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Post by blackknighthfc on Oct 24, 2023 10:28:46 GMT -6
I intend to absorb the Jr. High program into the fold of the Varsity program. Jr. High is only 7th & 8th grade. I want to have all the Jr High coaches be part of the varsity program.
We are a very small school, Lose some kids between Jr high and Jv so I’m going to have them coached by the varsity guys at least part of the time so we can build relationships with the kids and assure they are being taught the same terminology and techniques we use above them.
Has anyone done anything similar to this?
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 24, 2023 10:48:52 GMT -6
Not with the junior high, but I was at a place that had all 3 high school teams working as one program.
We had an O staff and a D staff. While we were practicing varsity O, the D staff would take the frosh/JV players and go coach D, and then we would switch half way through.
Not necessarily the ideal set up, but I liked getting to coach my guys for all their years and already have those relationships once they got up to varsity as you mentioned. Plus, you know things are being coached the way your staff needs them to be.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Oct 24, 2023 10:52:54 GMT -6
Practicing together? I have concerns about managing and teaching during this practice. Are you going to slow down the progression until the 7th grader got it?
Now if your talking about some of the separate split staff stuff people do where offense staff is with the JH while defense staff is with Varsity then I could see that possibly working assuming numbers are manageable.
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Post by blackknighthfc on Oct 24, 2023 11:03:53 GMT -6
By together, I mean on the same field/complex. I intend to do Offense and Defense split. Varsity O = JR High Defense and vice versa
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Post by CS on Oct 24, 2023 11:49:27 GMT -6
I intend to absorb the Jr. High program into the fold of the Varsity program. Jr. High is only 7th & 8th grade. I want to have all the Jr High coaches be part of the varsity program. We are a very small school, Lose some kids between Jr high and Jv so I’m going to have them coached by the varsity guys at least part of the time so we can build relationships with the kids and assure they are being taught the same terminology and techniques we use above them. Has anyone done anything similar to this? Had that set up a few stops ago. The best way to do it in IMO. I had my own defensive staff that only worried about defense. We had a jr high DC so I didn't scheme them or break down that film but I was coaching linebackers from 8th through 12th grade and it was great. I've suggested it everywhere but a lot of older HCs don't want to coach jr high kids anymore |
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Post by blb on Oct 24, 2023 12:16:32 GMT -6
I intend to absorb the Jr. High program into the fold of the Varsity program. Jr. High is only 7th & 8th grade. I want to have all the Jr High coaches be part of the varsity program. We are a very small school, Lose some kids between Jr high and Jv so I’m going to have them coached by the varsity guys at least part of the time so we can build relationships with the kids and assure they are being taught the same terminology and techniques we use above them. Has anyone done anything similar to this? Had that set up a few stops ago. The best way to do it in IMO. I had my own defensive staff that only worried about defense. We had a jr high DC so I didn't scheme them or break down that film but I was coaching linebackers from 8th through 12th grade and it was great. I've suggested it everywhere but a lot of older HCs don't want to coach jr high kids anymore I wouldn't want to spend time coaching kids that couldn't help me win on Friday night or may not be playing by the time they got to 11th-12th grade either. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 24, 2023 12:33:42 GMT -6
Had that set up a few stops ago. The best way to do it in IMO. I had my own defensive staff that only worried about defense. We had a jr high DC so I didn't scheme them or break down that film but I was coaching linebackers from 8th through 12th grade and it was great. I've suggested it everywhere but a lot of older HCs don't want to coach jr high kids anymore I wouldn't want to spend time coaching kids that couldn't help me win on Friday night or may not be playing by the time they got to 11th-12th grade either. There are no guarantees your 10/11 grade kids will be there next season. Or will contribute on Friday night. We combine 100 kids 9-12 into one practice venue and split O and D staffs. probably toughest on freshmen group during team setting. They get 3 coaches during those periods. The varsity takes 8 coaches. 2 lead scouts and the rest coach their position groups. HC walks around telling kids to get reps and stay back from LOS. |
