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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 8, 2022 13:56:41 GMT -6
Just saw where Tennessee became the 22nd state to approve NIL deals for High School athletes... Anyone having any dealings with this yet??
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 8, 2022 14:25:34 GMT -6
I didn't realize that many states had already approved it to begin with! I think at this point, seeing how the money always wins, it's not gonna be worth resisting or fighting. It's gonna happen, and we/I can either learn to live with it or be left in the dust. I'd rather learn and adapt to stay on top of the game.
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Post by blb on Dec 8, 2022 14:42:40 GMT -6
I didn't realize that many states had already approved it to begin with! I think at this point, seeing how the money always wins, it's not gonna be worth resisting or fighting. It's gonna happen, and we/I can either learn to live with it or be left in the dust. I'd rather learn and adapt to stay on top of the game. bluedevil4 Good for you and I hope you can deal with it effectively-still have fun coaching. Personally I'm glad I retired before this came into HS athletics.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 8, 2022 15:35:13 GMT -6
I'm just kind of meh about it.
The interwebs have created a whole next level of all kind of opportunities (good&bad). With all the different platforms and EVERYONE (including us crusty old/get off my lawn coaches) on a device all the time = all those opportunities.
My oldest is getting ready to graduate with a degree in musical theater (yeah I've already told her she'll have to tote that boat anchor), and has a 99th percentile singing voice. I've tried for years to get her to YouTube/Instagram/Twitter/etc... her talent and try and monetized it..... but she is 22 going 72 when it comes to social media and refuses.
20 YO boy #1 is an old soul, and by old soul I mean he is living in the 18th century; us peasants can use it.....
Boy #2 is a 13 YO whizz bang when it comes to programing/coding/gaming and has a knack for being that raw/snarky off the cuff personality that is so prevalent on YouTube/etc.... Yet he would rather try to pry open my wallet so he can buy/get/subscribe/etc... to someone else's content.
My 29 YO wife (currently celebrating the 26th anniversary of said birthday) is the most lucrative of the family with social media on her side hustle. And no it's not Only Fans..... it's Instagram and cupcakes.
It ain't going away. It will touch any program of significance. I guess the next avenue is how can some public school program figure out a way to use it to its benefit considering all the tax payer/watch dog/etc... focus on them. The privates will probably do it first.
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Post by tripsclosed on Dec 8, 2022 16:34:21 GMT -6
I'm sure it will cause headaches, but I doubt it will be the big deal that college is because let's be real, HS player NIL deals, even the big ones will probably be small potatoes by comparison to college.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 8, 2022 17:09:08 GMT -6
I'm sure it will cause headaches, but I doubt it will be the big deal that college is because let's be real, HS player NIL deals, even the big ones will probably be small potatoes by comparison to college. Not on the scale, but there will be some big ones scattered around. Boy #2 was into Fortnight right about the time a 13 YO won $1.3 million in a tourney. VERY small private college in a town near where I grew up (1100-1200 students including the Presbyterian doctoral ministers) was one of the first to offer gaming scholarships to students to try and boost enrollment, and also resurrected their long dormant football program (dropped after WW2) at the same time. This will become a thing.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 8, 2022 17:10:39 GMT -6
Think how pervasive 'those' parents are that want said HS to get their kid a scholarship.
Those same types will be on this money train too.
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Post by CS on Dec 8, 2022 18:46:29 GMT -6
Probably need to start a thread on how to utilize the NIL in public school athletics
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 8, 2022 20:28:36 GMT -6
Probably need to start a thread on how to utilize the NIL in public school athletics That would be prudent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 20:59:30 GMT -6
Probably need to start a thread on how to utilize the NIL in public school athletics According to the rule our state (the same one as OP) just approved, NIL can happen but the school can’t be involved in any way and the kid can’t use the school logo or uniform in his stuff. At least, that’s the explanation I read. I actually like the idea that this will allow enterprising young self promoters to sell merchandise and get money for appearances or working football camps… but I see how this will basically escalate the under-the-table HS recruiting game to absurd levels in some places. In the end, I see it really just making a few of the “rich” powerhouses even richer. You’re going to see some parents and HS boosters using it as a way to stack teams around their kid. Little Johnny looks a lot better as your starter when he’s got stud teammates who make his life easier. It doesn’t even necessarily have to be a huge amount of money… a lot of great athletes are dirt poor and have families who struggle to make rent or put food in the table. I hope those families at least benefit, but any “big” NIL money a HS kid gets is going to have strings attached.
