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Post by tripsclosed on Dec 5, 2022 13:43:28 GMT -6
Was watching a video a while back where a guy said he doesnt stick to a strict practice script because he likes to have the freedom to run back through a play if corrections need to be made so that the mistake that was just made is fresh on the player's mind instead of it being addressed at the end of practice or during the next day's practice. I get that and agree, but, what about a hybrid approach?
You plan your script like normal, but after each play, you have an "expansion slot" so to speak, if the previous play needs to be ran through again, you run it again, and then resume the script. Your script has all the stuff you absolutely need done. At the end of the scripted period, you tally the rerun slots that you did not use, and use those to run a "secondary script" of plays that are lower priority than the first script.
Anyone do anything like this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 14:02:25 GMT -6
The script is a tool, not something you're locked into. The map is not the actual territory.
If you have a scripted practice and want to redo a play to correct something, by all means do it. That's good coaching. Just yell out "OK, we're going to run #7 again" so everyone else is on the same page, coach what you need to coach, and run the play or drill.
If that means there are a few things on the script at the end, that's fine. You do those the next practice or not at all. The stuff you really need to emphasize should be at the top of the script, IMO, so you make sure you get the most important things in.
Instead of an "expansion slot" for each play (you shouldn't need to do everything twice to fix a mistake), set aside a block of time and then under-script the period. So if you have 15 minutes and are able to knock out 3 reps per minute when thing are clicking, script 30 reps so you have time at the end. If you don't need it, you just get done with practice quicker so the kids can either get a water break, move on to the next drill, or just start going back through the script a second time until the period's up.
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Post by kylem56 on Dec 5, 2022 20:02:40 GMT -6
Not sure if this is what you are looking for but something we did at my last stop as a HC was we started every practice with a 10-12 minute "correction period". This was either off of our coaches notes we made during practice or if we filmed practice that day. We would go through a quick warm up (5-7 minutes) then right into correction period then special teams.
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Post by fantom on Dec 5, 2022 20:13:12 GMT -6
What's wrong with just saying "Run it again"?
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Post by agap on Dec 5, 2022 21:47:26 GMT -6
We had a Fix-It Period at the end of practice one year when I was HC. We'd either use this for Team or Indy.
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Post by CS on Dec 6, 2022 4:40:51 GMT -6
What's wrong with just saying "Run it again"? You can’t give a clinic talk on it
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Post by bluboy on Dec 6, 2022 5:56:51 GMT -6
"What's wrong with just saying 'Run it again'? " We are old school and do this.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 6, 2022 6:58:53 GMT -6
We've done the corrections period from time to time, but that is mostly Monday fix Friday team/scheme issues.
My HC is rather old school. We just run it again. If the 15 minutes team period takes 20, then so be it. If we finish in 10-12 we move on.
It is not uncommon for the HC to just send the clock coach to reset the scoreboard clock and start the whole period over if it is horrible. We've even started the whole practice over.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 6, 2022 7:27:26 GMT -6
"What's wrong with just saying 'Run it again'? " We are old school and do this. I don't know that I want to live in a world where "Run it again" to fix problems is "old school".
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Post by coachdmyers on Dec 6, 2022 12:08:31 GMT -6
Wait, you guys have scripts?
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 6, 2022 12:19:44 GMT -6
Wait, you guys have scripts? I was going to post something similar, but got distracted by the old school comment. I don't like scripting anything in football- practice, game scripts, anything. Football is incredibly unpredictable. If you script every situation, how in the world do you or your kids deal with things when it all goes to hell?
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Post by tripsclosed on Dec 6, 2022 13:58:01 GMT -6
Wait, you guys have scripts? I was going to post something similar, but got distracted by the old school comment. I don't like scripting anything in football- practice, game scripts, anything. Football is incredibly unpredictable. If you script every situation, how in the world do you or your kids deal with things when it all goes to hell? Coach, generally speaking, the idea for a script in practice (at least speaking for myself) is to make sure you get to everything that needs to get repped. Now, to your point on unpredictably, especially for team period, one could combine that with the script approach, and just have a checklist of plays you work through during team period, you jump around the list rather than going in a strict 1, 2, 3, etc order, and check each one off, and just try to hit them all by the end of team period.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 6, 2022 14:02:14 GMT -6
Early in my career I didn't script... I do know. It is still unpredictable to the kids... they don't know the script. But all the coaches do and we make sure we get everything looked at
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 6, 2022 14:21:56 GMT -6
I am completely over spending 10-15 minutes doing team warm-ups, but alas, I'm not the HC so it's not my call. I've heard of teams blowing a whistle to start practice and on that mark everyone goes to a position group/coach and does a warm-up specific for that group, such as O-line stepping for base plays, grouping DB/WR's together and doing stance and get-offs. I got the idea from some of the old Air Raid circles. I'd much rather be doing that.
