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Post by tripsclosed on Mar 6, 2023 13:09:08 GMT -6
In an episode of Make Defense Great Again podcast with Vass, he said in his experience a lot of DCs like to stand behind their defense on the sidelines during games, but he said he actually prefers to stand behind the opposing offense.
Which do you prefer, both as an OC and DC, and why? Or, do you use a hybrid approach and jump back and forth during the game so you get a picture of what is going on from both perspectives?
Later edit: I went back to listen to this segment again earlier, and it sounded like he was talking about practice, not games...I thought he was talking about during games, I was listening to it the first time recently on a drive home from work, so that's probably why I missed him saying at the beginning of the segment it was about practice...Sorry to put out misleading info on this...
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Post by fantom on Mar 6, 2023 13:14:40 GMT -6
As a DC I stood near the down marker so that it was easy for the signal callers to find me when I signalled in defenses. When we were on offense I stayed as far away from the HC/OC as I could.
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Post by jstoss24 on Mar 6, 2023 13:16:49 GMT -6
I'm an offensive guy. I like to be behind the offense. It's a chitty view from anywhere on the sideline, so my biggest concern is making sure the offense can see the signals. I've found the best place to make sure that happens from is behind the offense.
Somewhat off-topic, but you can't say enough about how important it is to have a good person in the box to be your eyes.
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Post by carookie on Mar 6, 2023 13:29:19 GMT -6
If I am the one signaling in plays, then usually near the down marker, as this keeps me close enough to be seen by the players while back at an angle where I can better see blocking scheme and LB reactions.
If someone else is signaling in the plays, then behind the defense and about 15 yards down field from LOS (if possible) to better see the blocking scheme and reaction.
I think it should be noted I am a LB guy, so I want to see from that angle to help my position as well.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 6, 2023 13:36:02 GMT -6
As a DC I like to be about 12-15 yards behind the defense so I can see what my guys are seeing. Plus it allows the corner and safety to communicate with me between plays pretty easily. I coach DBs so we have the strongest connection and I use them to get calls, adjustments and messages into to the whole.
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Post by coachdmyers on Mar 6, 2023 13:50:29 GMT -6
As OC I like to be behind the offense, anywhere from 15 to 25 yards, if possible.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Mar 6, 2023 14:06:40 GMT -6
Behind the offense probably a carryover from coaching OL. The only problem as a DC was getting the signal in.
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Post by vikingdw on Mar 6, 2023 18:04:02 GMT -6
As an OC I always stand 10-15 yards behind their defense so I can see what they are doing and where they are lined up so I can call our offensive plays.
As a DC I always stand behind their offense so I can see what they are doing and where they are lined up so I can call the defense (base, stunt, blitz, etc.)
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Post by wingtol on Mar 6, 2023 18:20:36 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again.
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Post by fantom on Mar 6, 2023 19:07:22 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again. After many years on the sideline the boss wanted me up in the booth for my last few. After the 1st game calling a game from up there my first thought was, "Holy chit it's so much easier up here."
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Post by CS on Mar 6, 2023 19:52:24 GMT -6
Behind offense
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 6, 2023 20:23:29 GMT -6
As a DC I called it behind the offense at QB level. I never wanted the defense to have to turn away from the offense to get a signal. I hated being on the sideline, but because of the situation I felt like I needed to be there for the in-between series stuff. I also had some really smart, mature players that I could interact with face to face to get a great feel for what they were seeing.
Also, I forbade anyone other than my in the box spotter (who I deeply trusted and know he had put in the work to know what I was thinking) and the HC from ever talking on the headsets unless I specifically asked them a question.
I'm not a control or a power freak. I just have enough little voices in my head as I sit here right now, and I didn't need more in the middle of a game.
As an OC I called from the same spot, but I only signaled the formation and ran in plays with a runner b/c I also wanted to control the snap count. I think I've told this story before, but we once ran a play with a snap count of 10.
The box is infinitely better.
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Post by tog on Mar 6, 2023 21:52:25 GMT -6
In an episode of Make Defense Great Again podcast with Vass, he said in his experience a lot of DCs like to stand behind their defense on the sidelines during games, but he said he actually prefers to stand behind the opposing offense. Which do you prefer, both as an OC and DC, and why? Or, do you use a hybrid approach and jump back and forth during the game so you get a picture of what is going on from both perspectives? Later edit: I went back to listen to this segment again earlier, and it sounded like he was talking about practice, not games...I thought he was talking about during games, I was listening to it the first time recently on a drive home from work, so that's probably why I missed him saying at the beginning of the segment it was about practice...Sorry to put out misleading info on this... as far down the sideline I could to see the structure
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Post by agap on Mar 6, 2023 22:26:45 GMT -6
I always liked standing behind the defense. That way I could see what we were doing plus I could communicate to the DBs easier. Once the play was over, I was walking towards the down marker to make the call and then I walked back behind the defense.
I called the defense one year up in the box. I loved being up there but I didn't like not being able to talk to the secondary in between plays and in between series as easily. You can definitely see more up there and you can make calls without the emotions.
