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Post by blb on Feb 9, 2024 10:33:00 GMT -6
If you were to be (or are) a HC, would you practice both Offense and Defense every day, or have separate days devoted to one or the other?
Why?
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Post by powercounterandjet on Feb 9, 2024 10:38:23 GMT -6
Even when I've been at small schools with coaches and players on both sides the ball (30 players, 5 coaches) I've liked going everyday both. I feel like you lose more time by splitting O/D days. If you do both everyday you have less time per day but can cover everything still. Just cut periods and time, coach faster. Do only what's necessary. It keeps all the kids into it all day long as well, if you've got a few guys that only go one way primarily they have no option to "phase out" during the full day of scout team. Don't think I'll ever do just O/D day.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 9, 2024 10:47:56 GMT -6
We've done split practices since 2018 and at first I liked it. But, I'm interviewing for a HC job tomorrow and I've written up some base practice plans that have us practicing both sides of the ball every day. Passing was a big part of what we did last year and due to a returning QB, probably will be this year too. It got to the point where it became weird not having our QBs and WRs throw and catch every day. I imagine option teams with the ball handling would have similar issues.
Also, Wednesday was our defensive practice. If, and this happened a couple of times last season, I realized a check or call was a bad matchup with one of their formations or I realized I maybe needed to check something, that only gave me Thursday walkthrough to correct it. It would be better to have these realizations on Tuesday with a "work day" still available to fix them.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Feb 9, 2024 11:23:33 GMT -6
We practice both everyday. Split our staff into O/D groups and Coach our areas all day. Also we lose coaches on Monday and Thursday for JV-freshmen games. We really proactive full go on Tuesday and Wednesday in season. Our Monday is film/walkthrough and condition for varsity only kids. JV has games. Our Thursday is situations and specials with base O and D. With a bunch of JV only team time.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Feb 9, 2024 11:25:58 GMT -6
BOTH everyday... I have been a part of it twice as asst. Did not like it at all. kids have hard enough time remembering crap lol if you try to make them remember something while skipping a day you talk about it or rep it... good luck. It also helps break up practice into sections
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Post by realdawg on Feb 9, 2024 11:29:15 GMT -6
Both. An hour each.
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Post by coachtconkle on Feb 9, 2024 12:10:10 GMT -6
Both everyday. Calisthenics/Stretching for 10 min.s, Individual/Group 10 min's, Special Teams for ~50 min.s, Defense for ~50 min.s, and Offense for ~50 min.s, Post-Practice Conditioning. I like the daily reinforcement of what we do for Mon/Tue/Wed.
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Post by lws55 on Feb 9, 2024 12:22:05 GMT -6
Both every day. I agree with what the others have said above in that kids will forget. Plus my first 7 years of coaching I was an option guy and there is no way that I would go a day with out practicing our mesh and reads. I am at a school that has separate O and D. But we have a D priority day and an O priority day, so any players that do play both ways can get a focus.
During O priority our DC stays with the O and runs scout team, the rest of the D staff coaches up the JV. We flip it on D priority but our WR coach runs the scout O and the rest of the offense coaches up the JV.
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Post by fantom on Feb 9, 2024 12:27:03 GMT -6
We did separate days with a short period of the other side. It would probably be ideal to do both each day but in my experience since the HC typically handles offense defense can get short-changed.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 9, 2024 12:35:19 GMT -6
I am a big do both everyday guy. I think consistency is such a huge advantage over the long run.
This quote really hits home for me on this question.
"If I don't practice one day, I know it; two days, the critics know it; three days, the public knows it."
Jascha Heifetz
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Post by MICoach on Feb 9, 2024 12:49:25 GMT -6
Both every day
Monday ~1:15 offense and pre-practice, 0:45 defense Tuesday ~1:15 defense and pre-practice, 0:45 offense Wednesday 50/50 Thursday pre-game script and both teams get an unpadded team period
We split special teams to be "owned" by the O and D so it's on those coordinators to fit them in as needed
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 9, 2024 13:00:01 GMT -6
We have D and O emphasis days. We do position groups for both every day in the pre-season, but only do position groups for the emphasis day once games start (we will do team for both every day).
