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Post by blb on Jan 21, 2024 8:05:22 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Jan 21, 2024 8:59:25 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 9:25:40 GMT -6
Similar to the other thread- don’t boo the man. Boo the system in which the way some want things to happen would likely be detrimental to the desired end goal. Deeds- not words. These experts of the flexbone offense who are actively involved in DiV 1 FBS football are giving their opinions as to the efficacy of such an offensive WITH RESPECT TO OVERALL PROGRAM SUCCESS (not white board theory). So curious as to why Huey board members with their wealth of experience operating a flexbone system in DIV 1 FBS, particularly in the age of multiple transfers and NIL opportunities for the players feel their opinions are more supported than Coach Kens Not you in particular brophy- just the general attitude of several posters. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 21, 2024 9:39:03 GMT -6
speaking for the collective on that reply
i think we all saw Niumatalolo and instantly thought.....so before we went down that road, adding that critical peice of the story was necessary
Its great news for the ascension of a well-deserving coach that has earned every bit of it
Its also a great testament to the effectiveness of that offense for the service academies
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 9:45:58 GMT -6
speaking for the collective on that reply i think we all saw Niumatalolo and instantly thought.....so before we went down that road, adding that critical peice of the story was necessary Its great news for the ascension of a well-deserving coach that has earned every bit of it Its also a great testament to the effectiveness of that offense for the service academies Ok and.. why boo Ken for not running the flexbone if he chooses not to? Or did I misinterpret your GIf |
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Post by brophy on Jan 21, 2024 9:53:00 GMT -6
its an internet meme....not booing Coach Ken
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 9:58:11 GMT -6
its an internet meme....not booing Coach Ken Got it. So Boo in general- not boo this man. That at least makes a little more sense. I I just get confused by the fact that when Uncle Rico in the stands is criticizing a HS guy for his offensive play calling- that guy is an idiot and the HS coach knows whats up. But when a HS guy is criticizing a premier college coach for not running a certain offense- the COLLEGE GUY is the idiot- and the HS coach still knows whats up.  |
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Post by CS on Jan 21, 2024 11:01:02 GMT -6
its an internet meme....not booing Coach Ken Got it. So Boo in general- not boo this man. That at least makes a little more sense. I I just get confused by the fact that when Uncle Rico in the stands is criticizing a HS guy for his offensive play calling- that guy is an idiot and the HS coach knows whats up. But when a HS guy is criticizing a premier college coach for not running a certain offense- the COLLEGE GUY is the idiot- and the HS coach still knows whats up. May I point out he was premier when he ran the flex. It’s when he lost his way he got fired |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 11:12:32 GMT -6
Got it. So Boo in general- not boo this man. That at least makes a little more sense. I I just get confused by the fact that when Uncle Rico in the stands is criticizing a HS guy for his offensive play calling- that guy is an idiot and the HS coach knows whats up. But when a HS guy is criticizing a premier college coach for not running a certain offense- the COLLEGE GUY is the idiot- and the HS coach still knows whats up. May I point out he was premier when he ran the flex. It’s when he lost his way he got fired I don't doubt it. I was typing a bit too fast, and was trying to say that he was a premier flexbone coach. So presumably he felt he understood the flexbone not just schematically, but how it fit (or rather, decreasing efficacy) with his college football environment at that time. And it may very well be the case that Ken is an "idiot" in that he misjudged his assumptions on that matter. As I suggested in those discussions, maybe he looked at places like Tulane or Coastal Carolina and said "Heck, we are recruiting the same type of kid, maybe we can branch out and get a few studs and beat USC. " Or maybe it was something else that i suggested, that he found many recruits telling him "sorry coach, I don't want to run that offense". It also could be that he got bored with the subject matter so to speak. I DON'T KNOW. What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2024 12:56:22 GMT -6
What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. I don't know anything either, other than you will be here instantly to argue against them. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 13:00:02 GMT -6
What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. I don't know anything either, other than you will be here instantly to argue against them. And you my friend, will be here instantly to comment on that, or tell us how much you hate football |
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Post by CS on Jan 21, 2024 14:42:12 GMT -6
May I point out he was premier when he ran the flex. It’s when he lost his way he got fired I don't doubt it. I was typing a bit too fast, and was trying to say that he was a premier flexbone coach. So presumably he felt he understood the flexbone not just schematically, but how it fit (or rather, decreasing efficacy) with his college football environment at that time. And it may very well be the case that Ken is an "idiot" in that he misjudged his assumptions on that matter. As I suggested in those discussions, maybe he looked at places like Tulane or Coastal Carolina and said "Heck, we are recruiting the same type of kid, maybe we can branch out and get a few studs and beat USC. " Or maybe it was something else that i suggested, that he found many recruits telling him "sorry coach, I don't want to run that offense". It also could be that he got bored with the subject matter so to speak. I DON'T KNOW. What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. Not really the same as the “Uncle Rico’s” in the stands since we are speaking from experience and some insider knowledge |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 15:08:11 GMT -6