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Post by blb on Oct 24, 2023 12:44:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't want to spend time coaching kids that couldn't help me win on Friday night or may not be playing by the time they got to 11th-12th grade either. There are no guarantees your 10/11 grade kids will be there next season. Or will contribute on Friday night. We combine 100 kids 9-12 into one practice venue and split O and D staffs. probably toughest on freshmen group during team setting. They get 3 coaches during those periods. The varsity takes 8 coaches. 2 lead scouts and the rest coach their position groups. HC walks around telling kids to get reps and stay back from LOS. I never coached at a school that had 11 coaches, even at one where we had over 100 kids out 9-12. The other thing was I wanted our Sub-Varsity coaches to coach both sides of the ball to aid them in their development and how if we had a Varsity opening they would be ready to move up. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 24, 2023 13:03:49 GMT -6
There are no guarantees your 10/11 grade kids will be there next season. Or will contribute on Friday night. We combine 100 kids 9-12 into one practice venue and split O and D staffs. probably toughest on freshmen group during team setting. They get 3 coaches during those periods. The varsity takes 8 coaches. 2 lead scouts and the rest coach their position groups. HC walks around telling kids to get reps and stay back from LOS. I never coached at a school that had 11 coaches, even at one where we had over 100 kids out 9-12. The other thing was I wanted our Sub-Varsity coaches to coach both sides of the ball to aid them in their development and how if we had a Varsity opening they would be ready to move up. It has taken a decade to get where we are. All of our coaches are considered varsity coaches. 2 coaches are volunteers that get a booster club stipend. Freshmen HC coaches RB’s 9-12 Freshmen DC coaches DB’s 9-12. This was an emergency hire we would prefer to have a DL coach here. Don’t get me wrong this coach is excellent, one of the best young coaches in our area. Freshmen volunteer QB coach 9-12. This guy is incredibly valuable. Alumni who set school records and got us our 3 play off game appearances. LB coach OLB coach DL coach DB coach. they have all called the D for a varsity game and the DL guy does JV games OL coach FB/Y coach WR coach- calls the O on JV. HC- O coordinator. varsity volunteer- assists with all backs T/F/Y. When freshmen coach is gone. with less than 11 we don’t get the HS volunteer |
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Post by blb on Oct 24, 2023 13:23:52 GMT -6
I never coached at a school that had 11 coaches, even at one where we had over 100 kids out 9-12. The other thing was I wanted our Sub-Varsity coaches to coach both sides of the ball to aid them in their development and how if we had a Varsity opening they would be ready to move up. It has taken a decade to get where we are. All of our coaches are considered varsity coaches. 2 coaches are volunteers that get a booster club stipend. Freshmen HC coaches RB’s 9-12 Freshmen DC coaches DB’s 9-12. This was an emergency hire we would prefer to have a DL coach here. Don’t get me wrong this coach is excellent, one of the best young coaches in our area. Freshmen volunteer QB coach 9-12. This guy is incredibly valuable. Alumni who set school records and got us our 3 play off game appearances. LB coach OLB coach DL coach DB coach. they have all called the D for a varsity game and the DL guy does JV games OL coach FB/Y coach WR coach- calls the O on JV. HC- O coordinator. varsity volunteer- assists with all backs T/F/Y. When freshmen coach is gone. with less than 11 we don’t get the HS volunteer that is great but I suspect there are very few on here in a similar situation. CS maybe? tog might have been. |
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Post by tog on Oct 24, 2023 14:47:58 GMT -6
It has taken a decade to get where we are. All of our coaches are considered varsity coaches. 2 coaches are volunteers that get a booster club stipend. Freshmen HC coaches RB’s 9-12 Freshmen DC coaches DB’s 9-12. This was an emergency hire we would prefer to have a DL coach here. Don’t get me wrong this coach is excellent, one of the best young coaches in our area. Freshmen volunteer QB coach 9-12. This guy is incredibly valuable. Alumni who set school records and got us our 3 play off game appearances. LB coach OLB coach DL coach DB coach. they have all called the D for a varsity game and the DL guy does JV games OL coach FB/Y coach WR coach- calls the O on JV. HC- O coordinator. varsity volunteer- assists with all backs T/F/Y. When freshmen coach is gone. with less than 11 we don’t get the HS volunteer that is great but I suspect there are very few on here in a similar situation. CS maybe? tog might have been. my last two spots had 16 coaches for football most of those had other sports also |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 24, 2023 18:14:55 GMT -6
