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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 7, 2023 21:31:54 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Apr 8, 2023 11:59:28 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about?
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Post by blb on Apr 8, 2023 12:04:37 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about? No. |
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 8, 2023 12:36:04 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about? Greek to me. This is probably funny, but it may as well be Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky. |
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Post by blb on Apr 8, 2023 12:42:12 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about? Greek to me. This is probably funny, but it may as well be Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky. Brillig! |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2023 15:34:48 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about? Nope. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 8, 2023 17:17:50 GMT -6
In all seriousness, I would like someone who is more knowledgeable of the Saban world than me to explain why Clamp is classified in the Cover 7 family, and Cover 7 is always referred to as man match Quarters, but then the rules of Clamp are more zone match like the meme above mentions...Sooooo...why isn't it in the Cover 8 family (zone match quarters) instead? Lol
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Post by CS on Apr 8, 2023 18:48:24 GMT -6
In all seriousness, I would like someone who is more knowledgeable of the Saban world than me to explain why Clamp is classified in the Cover 7 family, and Cover 7 is always referred to as man match Quarters, but then the rules of Clamp are more zone match like the meme above mentions...Sooooo...why isn't it in the Cover 8 family (zone match quarters) instead? Lol Clamp can be played as both |
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Post by coachholmvik on Apr 10, 2023 8:58:03 GMT -6
Everything about this thread is funny
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 10, 2023 12:00:33 GMT -6
In all seriousness, I would like someone who is more knowledgeable of the Saban world than me to explain why Clamp is classified in the Cover 7 family, and Cover 7 is always referred to as man match Quarters, but then the rules of Clamp are more zone match like the meme above mentions...Sooooo...why isn't it in the Cover 8 family (zone match quarters) instead? Lol Clamp can be played as both Alright, but still, when Clamp is listed as a Cover 7 coverage, why are the rules more like zone match than man match when Cover 7 is classified as "Man match quarters"? Is Clamp ran out of the Cover 8 family, too? If so, is that Kathy? Seems like I may have seen that on here in the past |
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Post by CS on Apr 10, 2023 12:15:28 GMT -6
Clamp can be played as both Alright, but still, when Clamp is listed as a Cover 7 coverage, why are the rules more like zone match than man match when Cover 7 is classified as "Man match quarters"? Is Clamp ran out of the Cover 8 family, too? If so, is that Kathy? Seems like I may have seen that on here in the past Clamp is cover 4 and cover 2 put together. So it can be ZM 4 and ZM 2 put together or MM 4 and MM 2 put together. The rules and techniques aren't the same |
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2023 13:01:46 GMT -6
Which one would you play against a DTDW team?
Or a Power-T team?
Or a Wing-T team?
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 10, 2023 14:33:16 GMT -6
Which one would you play against a DTDW team? Or a Power-T team? Or a Wing-T team? Coach, on either of those offenses, zone match: as run support integrity is better in zone match than man match, and both of those offenses are built around the run game |
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2023 14:40:20 GMT -6
Which one would you play against a DTDW team? Or a Power-T team? Or a Wing-T team? Coach, on either of those offenses, zone match: as run support integrity is better in zone match than man match, and both of those offenses are built around the run game So - Rip/Liz? Clamp? Palms? Trap? Kathy? My head hurts just typing this. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 10, 2023 18:35:32 GMT -6
Coach, on either of those offenses, zone match: as run support integrity is better in zone match than man match, and both of those offenses are built around the run game So - Rip/Liz? Clamp? Palms? Trap? Kathy? My head hurts just typing this. For Power T and Wing T, their base Cover 3 with the strong/weak/split flow, 2 back rules (rip/liz is a Cover 3 adaption strictly for dealing with 2x2 spread), and probably some blitz coverage/max fits in their terminology. Lol to the head hurts just typing comment 😄 |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Apr 11, 2023 5:21:08 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about? No. I wish we had some kind of expectation or requirement that if people are going to use Saban coverage terms to please link a source to it. I am familiar with some, but there are so many "Sabanese" terms that it's impossible to keep up with unless you're actually coaching with his terminology it feels. I did laugh at it, because I know match coverages, whether zone or man, can look very similar and a lot of folks have a hard time distinguishing the differences. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Apr 11, 2023 5:24:05 GMT -6
Which one would you play against a DTDW team? Or a Power-T team? Or a Wing-T team? Just waiting for the day when parents start pulling their kids from schools who don't get to face spread and pass-happy teams so they can "showcase their talent" on defense for college recruiters. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 11, 2023 5:57:37 GMT -6
Am I the only one who's so Sabanese (I guess) deficient that I have no idea what they're talking about? No. I wish we had some kind of expectation or requirement that if people are going to use Saban coverage terms to please link a source to it. I am familiar with some, but there are so many "Sabanese" terms that it's impossible to keep up with unless you're actually coaching with his terminology it feels. I did laugh at it, because I know match coverages, whether zone or man, can look very similar and a lot of folks have a hard time distinguishing the differences. And the all the acolytes have started changing those terms to something else since they all play each other. I slowly am coming to know the Sabanese, b/c that is what the new staff came in with a couple of years ago. Spent a couple of days last month down at UGa and even those guys were struggle to translate what they knew to what the UGa staff and film were using coverage wise. |
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 11, 2023 7:06:53 GMT -6
I've been meaning to make myself flash cards of all the popular coverages w/ their aliases so that I can have informed conversations with people.