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Post by coachtconkle on Mar 7, 2023 12:01:45 GMT -6
As OC or DC, I prefer standing behind the action and alone except for 1-3 key players who I may want to send into the game and I've told them to stick close - all other specified subs w/in close proximity maybe 5 yards away. Granted there have been countless situations where I had to move even w/ the LOS or ahead of it. Players on the field seemed to like that they knew I would be easily visible away from everyone else. My voice was/is quite noticeable so if I was/am in a(n) unexpected place they can/could easily pick out my location.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 7, 2023 21:01:27 GMT -6
Whether as an OC or DC I like being about 5-10 yds behind the offense. I like being able see OL stuff.
I HATE being in the booth. With a burning passion.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 8, 2023 5:53:08 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again. After many years on the sideline the boss wanted me up in the booth for my last few. After the 1st game calling a game from up there my first thought was, "Holy chit it's so much easier up here." You mean I can actually see where they are lined up from the box and not have to take the word of a 16 year old kid or some coach in the box who doesn't know a 3 tech from a triple cheeseburger? Deal.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 8, 2023 6:18:04 GMT -6
After many years on the sideline the boss wanted me up in the booth for my last few. After the 1st game calling a game from up there my first thought was, "Holy chit it's so much easier up here." You mean I can actually see where they are lined up from the box and not have to take the word of a 16 year old kid or some coach in the box who doesn't know a 3 tech from a triple cheeseburger? Deal. I will now forever associate a single cheeseburger as a 1 tech, a double as a 2 tech and a triple as a 3 tech. I do not care if no one else knows what I am talking about.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 8, 2023 10:41:39 GMT -6
I'm an AC whose players never have to look at me during games. About once or twice a game I like the view down the line at just enough angle to see around the wing official. The rest of the time I like the view 20-30 yards off the line of scrimmage in either direction -- but preferably behind our team if available -- farther if play's on the far hash, nearer if on the nearer.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 8, 2023 10:50:10 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again.
Agreed, especially on defense. I can see what's going on much clearer. And, I have room for all of my crap.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 9, 2023 10:11:34 GMT -6
You mean I can actually see where they are lined up from the box and not have to take the word of a 16 year old kid or some coach in the box who doesn't know a 3 tech from a triple cheeseburger? Deal. I will now forever associate a single cheeseburger as a 1 tech, a double as a 2 tech and a triple as a 3 tech. I do not care if no one else knows what I am talking about. "Yeah, coacher. Looks like a double double with bacon to the field and single cheeseburger plain into the boundary."
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 9, 2023 10:13:24 GMT -6
Always liked being behind the offense during practice and I think it rolled over into games. Helps me with understanding what the offense is trying to do and where my guys' eyes are.
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Post by coachdmyers on Mar 9, 2023 12:48:34 GMT -6
I will now forever associate a single cheeseburger as a 1 tech, a double as a 2 tech and a triple as a 3 tech. I do not care if no one else knows what I am talking about. "Yeah, coacher. Looks like a double double with bacon to the field and single cheeseburger plain into the boundary." So is a double double with bacon a 2i then? Or is it a 2 tilted to the b gap?
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Post by MICoach on Mar 9, 2023 13:01:59 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again. What are the benefits you see from the box? The usual answers are about seeing things better and keeping emotion out of decision making...anything beyond that? wingtol same question
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Post by fantom on Mar 9, 2023 13:05:31 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again. What are the benefits you see from the box? The usual answers are about seeing things better and keeping emotion out of decision making...anything beyond that? wingtol same question That's kinda like asking, "Besides that she's hot and rich what do you like about her?"
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Post by MICoach on Mar 9, 2023 13:11:48 GMT -6
What are the benefits you see from the box? The usual answers are about seeing things better and keeping emotion out of decision making...anything beyond that? wingtol same question That's kinda like asking, "Besides that she's hot and rich what do you like about her?" That's fair...but, like, does she have a boat or anything? Maybe also has a really good sense of humor?
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Post by MICoach on Mar 9, 2023 13:13:36 GMT -6
Perhaps a better version of my previous question...what are the negatives of calling from the box?
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Post by dbc2001 on Mar 9, 2023 13:31:59 GMT -6
Went to the booth long ago as the OL/DC and was in the HC ear on O all the time. Don't think I could ever call a game on the sidelines again. What are the benefits you see from the box? The usual answers are about seeing things better and keeping emotion out of decision making...anything beyond that? wingtol same question For me the game "slowed down" a lot because there wasn't the chaos of the sideline. As a result, I could think better in terms of play progression. Also, it is much easier to pick out a weak player on the other team to attack.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 9, 2023 13:35:31 GMT -6
Two added benefits to working the box at the JuCo level was seeing personnel changes better (more prevalent in JuCo and up versus HS where your best 11 are usually out there all game) and also seeing what was going on with hurt players on the opponents' sidelines. If a starter goes down and is getting checked out by the trainer on the opposite sideline, you have a way better vantage point of what exactly it is they're looking at on him and whether he will go again or not based on mannerisms.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 9, 2023 14:25:53 GMT -6
That's kinda like asking, "Besides that she's hot and rich what do you like about her?" That's fair...but, like, does she have a boat or anything? Maybe also has a really good sense of humor? You can also see the opponents sideline which can be an advantage. See changing personnel or groups, etc. Just see reactions of coaches which can tip off what they are trying to do. See a coach and QB and WR get together so maybe alert something to that WR. Maybe see some signals. Just get a feel for them. Don't over do this and see something that isn't there, but some tells/info can be found. You can also eat up there if you wanted.
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