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Post by ohioman83 on Feb 11, 2023 19:23:28 GMT -6
Promoted to OC a year ago and now the head coach took a different job. AD made it clear he wasn’t interested in promoting within and the new coach has free rein to let everyone go. Would you stay and hope the new coach keeps you or would you take a great opportunity but means relocate your family (wife and 3 kids) to a new state.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2023 19:56:23 GMT -6
Promoted to OC a year ago and now the head coach took a different job. AD made it clear he wasn’t interested in promoting within and the new coach has free rein to let everyone go. Would you stay and hope the new coach keeps you or would you take a great opportunity but means relocate your family (wife and 3 kids) to a new state. What pays your bills? Coaching? Teaching? Other? |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 11, 2023 20:02:15 GMT -6
Try to hold off as long as you can on other job and see if the new guy seems like a solid leader. If so weigh the two options and go from there.
I’ve worked in 5 states and at multiple schools and until now I never thought about it but I’ve never worked for a head coach that didn’t hire me. But our head coach just left and a guy on staff was promoted so even still I’ll be working for a buddy.
I think in most high school situations if you hang around and do a good job the new guy will appreciate it and not treat you like a holdover.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 11, 2023 20:03:41 GMT -6
The wife’s opinion on relocating is what matters most- especially if you live close to her family
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 12, 2023 9:21:51 GMT -6
Incoming HC's usually bring their own staff with them. Prepare to go somewhere else.
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Post by dijackson08 on Feb 12, 2023 9:27:08 GMT -6
I’d prepare to leave. Head coaches usually have their coordinators picked out before they apply, and it’s normally a bad situation when the former OC and new OC are forced to work together.
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Post by sweep26 on Feb 12, 2023 10:16:18 GMT -6
Promoted to OC a year ago and now the head coach took a different job. AD made it clear he wasn’t interested in promoting within and the new coach has free rein to let everyone go. Would you stay and hope the new coach keeps you or would you take a great opportunity but means relocate your family (wife and 3 kids) to a new state. I would be very leery of relocating as an assistant coach. If you plan to be in this business over the long-haul and want to control your own destiny...find a hfc position asap. |
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 12, 2023 11:23:07 GMT -6
Incoming HC's usually bring their own staff with them. Prepare to go somewhere else. Different depending on where you're located. In CA, unless you're at a big time job, you're almost certainly inheriting the existing staff because you don't have much of a choice. When my HC first got here 13 yrs ago, the biggest job was upgrading our players, but the second biggest was coaching our coaches because we just didn't coach the way he wants it done. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 12, 2023 13:48:08 GMT -6
Agreed. Largely depends on where you are.in Iowa, Missouri, and Illinois if a head coach got to bring an assistant or two with him, that would be a huge deal! At least based on my experience...
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Post by jg78 on Feb 12, 2023 15:48:30 GMT -6
A few questions come to mind.