I don't doubt it. I was typing a bit too fast, and was trying to say that he was a premier flexbone coach. So presumably he felt he understood the flexbone not just schematically, but how it fit (or rather, decreasing efficacy) with his college football environment at that time. And it may very well be the case that Ken is an "idiot" in that he misjudged his assumptions on that matter. As I suggested in those discussions, maybe he looked at places like Tulane or Coastal Carolina and said "Heck, we are recruiting the same type of kid, maybe we can branch out and get a few studs and beat USC. " Or maybe it was something else that i suggested, that he found many recruits telling him "sorry coach, I don't want to run that offense". It also could be that he got bored with the subject matter so to speak. I DON'T KNOW. What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. Not really the same as the “Uncle Rico’s” in the stands since we are speaking from experience and some insider knowledge Eh, those Uncle Rico's feel they are speaking from experience and have insider knowledge as well. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2024 15:09:03 GMT -6
I don't know anything either, other than you will be here instantly to argue against them. And you my friend, will be here instantly to comment on that, or tell us how much you hate football I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2024 15:36:07 GMT -6
And you my friend, will be here instantly to comment on that, or tell us how much you hate football I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become. Fair point. Likely for the same reason that others have to post the same "option as panacea" statements over and over and over and over and over, or complain about teams that don't run them over and over and over and over. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2024 15:39:36 GMT -6
I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become. Fair point. Likely for the same reason that others have to post the same "option as panacea" statements over and over and over and over and over, or complain about teams that don't run them over and over and over and over. You could just ignore them you know. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 21, 2024 17:50:53 GMT -6
lotta mileage out of this innocuous news update HUEY BOARD COACHING STAFF meetings would be stuff of legends  COACH HUEY: "Aight guys, lets go over opponents two minute game...." Coach X: "I remember one time, back in '88....or maybe it was '78, anyhoos.....it was snowing in the semi-finals and we were trailing 4 with 6 minutes to go. I said to my Oline coach Johnny Pepper......or was it Jimmy Chili, cant remember....but I wanted to get one of those hot dogs from the concession stands and bet him we could probably get one in under 2 minutes and then..." Coach Y: "look, its clear their go-to is #87. They like him on a out & up or a sideline bench from a semi-roll...." Coach B: "thats what they want you to think. It would be stupid to forget about the run game here. They should have a midline triple option package just for these situations. I've seen it before. Anyone who doesn't believe me, sucks [censored] by choice" Coach 99: "you would say that...you're always sucking [censored]" Coach PDQ: [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] (throws chair) |
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Post by coachdubyah on Jan 21, 2024 19:58:11 GMT -6
brophyI’m glad you’re back! Gives this place a vibe that’s been missing here.
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Post by coachsmith79 on Jan 21, 2024 20:01:33 GMT -6
lotta mileage out of this innocuous news update HUEY BOARD COACHING STAFF meetings would be stuff of legends COACH HUEY: "Aight guys, lets go over opponents two minute game...." Coach X: "I remember one time, back in '88....or maybe it was '78, anyhoos.....it was snowing in the semi-finals and we were trailing 4 with 6 minutes to go. I said to my Oline coach Johnny Pepper......or was it Jimmy Chili, cant remember....but I wanted to get one of those hot dogs from the concession stands and bet him we could probably get one in under 2 minutes and then..." Coach Y: "look, its clear their go-to is #87. They like him on a out & up or a sideline bench from a semi-roll...." Coach B: "thats what they want you to think. It would be stupid to forget about the run game here. They should have a midline triple option package just for these situations. I've seen it before. Anyone who doesn't believe me, sucks [censored] by choice" Coach 99: "you would say that...you're always sucking [censored]" Coach PDQ: [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] (throws chair) Does your return here mean we're also getting more on the old website too,or is that a no go? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2024 4:42:52 GMT -6
lotta mileage out of this innocuous news update HUEY BOARD COACHING STAFF meetings would be stuff of legends COACH HUEY: "Aight guys, lets go over opponents two minute game...." Coach X: "I remember one time, back in '88....or maybe it was '78, anyhoos.....it was snowing in the semi-finals and we were trailing 4 with 6 minutes to go. I said to my Oline coach Johnny Pepper......or was it Jimmy Chili, cant remember....but I wanted to get one of those hot dogs from the concession stands and bet him we could probably get one in under 2 minutes and then..." Coach Y: "look, its clear their go-to is #87. They like him on a out & up or a sideline bench from a semi-roll...." Coach B: "thats what they want you to think. It would be stupid to forget about the run game here. They should have a midline triple option package just for these situations. I've seen it before. Anyone who doesn't believe me, sucks [censored] by choice" Coach 99: "you would say that...you're always sucking [censored]" Coach PDQ: [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] (throws chair) I've been in that staff meeting before. You forgot Coach Z- "We suck. We're soft as Charmin, we can't stop anyone. We're going to be down 40 in the 1st quarter anyway. Why are we wasting time talking about this?" |
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Post by CS on Jan 22, 2024 4:59:59 GMT -6
I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become. Fair point. Likely for the same reason that others have to post the same "option as panacea" statements over and over and over and over and over, or complain about teams that don't run them over and over and over and over. Uh. Nobody was arguing that in this thread. You actually brought it up |
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Post by irishdog on Jan 22, 2024 9:50:35 GMT -6
So when can my 50 years of experience qualify to sit on the Executive Board as an "Executive" member? Coach Ken be out his mind to take SJSU. He gonna have his hands full as it is, and recruiting will just be ONE of MANY pieces of putting that massive jigsaw puzzle together. Frankly...he be out his mind even considering taking that job.
