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Post by coachd5085 on May 30, 2023 19:24:31 GMT -6
I do think this is a jerk rule. I do understand the logic. He wants kids that stick with the program, period. The program that both He and the Defensive Coordinator just left? I get it that it is "just a ring". But I ask then, what does the ring signify? The school was no doubt awarded a championship trophy from the state association after the game correct? So what does the ring signify? I would say it signifies one was part of the team right? Saying "this has always been the rule" is a terrible rationale for anything. Saying "people knew about it in advance" is also a terrible rationale for a bad rule. Would the program have been better off if the kid (who apparently was a dude) had come out from spring, taken all the reps as the first string QB and then said "eh, nah coach- I am just gonna stick with baseball"? I would argue that he did the program a favor. Not that it matters though, because the HC just bolted anyway. To be clear, these are things I would ask that coach...not directing the critic at you. |
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Post by fantom on May 30, 2023 19:48:42 GMT -6
I do think this is a jerk rule. I do understand the logic. He wants kids that stick with the program, period. The kids and parents knew the rules to begin with. They kid is just not getting a ring. I am assuming that the ring is free for the kid. I am assuming that the school or most likely booster's bought the ring. You certainly couldn't deny him the ring he paid for. Again, the kid is just not getting a ring. He is still a state champion and could probably still contact the ring company (or a ring company) and buy a ring just like it or get one that says whatever he wants on it. I also think that they have won 4 state championships in a row. The thing that I question is that I can't believe that it's never happened before. No underclassman ever decided not to keep playing? Either some did quit and didn't get their ring but nobody cared because they weren't PLAYERS or they did get their rings. I think that the coach did this because the guys who quit are important players. IMO the coach is a vindictive prick. The rings are a reward for winning the 2022 state championship. Those players were an integral part of winning that championship. They should have been given rings. |
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Post by dubber on May 30, 2023 19:53:34 GMT -6
This has been my rule every year I’ve coached and so far ZERO issues.
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Post by larrymoe on May 30, 2023 19:56:37 GMT -6
This has been my rule every year I’ve coached and so far ZERO issues. Why is it your rule? |
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Post by silkyice on May 30, 2023 20:00:17 GMT -6
I do think this is a jerk rule. I do understand the logic. He wants kids that stick with the program, period. The program that both He and the Defensive Coordinator just left? I get it that it is "just a ring". But I ask then, what does the ring signify? The school was no doubt awarded a championship trophy from the state association after the game correct? So what does the ring signify? I would say it signifies one was part of the team right? Saying "this has always been the rule" is a terrible rationale for anything. Saying "people knew about it in advance" is also a terrible rationale for a bad rule. Would the program have been better off if the kid (who apparently was a dude) had come out from spring, taken all the reps as the first string QB and then said "eh, nah coach- I am just gonna stick with baseball"? I would argue that he did the program a favor. Not that it matters though, because the HC just bolted anyway. To be clear, these are things I would ask that coach...not directing the critic at you. I get this is not directed at me. My understanding the logic does not mean I agree with it. Like I said, it is a jerk rule. But sometimes you have to be a jerk to win championships. Doesn’t justify it. Doesn’t mean I condone it. Doesn't mean you can’t win by being a nice guy. It just is what it is. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 30, 2023 20:00:24 GMT -6
I do think this is a jerk rule. I do understand the logic. He wants kids that stick with the program, period. The kids and parents knew the rules to begin with. They kid is just not getting a ring. I am assuming that the ring is free for the kid. I am assuming that the school or most likely booster's bought the ring. You certainly couldn't deny him the ring he paid for. Again, the kid is just not getting a ring. He is still a state champion and could probably still contact the ring company (or a ring company) and buy a ring just like it or get one that says whatever he wants on it. I also think that they have won 4 state championships in a row. The thing that I question is that I can't believe that it's never happened before. No underclassman ever decided not to keep playing? Either some did quit and didn't get their ring but nobody cared because they weren't PLAYERS or they did get their rings. I think that the coach did this because the guys who quit are important players. IMO the coach is a vindictive prick. The rings are a reward for winning the 2022 state championship. Those players were an integral part of winning that championship. They should have been given rings. I would bet it may have happened before, but the players who didn't participate in the following spring were not integral parts of the preceding championship and therefore nothing came from it, or the kids/parents didn't really have a voice. In this case, since it was the MVP of the championship game, the situation doesn't just disappear. I will say this though--the cynic in me wonders what this two parents/kids would have said if a few non players hung up their cleats after the championship and then said "hey, I was on the team, I want my ring". |
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Post by 19delta on May 30, 2023 20:03:38 GMT -6