It has taken a decade to get where we are. All of our coaches are considered varsity coaches. 2 coaches are volunteers that get a booster club stipend. Freshmen HC coaches RB’s 9-12 Freshmen DC coaches DB’s 9-12. This was an emergency hire we would prefer to have a DL coach here. Don’t get me wrong this coach is excellent, one of the best young coaches in our area. Freshmen volunteer QB coach 9-12. This guy is incredibly valuable. Alumni who set school records and got us our 3 play off game appearances. LB coach OLB coach DL coach DB coach. they have all called the D for a varsity game and the DL guy does JV games OL coach FB/Y coach WR coach- calls the O on JV. HC- O coordinator. varsity volunteer- assists with all backs T/F/Y. When freshmen coach is gone. with less than 11 we don’t get the HS volunteer that is great but I suspect there are very few on here in a similar situation. CS maybe? tog might have been. We are a school of 1200 students. With exactly 100 kids 9-12. If it wasn’t for the booster club we wouldn’t have volunteers |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 24, 2023 18:15:19 GMT -6
It has taken a decade to get where we are. All of our coaches are considered varsity coaches. 2 coaches are volunteers that get a booster club stipend. Freshmen HC coaches RB’s 9-12 Freshmen DC coaches DB’s 9-12. This was an emergency hire we would prefer to have a DL coach here. Don’t get me wrong this coach is excellent, one of the best young coaches in our area. Freshmen volunteer QB coach 9-12. This guy is incredibly valuable. Alumni who set school records and got us our 3 play off game appearances. LB coach OLB coach DL coach DB coach. they have all called the D for a varsity game and the DL guy does JV games OL coach FB/Y coach WR coach- calls the O on JV. HC- O coordinator. varsity volunteer- assists with all backs T/F/Y. When freshmen coach is gone. with less than 11 we don’t get the HS volunteer that is great but I suspect there are very few on here in a similar situation. CS maybe? tog might have been. We are a school of 1200 students. With exactly 100 kids 9-12. If it wasn’t for the booster club we wouldn’t have volunteers |
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Post by CS on Oct 24, 2023 18:36:58 GMT -6
It has taken a decade to get where we are. All of our coaches are considered varsity coaches. 2 coaches are volunteers that get a booster club stipend. Freshmen HC coaches RB’s 9-12 Freshmen DC coaches DB’s 9-12. This was an emergency hire we would prefer to have a DL coach here. Don’t get me wrong this coach is excellent, one of the best young coaches in our area. Freshmen volunteer QB coach 9-12. This guy is incredibly valuable. Alumni who set school records and got us our 3 play off game appearances. LB coach OLB coach DL coach DB coach. they have all called the D for a varsity game and the DL guy does JV games OL coach FB/Y coach WR coach- calls the O on JV. HC- O coordinator. varsity volunteer- assists with all backs T/F/Y. When freshmen coach is gone. with less than 11 we don’t get the HS volunteer that is great but I suspect there are very few on here in a similar situation. CS maybe? tog might have been. The place I was referring to had 10 coaches 8-12. 5 d 5 o. It was nice |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Oct 25, 2023 2:52:06 GMT -6
I intend to absorb the Jr. High program into the fold of the Varsity program. Jr. High is only 7th & 8th grade. I want to have all the Jr High coaches be part of the varsity program. We are a very small school, Lose some kids between Jr high and Jv so I’m going to have them coached by the varsity guys at least part of the time so we can build relationships with the kids and assure they are being taught the same terminology and techniques we use above them. Has anyone done anything similar to this? Somewhat. We tried doing what you said- we did it for pre-season but didn't go beyond that. Part of our problem is separate campuses for HS and JH. Also, at the time, there wasn't much buy in from the JH coaches (there might be now). Now once the JH season is over, we invite those kids to come up and practice if they want to continue with football. We had 9 come up for the last two weeks (and most of them were better than our regular scout team guys). We let them dress for the varsity games and one kid even got in for a play (which is legal here and some other places). The absolute best situation I ever had was in Nebraska. We were a small school (7-12 building) and in our part of the state at least it was common practice to make the last period (plus homeroom which was an extra 25 minutes) JH PE. This is where we did all of our sports practices. This was great for several reasons: varsity staff got to coach the JH kids, it counted as a class for teaching, we got paid a little extra (so, on top of just teaching the class) and, probably the biggest reason I liked it: all out of town kids could play and didn't have to worry about rides home because they could get on the school bus at the end of the day. We had a pretty big geographic area and I know we would've lost kids if practice was after school. I am trying to get something like that set up here as we have kids in our district from up to 45 miles away. Very few of them participate in after school activities at the JH level. |