I am all about scripting practice, but again, it's a guideline, not a hard and fast rule. If you have to break from the script, you gotta break. When I script my practice time as an OC, I always try to add as much "error" time as I can. If it's a 1-hour offensive session, I only script for maybe 45-50 minutes. That way there's time to go back over things, or spend a little more time on something hopefully without cutting into Special Teams or Defense time. We're an adult women's team (not a school)...We rent our practice space in the winter for about 2 hours at a time, so we have pretty much no error room over 2 hours. When we get outside in the spring (where we have our own space), we're more loose and free with the scripts.
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Post by CoachK on Dec 6, 2022 14:33:27 GMT -6
What's wrong with just saying "Run it again"? A few things. One, if it's a team period, the defense will know it's coming and you won't get a realistic look. Unless it's a bad snap or something else along those lines, there isn't much value in just doing it over right there. Second, you can't "run it again" in a game, so why give the kids that crutch? If it's early in the year and you're doing things on air, then yeah, knock yourself out. But in-season, I like to let them live with the failure a little bit. It isn't hard to yell over to the other scout team at the end of the period and say "run card 6" or whatever. That's what I like to do. Just mark it on the script and come back, the players won't remember what they ran 2 plays later anyway.
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Post by fantom on Dec 6, 2022 14:37:24 GMT -6
What's wrong with just saying "Run it again"? A few things. One, if it's a team period, the defense will know it's coming and you won't get a realistic look. Unless it's a bad snap or something else along those lines, there isn't much value in just doing it over right there. Second, you can't "run it again" in a game, so why give the kids that crutch? If it's early in the year and you're doing things on air, then yeah, knock yourself out. But in-season, I like to let them live with the failure a little bit. It isn't hard to yell over to the other scout team at the end of the period and say "run card 6" or whatever. That's what I like to do. Just mark it on the script and come back, the players won't remember what they ran 2 plays later anyway. Actually, as a DC that's what I did because I agree with you that there's no point running a play that the D knows is coming. I was thinking of offensive group and team periods.
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Post by fantom on Dec 6, 2022 14:39:28 GMT -6
Early in my career I didn't script... I do know. It is still unpredictable to the kids... they don't know the script. But all the coaches do and we make sure we get everything looked at And that's the other big reason why we script- so that position coaches know what to focus on during each play.
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Post by coachdmyers on Dec 6, 2022 15:29:57 GMT -6
Early in my career I didn't script... I do know. It is still unpredictable to the kids... they don't know the script. But all the coaches do and we make sure we get everything looked at And that's the other big reason why we script- so that position coaches know what to focus on during each play. Our coaches just watch the signal
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Post by fantom on Dec 6, 2022 15:40:40 GMT -6
And that's the other big reason why we script- so that position coaches know what to focus on during each play. Our coaches just watch the signal But if they also know what play is coming then they know how their players should respond and can look for that.
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Post by coachdmyers on Dec 6, 2022 16:23:37 GMT -6
Our coaches just watch the signal But if they also know what play is coming then they know how their players should respond and can look for that. I'm not saying the other way is wrong, or ours is better, I'm just saying our assistant coaches just look for the signal.
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Post by CS on Dec 6, 2022 17:38:39 GMT -6
We don’t go live. Everything is on bags and the coaches are the scout team. We script to make sure we hit everything at first but we do the same thing Monday through Thursday so it’s not needed once everyone gets the routine down
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 6, 2022 18:03:07 GMT -6
Early in my career I didn't script... I do know. It is still unpredictable to the kids... they don't know the script. But all the coaches do and we make sure we get everything looked at we post cut ups of the scripts
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 6, 2022 18:05:10 GMT -6
Our coaches just watch the signal But if they also know what play is coming then they know how their players should respond and can look for that. Right, I know my field CB is going to get stress by.... double post, so I am focused there We're running a long stick blitz, so I need to make sure the DE hits his land mark etc...