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Post by agap on Dec 8, 2022 21:31:57 GMT -6
I think our state has already approved this. I remember reading something about it at one point. It's not something I can control so I'm not going to worry about it, which is why I probably can't remember any details about it.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 8, 2022 22:27:54 GMT -6
Somewhat related: I coached a kid 5 or 6 years ago that got "internet famous" early on in Twitter. Like he had a spot on a national day time talk show to discuss it with the host.
This was a good kid with great grades and good parents, and that level of sudden "fame" and obligations was really hard for the kid to manage.
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Post by CS on Dec 9, 2022 4:53:44 GMT -6
Does anyone care enough about a high school kid to give them a significant deal?
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Post by tabs52 on Dec 9, 2022 5:57:16 GMT -6
PA just ratified their NIL.
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Post by nhsehs on Dec 9, 2022 6:37:40 GMT -6
Does anyone care enough about a high school kid to give them a significant deal? Lot of stories in different pockets of the country about getting parents jobs, homes, etc. Above board now. Could see Trinity League in CA, places in TX (not legal there yet), elite private schools, etc making this part of the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 6:46:16 GMT -6
Does anyone care enough about a high school kid to give them a significant deal? If it’s a 5 star recruit, absolutely. These companies want to get in early. That is literally why IMG academy was founded and why show companies are so involved in AAU. For most… I think it’ll be more “summer job/side hustle” type money… but a couple hundred bucks is “significant” to a lot of kids. This is all on the kids and their families to find ways to cash in. I suspect we’ll see an even bigger rise of “handlers” who get in with these kids im HS in hopes of representing them as pros later. They’ll pimp hooking kids up with NIL the same way they promote scholarships. If you get a guy like that who has just a few stud HS athletes he controls as a package deal who are financially dependent on NIL, he’s going to have a lot of pull in many places
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Post by bulldogsdc on Dec 9, 2022 8:04:50 GMT -6
If my kid can get a NIL from All Sports Grille and I can bring my wife home boneless wings whenever, I AM IN!
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Post by RunThePistol on Dec 9, 2022 8:12:22 GMT -6
I think this totally disrupts what team sports are all about, however money talks B.S. walks, so my opinion is irrelevant. cwaltsmith, do you foresee any recruiting violations coming from this? We're in the same state, and my biggest concern is there is already a massive void between the "have's" and the "have-not's" do you think this makes that void larger?
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 9, 2022 8:55:44 GMT -6
I think this totally disrupts what team sports are all about, however money talks B.S. walks, so my opinion is irrelevant. cwaltsmith , do you foresee any recruiting violations coming from this? We're in the same state, and my biggest concern is there is already a massive void between the "have's" and the "have-not's" do you think this makes that void larger? I personally think this will allow those schools with what seems to be unlimited money flow to completely take all the athletes. I mean I have a son who is a Soph. athlete. If a "booster from school offers to pay him $100 a week to " where a tshirt to advertise company X and then under his breath says if he transfers to School A, then it's hard to say you wouldn't think about doing it. On another note, I had a coach say that he doesnt think it changes anything. He said that the scenario I just described already happens, they just called it a "summer internship" or something like that ... now they will call it NIL
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Post by RunThePistol on Dec 9, 2022 9:18:13 GMT -6
I'm inclined to have the same belief as you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 9:20:08 GMT -6
I think this totally disrupts what team sports are all about, however money talks B.S. walks, so my opinion is irrelevant. cwaltsmith , do you foresee any recruiting violations coming from this? We're in the same state, and my biggest concern is there is already a massive void between the "have's" and the "have-not's" do you think this makes that void larger? I personally think this will allow those schools with what seems to be unlimited money flow to completely take all the athletes. I mean I have a son who is a Soph. athlete. If a "booster from school offers to pay him $100 a week to " where a tshirt to advertise company X and then under his breath says if he transfers to School A, then it's hard to say you wouldn't think about doing it. On another note, I had a coach say that he doesnt think it changes anything. He said that the scenario I just described already happens, they just called it a "summer internship" or something like that ... now they will call it NIL And that's the thing... there's already been a lot of shady recruiting stuff going on for while in many places. Players' families are getting hooked up with jobs, housing, etc. This is just a way to do it above board and let kids get more creative about seeking it out, but it sounds like there will be no meaningful oversight of these deals so "above board" might not mean much. With all of that said, in my area over the past few years there's already been an exodus of top athletes to other places. A few private schools in cities 2 hours away have been poaching D1 basketball talent here away from traditional powerhouses. With that happeneing BEFORE NIL, I can only imagine where this sort of thing will be in 3-5 years. This will bleed over into football, especially for top flight skill position players. I see more "super teams" emerging from this as players transfer to play with other high profile players for money as well as "exposure." Get that big-time QB via a sweet NIL deal and the rest of the talent will follow a heck of a lot cheaper, if not for free. I also wonder if the NIL collectives at the NCAA level are going to be able to get involved and start paying kids in HS get them to come to their schools later.