We might add in 10-15 min. of position groups on the other day if needed.
We might restructure a bit... so for some of you who said "both" do you run O and D position groups as well as team time for both every day?
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Post by els36 on Feb 9, 2024 14:00:26 GMT -6
We do both each day. I restructured our days so Monday and Tuesday have indy time for offense and defense both days. Wednesday is our "active recovery" day, so everything is slowed down and allowing our kids to bounce back, and Thursday we are both but are repping things very fast. Monday and Tuesday are longer days and Wednesday and Thursday are our shortest days.
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Post by 44special on Feb 9, 2024 14:00:32 GMT -6
both every day. everywhere i've been.
wouldn't having separate days mean you only get one day of practice on one side of the ball that week? and we all know it would be offense that got the emphasis.
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Post by els36 on Feb 9, 2024 14:01:26 GMT -6
We do both each day. I restructured our days so Monday and Tuesday have indy time for offense and defense both days. Wednesday is our "active recovery" day, so everything is slowed down and allowing our kids to bounce back, and Thursday we are both but are repping things very fast. Monday and Tuesday are longer days and Wednesday and Thursday are our shortest days. Also, on Wednesdays we have no indy time and are more 7v7, runfits/run game, team oriented.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 9, 2024 14:23:14 GMT -6
Tuesday: Offensive emphasis. Full offensive practice with defensive indy along with other small-group defensive work (pod stuff, 7v7, inside run) tossed in. Typically a 2/3-1/3 split.
Wednesday: Defensive emphasis. Full defensive practice with offensive indy and other small group offensive work plugged in.
I preferred this as it gave us a little more time to clean up things we were struggling at.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 9, 2024 14:33:45 GMT -6
We do both every day, but the time isn't equal each day, and we don't do Indy time for both every.
The total time for the week is equal, or at least very close.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 9, 2024 16:25:32 GMT -6
Have an O and a D day but have time for 20 plays of team at the end of that for the other side of the ball
I feel like our younger guys don’t get enough reps if we’re splitting it. Which I know it’s the same practice time but you’re trying to give every rep in those hours to the guys playing
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 9, 2024 17:18:25 GMT -6
If those that say 'both everyday'....
have you evaluated you offensive and defensive schemes and made them easier to consume?
I know, I know, I'm a 2 platoon guy that has my guys all day everyday..... but my recent thinking is are we just try to do too much???
Going back to what was part of my earlier days..... It not me outsmarting the guy on the other sideline; it's my kids being smarter than the kids they line up against.
When we were good, it wan't that I was smarter than the coordinator on the other side of the field; it was my kids were better at matching up versus what the other kids did.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 9, 2024 17:36:32 GMT -6
There's nothing like the joy you see on a players face when they realize it's defense day....
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Post by 44special on Feb 9, 2024 18:08:35 GMT -6
was never in a 2-platoon situation.
start the season with the basics. add as you go.
i think most can figure out when it's too much. jmo
i think it's usually young guys or those with an ego that add too much or don't trim when needed. again, jmo.
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Post by morris on Feb 9, 2024 18:30:40 GMT -6
I’ve always done O/D everyday with an even split. This year we are looking at having a split day then a day of O emphasis and a day of D emphasis. It breaks down to us having 30 min on Monday and Tuesday and a little over an hour of Wednesday. I’m having a hard time breaking stuff down to 30/30/60.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 9, 2024 22:23:21 GMT -6
This game is funny.....
40 years ago you practiced 3 hours to get the FB mesh down right for running the Veer 30 times a game.
Now a days you practice 3 hours to get the 30 passing game concepts down you'll run once a game.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 10, 2024 2:58:32 GMT -6
Both every day for a couple of reasons...