1. What’s your wife think of the possibility of relocating?
2. How good was your offense? Did you hang 50 on everybody or couldn’t score to save your life?
3. Is the job out of state with your former HC?
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 12, 2023 17:33:40 GMT -6
No where I've been have I got to bring in guys. If your tenured, then you may lose your coaching but you still got your teaching. If your wife isn't cool with the move then I'd put the brakes on that. This is a think through situation that is not easy get up and move. You got kids and wife. When we moved after having kids they hated it and made life really tough and they were 5 and 6.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2023 17:58:43 GMT -6
Incoming HC's usually bring their own staff with them. Prepare to go somewhere else. I’d prepare to leave. Head coaches usually have their coordinators picked out before they apply, and it’s normally a bad situation when the former OC and new OC are forced to work together. Different depending on where you're located. In CA, unless you're at a big time job, you're almost certainly inheriting the existing staff because you don't have much of a choice Largely depends on where you are.in Iowa, Missouri, and Illinois if a head coach got to bring an assistant or two with him, that would be a huge deal! At least based on my experience... No where I've been have I got to bring in guys. It amazes me how different HS football is across the country. |
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Post by ohioman83 on Feb 12, 2023 18:20:08 GMT -6
Thanks for the input! I should have out in there I work for a small D3 college. My hesitation in staying is the AD didn’t interview anyone on staff and said he would be a reference while the coaches look for a job and the new coach would be able to have a say in his staff. I have been at this college for 7 years and have gone above and beyond my job responsibilities so it was a kick in the tea h to hear him say the likelihood of being retained is small. I was very loyal to the last couple head coach and didn’t look for other jobs. Now that he is gone, the poor attitude and how unimpressive behavior of a ur AD I believe I should leave before the new head coach is able to put me on unemployment.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2023 18:32:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the input! I should have out in there I work for a small D3 college. My hesitation in staying is the AD didn’t interview anyone on staff and said he would be a reference while the coaches look for a job and the new coach would be able to have a say in his staff. I have been at this college for 7 years and have gone above and beyond my job responsibilities so it was a kick in the tea h to hear him say the likelihood of being retained is small. I was very loyal to the last couple head coach and didn’t look for other jobs. Now that he is gone, the poor attitude and how unimpressive behavior of a ur AD I believe I should leave before the new head coach is able to put me on unemployment. So coaching is the sole income- (maybe some other duties there, but you are there JUST TO COACH). Then yes, time to go. That is the profession- and the reason I left coaching on the Division I level early on in my career. I didn't want to be nomadic with a family. Some of my coaching friends averaged 2-3 years a stop for multiple decades. Ironically, my personal life turned out to be perfect for that. |
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 12, 2023 20:04:55 GMT -6
Yep, you will have to go. Didn't know it was college. I'm sure your wife understands that's part of the job. 7 years is a good stretch.
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Post by coachdmyers on Feb 13, 2023 10:06:46 GMT -6
Thanks for the input! I should have out in there I work for a small D3 college. My hesitation in staying is the AD didn’t interview anyone on staff and said he would be a reference while the coaches look for a job and the new coach would be able to have a say in his staff. I have been at this college for 7 years and have gone above and beyond my job responsibilities so it was a kick in the tea h to hear him say the likelihood of being retained is small. I was very loyal to the last couple head coach and didn’t look for other jobs. Now that he is gone, the poor attitude and how unimpressive behavior of a ur AD I believe I should leave before the new head coach is able to put me on unemployment. Alright so we're talking a D3 college job. Honestly, this is coming off as sour grapes on your part. Maybe there are details being left out, but I don't see any problem with what the AD is saying. Even in high school, places I've been don't guarantee that assistants will be retained as coaches. Being a head coach means being in charge of your staff, and being responsible for hiring. So yeah, low chance of retention isn't surprising, but the AD is saying they'd be a reference for you seems like they're doing their part to help you land on your feet. If you have a great opportunity and it aligns with what your family needs, why not go for it? But that's the big question, does it align with what your family needs? Honestly, in this business, loyalty only goes so far, and I think people tend to overestimate its importance. Integrity is far more important. |
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Post by agap on Feb 13, 2023 11:59:46 GMT -6
It seems like it’s becoming more common in high school for new HC’s to bring in a new staff. That’s what happened to us last year and we weren’t even at a large metro school. It makes sense though. If you want a change in the program, you won’t get that if all the assistants stay.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 13, 2023 12:29:38 GMT -6
If it was clear I was not wanted I would not stay. If it was clear I had another opportunity elsewhere and the family was on board I would take it.
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Post by MICoach on Feb 13, 2023 13:21:35 GMT -6
Maybe I'm in the minority here but if you want to stay and think you can interview well with the new coach that gets hired I'd say no harm in taking the interview.
At the high school level where I am, most assistants get retained if they're interested in staying, though a HC may bring a coordinator with them that they know well. Obviously not the same as a college gig, but I'd think as a former coordinator you'd have at least an ok shot at a position spot if you're willing to take it.
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Post by fantom on Feb 13, 2023 14:02:19 GMT -6
Given that this is a college job I'd say that if the OP intends to stay in college coaching he should definitely take the new opportunity.
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