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Post by RunThePistol on Dec 9, 2022 9:39:44 GMT -6
The legends Ricky Woods and Rush Propst would thrive in this S^%T.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 10:25:12 GMT -6
The legends Ricky Woods and Rush Propst would thrive in this S^%T. It wouldn't shock me to see Propst get a gig somewhere and start taking advantage of this. Somebody's going to hire him again, just like they did after his previous two stops ended in scandal. It seems like just a matter of time before every state approves something like this.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 10, 2022 7:41:04 GMT -6
PA approved theirs this week. Almost immediately an area coach who has the most massive ego ever, I would say is a border line true narcissist, that played pro ball posted on FB he was looking to broker deals for his kids. Within minutes someone posted the regulations for the state saying how it is a violation for a coach to solicit NIL for players. Then this guy complained and moaned how he was the victim somehow when people came at him.
So it's off to a great start in PA!!!!!!!
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Post by immiru on Jan 2, 2023 14:55:01 GMT -6
The TN amateur revised rule (Article II, Section 18 (Amateur Rule)) is that students who receive payment for instructional services are not in violation of the Amateur Rule. Students would be permitted to receive payment for activities not related to performance provided that they are carried out in a manner that does not suggest the endorsement or sponsorship of their school. The student’s activities for which they are compensated may not include an image or likeness of the student in a uniform, or other clothing or gear depicting the name or logo of the TSSAA member school the student is attending or has attended.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 3, 2023 11:48:58 GMT -6
I'm in (MD).Just had our O lineman sign with Penn State. Our local Gold's gym reached out and offered him a free membership. No strings attached or appearances required. They just want to meet him and congratulate him. Stuff like that is pretty cool. I'm ok with situations like this on the local level. Brings the school and community together. Beyond that, I guess we'll see how things play out for all of these kids...
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 3, 2023 12:40:29 GMT -6
This will be one of those threads you wished you bookmarked 5 years from now b/c of how often it will come up as a PITA part of coaching.
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Post by mattman2 on Feb 5, 2023 15:44:28 GMT -6
From my understanding. It was never against the associations rules to make money on your Name image or likeness. Now, it could have made you ineligible to play I. The ncaa. But 95% of kids were not going to be playing a college sport anyways.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 5, 2023 16:10:40 GMT -6
The internet, smartphones, social media, etc., have changed the world. Young people have opportunities they never would have had 30 years ago when I was a teenager. It’s easier than ever before for the young to monetize their talent.
The smokin’ hot 20 year old woman at Florida State who’s willing to bare all no longer needs gatekeepers like a Hugh Hefner. She can go straight to TikTok and OnlyFans. No one cares if she’s just a general studies major. But John Doe All-American with a talent greater than 99.9% of the country and is a household name can’t cash in too?
I don’t blame the athletes. If there’s any “blame,” it’s for the fans/adults for caring way too much about who wins in a collegiate extracurricular activity. Young people are just taking advantage of overzealous adults. Doing so is part of capitalism.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2023 19:16:50 GMT -6
The internet, smartphones, social media, etc., have changed the world. Young people have opportunities they never would have had 30 years ago when I was a teenager. It’s easier than ever before for the young to monetize their talent. The smokin’ hot 20 year old woman at Florida State who’s willing to bare all no longer needs gatekeepers like a Hugh Hefner. She can go straight to TikTok and OnlyFans. No one cares if she’s just a general studies major. But John Doe All-American with a talent greater than 99.9% of the country and is a household name can’t cash in too? I don’t blame the athletes. If there’s any “blame,” it’s for the fans/adults for caring way too much about who wins in a collegiate extracurricular activity. Young people are just taking advantage of overzealous adults. Doing so is part of capitalism. I have said for a few decades now that if people really wanted "purity" in college football and basketball, it wouldn't be that hard. You could accomplish it in just a few steps: 1) coaches and athletic administrators paid far less. I am picturing maybe 100,000K or so. You want to make millions coaching? Go try the NFL. Let the Billions generated roll back to the actual universities- not the athletic programs. 2) Athletes admitted based on and held to same academic standards of the regular student. But the truth is that the masses really don't want "purity" in NCAA football or basketball. College football and basketball fans don't want to watch/cheer for teams made up of students attending their schools and playing football/basketball. USC fans don't want a roster with an average SAT score of 1440. Florida Fans don't want a roster with an average of 1360. Fans want to watch teams of players who chose to play for a certain program. A program that is just loosely connected to a university. Plus another issue arises- equitability. USC and Florida fans CERTAINLY don't want to compete against a Georgia roster with an average SAT score of 1086.
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