. This is just a 5 minute highlight clip, I'm sure there's plenty more from games and practices we'll never see. In my mind, these go beyond hard coaching/frustration, and boil over into borderline, if not outright, psychotic-esque rage. Most coaches at every level, especially the header, do not get this worked up. Even Belichick, who is considered Saban's contemporary and equal at the NFL level, never got this worked up. The message I get from you and others who say this is hard coaching (I don't want to put words in your mouth, correct me if this is not what you are saying), is that if you aren't boiling over with rage like Saban in the video below, you aren't coaching hard. If that's the case, I guess most coaches, including Belichick, are not coaching hard... You can coach hard without it going to the extremes you see in the video below. Again, don't get me wrong in all this, I love Saban, I love his scheme, he's been hilarious and on point in retirement on college gameday, but I'm not also so completely blinded by Crimson that I can't see things for what they are. I just don't see how you watch the video below and then still think he wasn't over the top, even if the first dude from the Twitter video was far worse. They are both over the top in my opinion, and so there should be a gradient of criticism, not raking one over the coals and letting the other off the hook or even praising them. Again, this is about the double standard, not Saban's behavior itself. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2024 20:23:02 GMT -6
I don't see Saban's actions as over the top either, just hard coaching. Probably should have posted this a lot earlier in the convo. This is just a 5 minute highlight clip, I'm sure there's plenty more from games and practices we'll never see. In my mind, these go beyond hard coaching/frustration, and boil over into borderline, if not outright, psychotic-esque rage. Most coaches at every level, especially the header, do not get this worked up. Even Belichick, who is considered Saban's contemporary and equal at the NFL level, never got this worked up. The message I get from you and others who say this is hard coaching (I don't want to put words in your mouth, correct me if this is not what you are saying), is that if you aren't boiling over with rage like Saban in the video below, you aren't coaching hard. If that's the case, I guess most coaches, including Belichick, are not coaching hard... You can coach hard without it going to the extremes you see in the video below. Again, don't get me wrong in all this, I love Saban, I love his scheme, he's been hilarious and on point in retirement on college gameday, but I'm not also so completely blinded by Crimson that I can't see things for what they are. I just don't see how you watch the video below and then still think he wasn't over the top, even if the first dude from the Twitter video was far worse. They are both over the top in my opinion, and so there should be a gradient of criticism, not raking one over the coals and letting the other off the hook or even praising them. Again, this is about the double standard, not Saban's behavior itself. I just watched that video. It was actually way milder than expected. Much milder. Coach, are you seriously comparing that video to the other situation? |
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Post by CS on Nov 10, 2024 20:29:20 GMT -6
I don't see Saban's actions as over the top either, just hard coaching. Probably should have posted this a lot earlier in the convo. This is just a 5 minute highlight clip, I'm sure there's plenty more from games and practices we'll never see. In my mind, these go beyond hard coaching/frustration, and boil over into borderline, if not outright, psychotic-esque rage. Most coaches at every level, especially the header, do not get this worked up. Even Belichick, who is considered Saban's contemporary and equal at the NFL level, never got this worked up. The message I get from you and others who say this is hard coaching (I don't want to put words in your mouth, correct me if this is not what you are saying), is that if you aren't boiling over with rage like Saban in the video below, you aren't coaching hard. If that's the case, I guess most coaches, including Belichick, are not coaching hard... You can coach hard without it going to the extremes you see in the video below. Again, don't get me wrong in all this, I love Saban, I love his scheme, he's been hilarious and on point in retirement on college gameday, but I'm not also so completely blinded by Crimson that I can't see things for what they are. I just don't see how you watch the video below and then still think he wasn't over the top, even if the first dude from the Twitter video was far worse. They are both over the top in my opinion, and so there should be a gradient of criticism, not raking one over the coals and letting the other off the hook or even praising them. Again, this is about the double standard, not Saban's behavior itself. Love the last clip but you’re way off base. None of those things are even close to the bullsh!t from the ULM coach. If that’s what you call over the line then I’ve been over the line many times. It’s not the same |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 10, 2024 20:34:26 GMT -6
Probably should have posted this a lot earlier in the convo. This is just a 5 minute highlight clip, I'm sure there's plenty more from games and practices we'll never see. In my mind, these go beyond hard coaching/frustration, and boil over into borderline, if not outright, psychotic-esque rage. Most coaches at every level, especially the header, do not get this worked up. Even Belichick, who is considered Saban's contemporary and equal at the NFL level, never got this worked up. The message I get from you and others who say this is hard coaching (I don't want to put words in your mouth, correct me if this is not what you are saying), is that if you aren't boiling over with rage like Saban in the video below, you aren't coaching hard. If that's the case, I guess most coaches, including Belichick, are not coaching hard... You can coach hard without it going to the extremes you see in the video below. Again, don't get me wrong in all this, I love Saban, I love his scheme, he's been hilarious and on point in retirement on college gameday, but I'm not also so completely blinded by Crimson that I can't see things for what they are. I just don't see how you watch the video below and then still think he wasn't over the top, even if the first dude from the Twitter video was far worse. They are both over the top in my opinion, and so there should be a gradient of criticism, not raking one over the coals and letting the other off the hook or even praising them. Again, this is about the double standard, not Saban's behavior itself. I just watched that video. It was actually way milder than expected. Much milder. Coach, are you seriously comparing that video to the other situation? It was milder than you expected, ok, but would you agree it's still over the top? I personally would say it's much closer to Bobby Knight type behavior than how most football coaches carry themselves. Not saying the two videos are the same, at all. But as I've said multiple times in this thread, it's still over the top compared to how most coaches act in my view, just to a lesser extent than the first video, and yet the narrative shifts from raking the first guy over the coals (deservedly so), to suddenly completely letting the second guy (Saban) off the hook, even though the way he acted was still over the top, just less extreme (and we all know why that is, it's because of his status, which isn't a valid reason to just completely let someone off the hook, I do not give two chits if that's how it is, that is not how it ought to be, is and ought are two different things). As I've said several times in this thread, what it should be, is a gradient of criticism, from the hardest criticism for the most extreme, to increasingly less hard criticism the less extreme it gets. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 10, 2024 20:36:08 GMT -6