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Post by coachscdub on Jan 22, 2024 18:34:50 GMT -6
Well with seeing their OC hire today it looks like they will be going to some variant of the Run and Shoot.
Looks like word was true that Coach N was going to hire someone to throw the ball around a good amount.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 23, 2024 5:21:13 GMT -6
I don't know enough about him as a coach other than when he was at Navy and ran th triple option. Is Coach Niumatalolo the kind of coach who recruits and drives culture? I don't see why people are "upset" about him not running the triple.
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Post by CS on Jan 23, 2024 7:34:54 GMT -6
I don't know enough about him as a coach other than when he was at Navy and ran th triple option. Is Coach Niumatalolo the kind of coach who recruits and drives culture? I don't see why people are "upset" about him not running the triple. I don’t see where anyone on here said they were upset about him running the option. This is coming from a poster with an axe to grind and a problem letting things go |
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Post by brophy on Jan 23, 2024 10:24:05 GMT -6
Ah, I see....
i think I can help with the whole "Kens Sucks Because He's an Option Guy" thing
Y'see....I had read the headline and was interested in the DETAILS of such a renowned flexbone practitioner moving to a larger market FBS DI program. I assumed it might be a possibility to assume he would bring the flexbone with him, since he has a history being so proficient and steeped in it. I imagined my curiosity would be very similar to the mindset of most coaches here. To my surprise, there was some excellent journalism taking place in that article because it addressed that very thing, quite early in the article. I found that to be a very crucial DETAIL most would also want to know. That being the case, I included the salient quote as my reply, which would strike coaching die-hards as a downer, bummer, or 'buzz kill' as the kids these days say. Instead of writing a lengthy reply stating my let down, I opted to provide a harmless tongue-in-cheek quip using an antiquated "meme", though it still checks out, I'm assured, that conveys an overall ridiculous level of group displeasure or overstated disappointment. This came in the way of a animated image that read, "Boo, this man", which one could rightly assume was directly directly at Kenneth Va'a Niumatalolo, the new head coach at San Jose State. There was no personal malice intended for coach. The meme in question draws its significance from a feature film that was released in the 1990s, offered here for review and context For the record, I don't believe I know better than Ken Niumatalolo. I have no opinion on the efficacy or superiority of option-based offenses. I am most emphatically just an ahole with an Internet connection.
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Post by blb on Jan 23, 2024 12:56:30 GMT -6
I'm all for good coaches getting second chances.
Pete Carroll got fired as HC by both the Jets AND Patriots in the '90s, for ex.
And he was reportedly not first or even second choice for USC job when he got that one.
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Post by coachdubyah on Jan 23, 2024 13:01:48 GMT -6
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 23, 2024 13:09:12 GMT -6
Well with seeing their OC hire today it looks like they will be going to some variant of the Run and Shoot. Looks like word was true that Coach N was going to hire someone to throw the ball around a good amount. I suppose I am selfishly hoping they revive the old (late 80s) Hawaii Run and Shoot. I am pretty sure he was with Bob Wagner and Paul Johnson at Hawaii when they ran this...
I had a lot of old VHS film on this.
It was actually what I ran offensively (tried to, anyway) when I started coaching. I played in a run and shoot program, and we got beat by a lot of option teams. I thought it would be a great transition for me.
I thought the idea to marry the two was great... I just didn't have the skill, background, knowledge, patience, etc. to run it.
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Post by blb on Jan 23, 2024 13:17:44 GMT -6
As senatorblutarsky said Niumatalolo played QB at Hawaii (Paul Johnson was OC) in late '80s, got his coaching start as GA there. So he may be going back to his roots somewhat. Going from Flexbone to Run 'n Shoot is kind of a natural progression as it were. Double Slot formation with motions. Just throwing the ball down field instead of backwards or sideways. |
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