1. I think it breaks up the monotony.
2. I think doing something every day keeps your execution sharper and helps with retention of information.
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Post by CS on Feb 10, 2024 5:18:31 GMT -6
We've done split practices since 2018 and at first I liked it. But, I'm interviewing for a HC job tomorrow and I've written up some base practice plans that have us practicing both sides of the ball every day. Passing was a big part of what we did last year and due to a returning QB, probably will be this year too. It got to the point where it became weird not having our QBs and WRs throw and catch every day. I imagine option teams with the ball handling would have similar issues. Also, Wednesday was our defensive practice. If, and this happened a couple of times last season, I realized a check or call was a bad matchup with one of their formations or I realized I maybe needed to check something, that only gave me Thursday walkthrough to correct it. It would be better to have these realizations on Tuesday with a "work day" still available to fix them. This. I always draw my scout cards because I usually work out all the problems in that process, but I have had practices where we had to go in the office and tweak things because the kids just weren’t executing on a Tuesday or whatever.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 10, 2024 8:21:24 GMT -6
Both everyday. Calisthenics/Stretching for 10 min.s, Individual/Group 10 min's, Special Teams for ~50 min.s, Defense for ~50 min.s, and Offense for ~50 min.s, Post-Practice Conditioning. I like the daily reinforcement of what we do for Mon/Tue/Wed. 3 hour practice with 50 mins of specials?
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Post by hlb2 on Feb 10, 2024 8:32:44 GMT -6
We have D and O emphasis days. We do position groups for both every day in the pre-season, but only do position groups for the emphasis day once games start (we will do team for both every day). We might add in 10-15 min. of position groups on the other day if needed. We might restructure a bit... so for some of you who said "both" do you run O and D position groups as well as team time for both every day? This is our setup. We go O&D equal time on Monday and Thursdays. O emphasis on Wednesdays means the O gets: INDY Group (7v7, inside hull, whatever they want here) Team On the O emphasis days the defense will not do team, but will do INDY and a group session or an alignment/assignment period (11v11 but no contact), blitz on bags, or pursuit that day (we mix it up based on what we need). We also do tackling circuit for the INDY period that day. Wednesday is a defensive emphasis day and defense gets all the time and offense is limited. We like it and it's less beating on the kids. Only days with 2 team sessions are Monday and Thursday and Thursday is walk through.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 10, 2024 9:40:32 GMT -6
Tuesday: Offensive emphasis. Full offensive practice with defensive indy along with other small-group defensive work (pod stuff, 7v7, inside run) tossed in. Typically a 2/3-1/3 split. Wednesday: Defensive emphasis. Full defensive practice with offensive indy and other small group offensive work plugged in. I preferred this as it gave us a little more time to clean up things we were struggling at. Same. Worked most of my career at small schools w/small staffs coaching both sides of the ball with small numbers. Gave us a chance to devote more time to each phase. We did both O&D on Mondays (fundamentals sessions only). Monday pre-practice in film sessions (review/preview). Remainder of Monday practices did ST/Conditioning and 30 minute strength (CORE) after on-field work. Tuesday: Offense and Punt. Finished w/30 minute D indy (tackling, alignment/assignment). Wednesday: Defense and Punt Return. Finished w/30 minute O, 10 minute indy - 20 minute Team (Red zone and 2 minute).
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2024 10:17:44 GMT -6
I did some of both each day for reasons others have already posted although we would emphasize on or the other (except Thursday).
For example Tuesday was Offensive emphasis but we also did a defensive 7-on-7 (DL worked on Pass Rush including stunts, Draw-Screen)) and two Team periods, one against opponents' Gadgets (Reverse, HBP, etc.) and one against their four base run plays and PAP right and left.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 10, 2024 11:23:09 GMT -6
We did separate days with a short period of the other side. It would probably be ideal to do both each day but in my experience since the HC typically handles offense defense can get short-changed. we mostly did the same. One day was offense with offense indy and then like 20 min of def team then the nest day then opposite thursday was 50/50
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