Probably should have posted this a lot earlier in the convo. This is just a 5 minute highlight clip, I'm sure there's plenty more from games and practices we'll never see. In my mind, these go beyond hard coaching/frustration, and boil over into borderline, if not outright, psychotic-esque rage. Most coaches at every level, especially the header, do not get this worked up. Even Belichick, who is considered Saban's contemporary and equal at the NFL level, never got this worked up. The message I get from you and others who say this is hard coaching (I don't want to put words in your mouth, correct me if this is not what you are saying), is that if you aren't boiling over with rage like Saban in the video below, you aren't coaching hard. If that's the case, I guess most coaches, including Belichick, are not coaching hard... You can coach hard without it going to the extremes you see in the video below. Again, don't get me wrong in all this, I love Saban, I love his scheme, he's been hilarious and on point in retirement on college gameday, but I'm not also so completely blinded by Crimson that I can't see things for what they are. I just don't see how you watch the video below and then still think he wasn't over the top, even if the first dude from the Twitter video was far worse. They are both over the top in my opinion, and so there should be a gradient of criticism, not raking one over the coals and letting the other off the hook or even praising them. Again, this is about the double standard, not Saban's behavior itself. Love the last clip but you’re way off base. None of those things are even close to the bullsh!t from the ULM coach. If that’s what you call over the line then I’ve been over the line many times. It’s not the same I've said several times in this thread they are not the same, just that it's still over the top (especially compared to how most in this profession carry themselves), and that if it's still over the top, then it should still get criticism, just less severe criticism than the first guy, not just a huge jump to automatic free pass or even praise for it. |
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Post by 44special on Nov 10, 2024 22:10:31 GMT -6
I just watched that video. It was actually way milder than expected. Much milder. Coach, are you seriously comparing that video to the other situation? It was milder than you expected, ok, but would you agree it's still over the top? I personally would say it's much closer to Bobby Knight type behavior than how most football coaches carry themselves. Not saying the two videos are the same, at all. But as I've said multiple times in this thread, it's still over the top compared to how most coaches act in my view, just to a lesser extent than the first video, and yet the narrative shifts from raking the first guy over the coals (deservedly so), to suddenly completely letting the second guy (Saban) off the hook, even though the way he acted was still over the top, just less extreme (and we all know why that is, it's because of his status, which isn't a valid reason to just completely let someone off the hook, I do not give two chits if that's how it is, that is not how it ought to be, is and ought are two different things). As I've said several times in this thread, what it should be, is a gradient of criticism, from the hardest criticism for the most extreme, to increasingly less hard criticism the less extreme it gets. no. he's pissed, but i don't see out of control rage. if that's over the top, don't ever coach in texas. didn't see the other video, so don't know about it. |
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Post by CS on Nov 11, 2024 4:44:58 GMT -6
Love the last clip but you’re way off base. None of those things are even close to the bullsh!t from the ULM coach. If that’s what you call over the line then I’ve been over the line many times. It’s not the same I've said several times in this thread they are not the same, just that it's still over the top (especially compared to how most in this profession carry themselves), and that if it's still over the top, then it should still get criticism, just less severe criticism than the first guy, not just a huge jump to automatic free pass or even praise for it. I really don’t see anything wrong with that video. I’ve also never seen anyone praise him when he does that. More like joking around like “uh oh he’s gonna get an ear full.” |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 11, 2024 8:16:02 GMT -6
I've said several times in this thread they are not the same, just that it's still over the top (especially compared to how most in this profession carry themselves), and that if it's still over the top, then it should still get criticism, just less severe criticism than the first guy, not just a huge jump to automatic free pass or even praise for it. I really don’t see anything wrong with that video. Aight. To each their own, I guess. Ok. I have, and I've seen people not only praise him for it, but defend him for it. |
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Post by CS on Nov 11, 2024 9:36:54 GMT -6
I really don’t see anything wrong with that video. Aight. To each their own, I guess. Ok. I have, and I've seen people not only praise him for it, but defend him for it. I don't doubt you have. I just don't see even a reason for people to get riled up about what Saban does. The a$$ slap was weird but nothing too crazy. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 11, 2024 9:49:29 GMT -6
Aight. To each their own, I guess. Ok. I have, and I've seen people not only praise him for it, but defend him for it. I don't doubt you have. I just don't see even a reason for people to get riled up about what Saban does. The a$$ slap was weird but nothing too crazy. Like I said, this thread wasn't supposed to be about bashing Saban, I personally love the passion and intensity from him, and it's absolutely fkn hilarious to me how intense he was on the sideline, this was about how people judge behavior from afar inconsistently based on someone's status. |
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Post by CS on Nov 11, 2024 10:41:52 GMT -6
I don't doubt you have. I just don't see even a reason for people to get riled up about what Saban does. The a$$ slap was weird but nothing too crazy. Like I said, this thread wasn't supposed to be about bashing Saban, I personally love the passion and intensity from him, and it's absolutely fkn hilarious to me how intense he was on the sideline, this was about how people judge behavior from afar inconsistently based on someone's status. I get what you’re saying but the problem is it’s not a status thing. Saban never went crazy like that guy did. He got fired up but not crazy. Now if Sbabn would have done the same thing I would bet it would be met with more criticism than the no name guy who did it last weekend |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 11, 2024 11:44:15 GMT -6
I think the issue is that the ULM coach targeted the player, sprinted towards the player, and then unleashed the antics.