I don't even know what kind of quarters I coach.
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Post by morris on Apr 11, 2023 15:54:08 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2023 16:19:59 GMT -6
I've said it on here before, but 8 years ago a coach told me how hard we were to prepare for because of our offense. We ran the I with lots of Iso, trap, dive and sweep. |
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Post by blb on Apr 11, 2023 16:54:07 GMT -6
I've said it on here before, but 8 years ago a coach told me how hard we were to prepare for because of our offense. We ran the I with lots of Iso, trap, dive and sweep. Near the end of my career I asked a coach who is in HOF and made his bones as a DC what would happen if somebody ran the Veer in CFB. He said "It would work well because nobody would remember how to defend it!" |
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Post by blb on Apr 11, 2023 16:54:34 GMT -6
Tackle the guy with the ball? |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2023 16:55:35 GMT -6
I've said it on here before, but 8 years ago a coach told me how hard we were to prepare for because of our offense. We ran the I with lots of Iso, trap, dive and sweep. Near the end of my career I asked a coach who is in HOF and made his bones as a DC what would happen if somebody ran the Veer in CFB. He said "It would work well because nobody would remember how to defend it!" I really think we're only a few years from someone giving it a go. There's already a lot of proliferation of old stuff in some HS. T, single wing, wishbone. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 11, 2023 18:44:34 GMT -6
It would/will be never more than an isolated incident that has a short shelf life. It might be effective as a surprise set if not seen on film... Yes having a package of Single Wing, Maryland I, Wing Bone will create a flutter in goal line//short yardage/etc..., but not as a full time offense. There are too many resources to be had that help to decipher those offenses. Now....
would it be a beech for modern coaches to TEACH how to stop those ground and pound offenses on short notice... yes. If that ONE offense you see each year is so different would it cause a headache to have switch gears for that week... yes.
But you can't tell me that Nick Sabin if he knows UT is going to line in a Pro I set and run Iso, Toss Sweep, Iso/Counter.... that he doesn't know how to stop it.... Pffffft.
Don't get me wrong, I loved to watch PJ do his thing with the Wing Bone, or the Academies run option. I still pull up old clips of Texas or Alabama running the Bone. But today there are too many factors that work against that.... namely the stigma attached to 'old school' offenses and what it does to participation, not just execution and how to stop it.
It can work as a contrarian offense, and works best at the lowest level of competition.
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Post by morris on Apr 11, 2023 19:58:23 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2023 20:11:46 GMT -6
It would/will be never more than an isolated incident that has a short shelf life. It might be effective as a surprise set if not seen on film... Yes having a package of Single Wing, Maryland I, Wing Bone will create a flutter in goal line//short yardage/etc..., but not as a full time offense. There are too many resources to be had that help to decipher those offenses. Now.... would it be a beech for modern coaches to TEACH how to stop those ground and pound offenses on short notice... yes. If that ONE offense you see each year is so different would it cause a headache to have switch gears for that week... yes. But you can't tell me that Nick Sabin if he knows UT is going to line in a Pro I set and run Iso, Toss Sweep, Iso/Counter.... that he doesn't know how to stop it.... Pffffft. Don't get me wrong, I loved to watch PJ do his thing with the Wing Bone, or the Academies run option. I still pull up old clips of Texas or Alabama running the Bone. But today there are too many factors that work against that.... namely the stigma attached to 'old school' offenses and what it does to participation, not just execution and how to stop it. It can work as a contrarian offense, and works best at the lowest level of competition. Saban's been around for a long time so he knows how to stop it. Those guys in their 40's or even their 50's? Maybe not. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2023 20:25:35 GMT -6
Huey's Law --as a thread grows longer, no matter the initial topic, the probability that the effectiveness of option offenses in college will be mentioned grows closer to 1.00
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 11, 2023 22:45:22 GMT -6
Huey's Law --as a thread grows longer, no matter the initial topic, the probability that the effectiveness of option offenses in college will be mentioned grows closer to 1.00 Lol 😄 |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 13, 2023 11:51:41 GMT -6
Huey's Law --as a thread grows longer, no matter the initial topic, the probability that the effectiveness of option offenses in college will be mentioned grows closer to 1.00 FACTS |
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