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Post by veerman on Oct 25, 2023 8:00:41 GMT -6
Sure, but it is VERY Exhausting. We did it here my first two years at my current school. The school is 7-12, we would practice the HS starting at 1:45 and practice the MS at 4:30. It was the same 3 coaches doing both. Our school is small and has only been playing football for about 8 years. The last two year we had volunteers to coach MS, and this year was a disaster, so not sure what we are going to do next year.
At another school where we were doing both (was a 6-12 school). I liked it how we did it there. During summer we brought them in as two different groups worked on basic skills and base plays from May till school started. We had 5 coaches on staff. When school started we got the MS for an Hr during the middle of the day and worked on Indy of one side of the ball, and if time, we did team. The HS would come the last Hr of the day and we would lift and do board work till school let out. After school everyone (6-12) would go out and we would start off with the opposite side of the ball that the MS worked on during the day and do Indy. We were a SBV team so we mirrored a lot of drills on offense. When HS would go Team the MS would go team on other side of field with 2 coaches, and HS would take 3. We let the MS go home when we swapped to the other side of the ball (the side MS worked during the day) and it was just HS for remainder of practice. Again not ideal, but it did work having to do both. This method was most efficient cause you still got reps, and you were not out there coaching two teams for 6 hrs.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 25, 2023 9:29:59 GMT -6
It's a great setup BUT I have to give you some slight caution. Since Varsity is what keeps you employed, it will be VERY easy to focus your time and energy on them and unintentionally slight the lower level groups. After reflecting, I've realized that this has happened to us before but I didn't even recognize it while it was happening.
The positive thing about having lower level staffs to themselves is that that's their world and they will give it the full energy it needs. The negative thing about it is that you don't know what might be taught over there and those guys get to you and you wonder what the heck was going on down there in previous years.
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Post by veerman on Oct 25, 2023 12:15:34 GMT -6
It's a great setup BUT I have to give you some slight caution. Since Varsity is what keeps you employed, it will be VERY easy to focus your time and energy on them and unintentionally slight the lower level groups. After reflecting, I've realized that this has happened to us before but I didn't even recognize it while it was happening. The positive thing about having lower level staffs to themselves is that that's their world and they will give it the full energy it needs. The negative thing about it is that you don't know what might be taught over there and those guys get to you and you wonder what the heck was going on down there in previous years. VERY TRUE...it's kinda that double edge sword..Is not as much attention with you better than someone who may teach something off the wall? They may put in much more time, but is 90 min per day with you better than 150 min per day with someone else? Those questions are answered on a case by case IMO. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 26, 2023 4:55:26 GMT -6
It's a great setup BUT I have to give you some slight caution. Since Varsity is what keeps you employed, it will be VERY easy to focus your time and energy on them and unintentionally slight the lower level groups. After reflecting, I've realized that this has happened to us before but I didn't even recognize it while it was happening. The positive thing about having lower level staffs to themselves is that that's their world and they will give it the full energy it needs. The negative thing about it is that you don't know what might be taught over there and those guys get to you and you wonder what the heck was going on down there in previous years. It's also a great way for coaches to grow (lower level staffs). Most stops I've been at the varsity guys left us alone. That prepared me to be a pretty decent varsity guy myself. There's something to be said for having separate staffs if you're able to, but including them in the program on Friday nights. Where I'm at now, before I moved up, I was either in the press box helping our DC or on the field with a headset on doing substitutions and running sideline meetings with our kids between series. Great learning experiences. |
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Post by coachorm on Oct 26, 2023 9:20:44 GMT -6
We started incorporating the Junior High 3 years ago. Basically High School practice runs 3-5pm. Junior High runs 4:30-6:30pm, all at the same practice field. Junior High ride the bus to the high school or parents drive them.