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 6, 2022 18:28:34 GMT -6
Wait, you guys have scripts? I was going to post something similar, but got distracted by the old school comment. I don't like scripting anything in football- practice, game scripts, anything. Football is incredibly unpredictable. If you script every situation, how in the world do you or your kids deal with things when it all goes to hell? We script just about everything. And we go good on good as much as possible, especially for team segments. Skelly/Perimeter we'll slip in the JVs a bit more. We have a rotation for 1's & 2's of the emphasis side usually 1's for 5, 2's for 3. We try to match the 1's up as much as we can, and let the 3/4's rotate with the 2's on emphasis. Inside it just depends on the look we need for each side of the ball whether or not we are good on good or use the JV/scouts. I know about the defensive side of the ball than offense, as well as the back end as opposed to the front end b/c that is what I coach-- DBs. The other thing I'm not sure for offense is the inside daily priority. Our OC has 1 day looks versus his zone schemes and another day versus what he want to do with his gap schemes..... one is Monday, the other Tuesday. Monday is install/1st and 10/drive starters, for both offense and defense.... This is a day that is most less 'scriptish' b/c we are doing a lot of teaching. BUT even then we are mostly 1st down stuff. Early in the season, yeah, it's a lot of favorite plays/looks. Tuesday is all red zone, both O & D. We do 2 point plays off the cuff, so no script but are working on 'us' and what we do well-- it's good on good. We also work WR/DB 1 on 1s, as well as a O blitz periods -- since you usually see that in the red zone. We also do Defense 2 minute drill to end the day. Wednesday is 3rd down day (and 4th down mixed into the script). We start 3rd and long on every script and work to 3rd/4th and short. We also do some goal line 3rd/4thshort for the D since teams tend to go for it more when the D is backed up. We finish with Offense 2 minute drill. We have a couple of specific type periods that we sprinkle in to work specific techniques -- like WR/DB 1 on 1's, we also work a period about 1 a week or so of Skelly where we double cover WRs to make the offense beat double coverage. We also have a Skelly period for the offense to beat roll coverage (Sky/Cloug/flooding the underneath zones) where they O cannot throw the ball deep.
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Post by cfoott on Dec 6, 2022 19:23:44 GMT -6
Was watching a video a while back where a guy said he doesnt stick to a strict practice script because he likes to have the freedom to run back through a play if corrections need to be made so that the mistake that was just made is fresh on the player's mind instead of it being addressed at the end of practice or during the next day's practice. I get that and agree, but, what about a hybrid approach? You plan your script like normal, but after each play, you have an "expansion slot" so to speak, if the previous play needs to be ran through again, you run it again, and then resume the script. Your script has all the stuff you absolutely need done. At the end of the scripted period, you tally the rerun slots that you did not use, and use those to run a "secondary script" of plays that are lower priority than the first script. Anyone do anything like this? I like the idea of coaches coaching it up on the move. This doesn't let practice get bogged down. Then having a quick period at the end of practice to make further corrections. Then watch 10-15 minutes of practice the next. Coaches can put together which clips that really stood out, good or bad. I think layers of opportunity to make corrections is valuable.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 7, 2022 9:10:17 GMT -6
Early in my career I didn't script... I do know. It is still unpredictable to the kids... they don't know the script. But all the coaches do and we make sure we get everything looked at we post cut ups of the scripts Do you mean after practice? or before hand? And if before hand, where do you get the cut ups from?
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 7, 2022 10:51:53 GMT -6
we post cut ups of the scripts Do you mean after practice? or before hand? And if before hand, where do you get the cut ups from? we get them from the trade film, kids are EXPECTED to watch 5 minutes to know what is coming that day, they are posted by lunch
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 7, 2022 11:48:49 GMT -6
Do you mean after practice? or before hand? And if before hand, where do you get the cut ups from? we get them from the trade film, kids are EXPECTED to watch 5 minutes to know what is coming that day, they are posted by lunch OIC... ur talking about defensive script... yes we show the kids cut ups as well... I was confused as to how you would get the cut ups of the offensive script before you run it lol
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 7, 2022 12:38:43 GMT -6
we get them from the trade film, kids are EXPECTED to watch 5 minutes to know what is coming that day, they are posted by lunch OIC... ur talking about defensive script... yes we show the kids cut ups as well... I was confused as to how you would get the cut ups of the offensive script before you run it lol We do it for offense too. The script for XXX offensive play verses YYYY front and ZZZ coverage is in their cut ups. Scout teams SHOULD watch to give best possible look
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 7, 2022 13:25:31 GMT -6
OIC... ur talking about defensive script... yes we show the kids cut ups as well... I was confused as to how you would get the cut ups of the offensive script before you run it lol We do it for offense too. The script for XXX offensive play verses YYYY front and ZZZ coverage is in their cut ups. Scout teams SHOULD watch to give best possible look Yes I understand that for scout offense... again just confused thinking how you could show your offense cut ups of the plays your gonna run when you hadnt ran them yet... We do the same for defense and scout off
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