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Post by CS on Nov 11, 2024 11:48:33 GMT -6
For reference
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 11, 2024 12:40:36 GMT -6
Like I said, this thread wasn't supposed to be about bashing Saban, I personally love the passion and intensity from him, and it's absolutely fkn hilarious to me how intense he was on the sideline, this was about how people judge behavior from afar inconsistently based on someone's status. I get what you’re saying but the problem is it’s not a status thing. Saban never went crazy like that guy did. He got fired up but not crazy. Now if Sbabn would have done the same thing I would bet it would be met with more criticism than the no name guy who did it last weekend I don't want this to turn into a p*****g match/circle of repeating ourselves, but I will just say this and try to leave it here because you have stayed with this discussion and treated me with respect and have acted in good faith in discussion terms: I agree in what you said that Saban didn't go crazy to the extent to that guy did But, as I have said several times in this thread, what's troublesome is that: The behaviors are shades, with the ULM guy being way more over the top, and Saban much less so, but instead of evaluating these shades on a gradient, from most extreme criticism for the most extreme behavior, down to less criticism (and not even so much criticism, just, hey maybe take a chill pill man, but keep on rockin in the free world lol, like I said, you like to see the intensity and passion), it's blasting the ULM guy, then a complete flip to praising and defending Saban's behavior, and what I was contending is that the reason for the complete flip with observers instead of using a gradient, is because of Saban's status. They are giving him a free pass, because of who he is. Someone's status should not make them immune to criticism. And I get you disagree Saban's behavior was ever over the top, just working within the confines and implications of my perspective, which is that while it was nothing compared to the ULM coach, it was still over the top (and still, keep in mind there's at least one or two clips in there where he does hunt players down and just goes ballistic on them, and I get those were not as bad as the ULM guy, but he still hunted guys down on the sideline and went ballistic on them). |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 11, 2024 12:46:00 GMT -6
If nothing else, this should become prime GIF material. Lol |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 11, 2024 13:07:34 GMT -6
He does chase the kid and push the kid twice!! And another player had to step in between.
I can only speak to how I interpret Saban's butt slap (but I bet most would agree), was more of a damnit, now let's go. Instead of I want to hurt you or punch you.
To turn this whole thread into weird nonsense, it wasn't a "spank", but a butt slap. As weird as butt slapping is in football, it usually (heck always) is more of a positive type thing. Either, you just did awesome or let's go. The tone of it is you are still my guy, I believe in you, do it the right way, and let's go. Chasing a player and shoving him twice in the chest, not so much.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 11, 2024 13:24:15 GMT -6
I’ve only seen the coach freak out.
What did the kid actually do to elicit the reaction?
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Post by CoachK on Nov 11, 2024 13:31:54 GMT -6
He said outside veer isn't the best play in football
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Post by Defcord on Nov 11, 2024 13:41:32 GMT -6
He said outside veer isn't the best play in football Well sometimes kids go too far. Hope he learns from this one. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 11, 2024 13:55:31 GMT -6
He said outside veer isn't the best play in football Maybe this guy was murdr and the player said "well actually you don't need a high-quality pen"? |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 11, 2024 14:03:14 GMT -6
That was the type of situation in a game that I got very quiet in. Kids were more worried if I was quiet because that meant I was REALLY pissed off and wasn't going to cut loose. The more angry I was, the quieter I got during games. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 11, 2024 14:05:58 GMT -6
So I says to coach I says "if you ask me full field 2 read is the best way to defend against RPO" and the next thing I know he goes crazy on me.
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Post by CS on Nov 11, 2024 19:02:50 GMT -6
So I says to coach I says "if you ask me full field 2 read is the best way to defend against RPO" and the next thing I know he goes crazy on me. Let’s get it started back up. Full field 2 read is garbage. I truly mean that |
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