Junior High only practices usually 2-3 days a week because games are either Tuesday or Thursday. So High School coaches can coach High School and Junior High coaches can help until 4:30. Then when High School practices ends, High School Coaches can go help Junior High.
I feel like it has paid off a lot especially in participation. 2021 and 2022 we went 0-10 both seasons but participation still increased 2021(28 kids), 2022(34 kids), 2023(45 kids). I expect 2024 to be in the 40s again. 45 is about the max number we have ever seen at our school due to school size (375 kids total 9-12). This season so far 4-5 with one regular season game left and at least one playoff game.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 26, 2023 9:54:33 GMT -6
It's a great setup BUT I have to give you some slight caution. Since Varsity is what keeps you employed, it will be VERY easy to focus your time and energy on them and unintentionally slight the lower level groups. After reflecting, I've realized that this has happened to us before but I didn't even recognize it while it was happening. The positive thing about having lower level staffs to themselves is that that's their world and they will give it the full energy it needs. The negative thing about it is that you don't know what might be taught over there and those guys get to you and you wonder what the heck was going on down there in previous years. It's also a great way for coaches to grow (lower level staffs). Most stops I've been at the varsity guys left us alone. That prepared me to be a pretty decent varsity guy myself. There's something to be said for having separate staffs if you're able to, but including them in the program on Friday nights. Where I'm at now, before I moved up, I was either in the press box helping our DC or on the field with a headset on doing substitutions and running sideline meetings with our kids between series. Great learning experiences. Lower level coaches working the sideline and helping with personnel, game engagement, etc. is great IF the players know those coaches and have a relationship with them. Makes sense if that coach was their coach back when the kids were freshmen, etc. But if it's a new guy they don't know and only see on Fridays, it can actually make things very difficult. Lower level coaches working in the booth, communicating with coaches about down-distance-hash-yardline, how the secondary away from the sideline is aligning, etc. works great!!! |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 26, 2023 10:28:11 GMT -6
It's also a great way for coaches to grow (lower level staffs). Most stops I've been at the varsity guys left us alone. That prepared me to be a pretty decent varsity guy myself. There's something to be said for having separate staffs if you're able to, but including them in the program on Friday nights. Where I'm at now, before I moved up, I was either in the press box helping our DC or on the field with a headset on doing substitutions and running sideline meetings with our kids between series. Great learning experiences. Lower level coaches working the sideline and helping with personnel, game engagement, etc. is great IF the players know those coaches and have a relationship with them. Makes sense if that coach was their coach back when the kids were freshmen, etc. But if it's a new guy they don't know and only see on Fridays, it can actually make things very difficult. Lower level coaches working in the booth, communicating with coaches about down-distance-hash-yardline, how the secondary away from the sideline is aligning, etc. works great!!! Good point on pre-existing relationships being necessary if they're going to be interacting on the sideline. |
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Post by immiru on Nov 6, 2023 13:22:22 GMT -6
I saw in the OPs post about varsity squad O vs JH Defense. If that is the case check with your governing body about restrictions. I know here (TN) there are restrictions to prevent a mixing of JH and HS squads for practice. Same time same complex yes, but one against the other is not allowed.
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