How much do state championship rings cost? What would stop parents from buying their kid a state championship ring on their own? I'm sure Jostens or whatever would be more than willing to take their money.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 30, 2023 20:10:06 GMT -6
How much do state championship rings cost? What would stop parents from buying their kid a state championship ring on their own? I'm sure Jostens or whatever would be more than willing to take their money. Not super expensive I am sure- but I don't think the point is that the kid won't have a ring on his mantle. The point is spring is a part of the 2023 season- rings were for the 2022 season. Someone asked earlier "is the coach who announced today that he is leaving the program giving back his ring". Hypothetical here--what if the ring ceremony was in June instead of prior to his announced departure. |
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Post by fantom on May 30, 2023 20:12:44 GMT -6
How much do state championship rings cost? What would stop parents from buying their kid a state championship ring on their own? I'm sure Jostens or whatever would be more than willing to take their money. Depending on whet they're made of they can be pretty expensive. Here's something that I wonder about: There's a pretty long lag time between when you start the process and when they get delivered. You have to get the rings sized and ordered. I get the idea that the kids quit fairly recently which means that the rings may have been made and delivered but the coach won't hand them out. |
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Post by wingtol on May 31, 2023 5:08:23 GMT -6
Dumb rule. Like someone else said we can be our own worst enemies sometimes. If I read the article correctly these guys played on the state title team last year, finished the year, were injured and came back too (2022). But they are not playing next season (2023) so the coach said no ring cause you "quit".....thats the dumbest chit ever!!
Did I miss something? Like they got rings just not at the team ceremony? Or they were mailed to them or something?
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Post by olcoach53 on May 31, 2023 7:04:28 GMT -6
Wait a minute...so the Coach who won't give a ring to players because they aren't playing football the next season because they are focusing on their sport they will be playing in college for free, is leaving for a new school?
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Post by bulldogsdc on May 31, 2023 7:11:56 GMT -6
This has been my rule every year I’ve coached and so far ZERO issues. Well, you are an idiot. |
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Post by CS on May 31, 2023 8:46:27 GMT -6
This has been my rule every year I’ve coached and so far ZERO issues. Well, you are an idiot. Pretty sure he was kidding. It’s his rule but he’s never won one so it’s not been an issue is the joke |
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Post by silkyice on May 31, 2023 10:07:32 GMT -6
Pretty sure he was kidding. It’s his rule but he’s never won one so it’s not been an issue is the joke That was my take also. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 31, 2023 10:49:20 GMT -6
Pretty sure he was kidding. It’s his rule but he’s never won one so it’s not been an issue is the joke That was my take also. Even if so..it is a valid question- Why is this your rule? I actually didn't believe it was his rule- but that the joke was he has never won a title. |
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Post by coachwoodall on May 31, 2023 13:07:03 GMT -6
How much do state championship rings cost? What would stop parents from buying their kid a state championship ring on their own? I'm sure Jostens or whatever would be more than willing to take their money. Depending on whet they're made of they can be pretty expensive. Here's something that I wonder about: There's a pretty long lag time between when you start the process and when they get delivered. You have to get the rings sized and ordered. I get the idea that the kids quit fairly recently which means that the rings may have been made and delivered but the coach won't hand them out. When we won it all: championship games were 1st weekend in December, we played on Saturday, got sized on Monday/Tuesday, usually had to wait until mid/late February to have the banquet/ring ceremony...... so roughly 3 months at the best. |
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Post by 19delta on May 31, 2023 16:03:30 GMT -6
How much do state championship rings cost? What would stop parents from buying their kid a state championship ring on their own? I'm sure Jostens or whatever would be more than willing to take their money. Not super expensive I am sure- but I don't think the point is that the kid won't have a ring on his mantle. The point is spring is a part of the 2023 season- rings were for the 2022 season. Someone asked earlier "is the coach who announced today that he is leaving the program giving back his ring". Hypothetical here--what if the ring ceremony was in June instead of prior to his announced departure. Right. I know. What I'm saying is that it's not like the school is holding the kids' diplomas or transcripts. If the head coach wants to act like some penny ante dictator, there's nothing he can do if the kids go buy their own rings. Heck, they might have had to buy their own rings anyway. If I was the parent of the baseball player who didn't get his ring, I would make sure to order him an even nicer ring than what the team got.  |
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Post by dubber on Jun 2, 2023 23:50:30 GMT -6
Yes, it was a joke.
When we win a state title, I am sure we will have a ring distribution strategy that isn’t bat chit crazy
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Post by casec11 on Jul 24, 2023 12:41:00 GMT -6
stupid rule, and not fair to the player, the ring is for the 2022 season not the spring of 23... It will enrage the parents, then cause problems with the administration, for what?
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