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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 1, 2022 20:18:07 GMT -6
What we have: 30x50. 5 good squat racks, 5 decent benches, 5 home made racks, dumb bells and bumpers to go with plates. No climate control and 1hour 30 minutes during the school day other wise after school or before school starting at 5:30am on the half hour until 7:30am.
We have a strength coach that is awesome a program that is outstanding and gets results.
What kids do go to the Y. Parents support that and will argue about it being just as good. We had 20 now contact injuries this season that caused athletes to miss practices and games. 18 of them were Y lifters or not lifters at all. 6 kids that at the end of last season that we thought would push for a starting job chose the Y over our program. They came back weaker and in horrible shape. One kid should have been a starter but couldn’t make it through warm ups (15 minutes of low intensity body movement).
At what point do parents realize it is for the betterment of their kid and stop making excuses? Frustration. Too many years of this..
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Post by newt21 on Dec 1, 2022 20:25:50 GMT -6
If they realize it….big if, it’s usually too little too late.
They need to hear it from the other parents and/or players if it’s not too little too late. Just my .02
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Dec 1, 2022 23:00:33 GMT -6
I know it may not be an option everywhere but: play the kids who show up to your program
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 23:40:44 GMT -6
You think they are lifting? I know they are not. Those numbers are not a coincidence.
We had an 80 pct requirement to play football during the offseason. And missing lifts during season was a missed practice.
80 pct meaning you had to have that many work out. Not necessarily at the arranged times, kids could get coaches to do make ups.
You give kids an inch, they will take your job.
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Post by CS on Dec 2, 2022 4:38:12 GMT -6
You have them for an 1:30 during school and they’re not lifting?
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Post by blb on Dec 2, 2022 5:45:11 GMT -6
What we have: 30x50. 5 good squat racks, 5 decent benches, 5 home made racks, dumb bells and bumpers to go with plates. No climate control and 1hour 30 minutes during the school day other wise after school or before school starting at 5:30am on the half hour until 7:30am. We have a strength coach that is awesome a program that is outstanding and gets results. What kids do go to the Y. Parents support that and will argue about it being just as good. We had 20 now contact injuries this season that caused athletes to miss practices and games. 18 of them were Y lifters or not lifters at all. 6 kids that at the end of last season that we thought would push for a starting job chose the Y over our program. They came back weaker and in horrible shape. One kid should have been a starter but couldn’t make it through warm ups (15 minutes of low intensity body movement). At what point do parents realize it is for the betterment of their kid and stop making excuses? Frustration. Too many years of this.. Tell them they can play for the Y's team then. |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 2, 2022 6:23:52 GMT -6
What we have: 30x50. 5 good squat racks, 5 decent benches, 5 home made racks, dumb bells and bumpers to go with plates. No climate control and 1hour 30 minutes during the school day other wise after school or before school starting at 5:30am on the half hour until 7:30am. We have a strength coach that is awesome a program that is outstanding and gets results. What kids do go to the Y. Parents support that and will argue about it being just as good. We had 20 now contact injuries this season that caused athletes to miss practices and games. 18 of them were Y lifters or not lifters at all. 6 kids that at the end of last season that we thought would push for a starting job chose the Y over our program. They came back weaker and in horrible shape. One kid should have been a starter but couldn’t make it through warm ups (15 minutes of low intensity body movement). At what point do parents realize it is for the betterment of their kid and stop making excuses? Frustration. Too many years of this.. Tell them they can play for the Y's team then. This is the answer. You want to lift at the Y while our team is playing, then ask them if they have a football team. This would be like if a coach wanted to go coach Y flag football and then show up on the sidelines on Friday and coach...which there are these guys too.... |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 2, 2022 7:36:08 GMT -6
What we have: 30x50. 5 good squat racks, 5 decent benches, 5 home made racks, dumb bells and bumpers to go with plates. No climate control and 1hour 30 minutes during the school day other wise after school or before school starting at 5:30am on the half hour until 7:30am. We have a strength coach that is awesome a program that is outstanding and gets results. What kids do go to the Y. Parents support that and will argue about it being just as good. We had 20 now contact injuries this season that caused athletes to miss practices and games. 18 of them were Y lifters or not lifters at all. 6 kids that at the end of last season that we thought would push for a starting job chose the Y over our program. They came back weaker and in horrible shape. One kid should have been a starter but couldn’t make it through warm ups (15 minutes of low intensity body movement). At what point do parents realize it is for the betterment of their kid and stop making excuses? Frustration. Too many years of this.. Institute a points program. Give them points for coming to your workouts. Give them positive consequences for coming. Also, give them negative consequences for not coming. Be that loss of playing time, extra conditioning to "catch them up" to those that showed up, no helmet decals, whatever. If you just decry it and don't do anything about it, you're just letting it happen. |
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Post by cfoott on Dec 2, 2022 7:56:38 GMT -6
Do.you guys incentivise coming into the weight room? Tshirts? I've always liked the idea of having a helmet award that stand out for those whose shown the commitment to the offseason program. Could be the school mascot in a brighter color so that all the people in the crowd can see it. May get people to talk. "Why do some players have fhiae stickers and some don't?"
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Post by blb on Dec 2, 2022 8:12:42 GMT -6
Do.you guys incentivise coming into the weight room? Tshirts? I've always liked the idea of having a helmet award that stand out for those whose shown the commitment to the offseason program. Could be the school mascot in a brighter color so that all the people in the crowd can see it. May get people to talk. "Why do some players have fhiae stickers and some don't?" When we go on the field I would want one team and one uniform, nothing to single out player(s) positively or negatively. Especially for Off-Season stuff that could not be "required." Also - cfoott , what is "fhiae"? |
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Post by tripsclosed on Dec 2, 2022 8:19:41 GMT -6
What we have: 30x50. 5 good squat racks, 5 decent benches, 5 home made racks, dumb bells and bumpers to go with plates. No climate control and 1hour 30 minutes during the school day other wise after school or before school starting at 5:30am on the half hour until 7:30am. We have a strength coach that is awesome a program that is outstanding and gets results. What kids do go to the Y. Parents support that and will argue about it being just as good. We had 20 now contact injuries this season that caused athletes to miss practices and games. 18 of them were Y lifters or not lifters at all. 6 kids that at the end of last season that we thought would push for a starting job chose the Y over our program. They came back weaker and in horrible shape. One kid should have been a starter but couldn’t make it through warm ups (15 minutes of low intensity body movement). At what point do parents realize it is for the betterment of their kid and stop making excuses? Frustration. Too many years of this.. Tell them they can play for the Y's team then. 😄😄😄 |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 2, 2022 8:35:27 GMT -6
Do.you guys incentivise coming into the weight room? Tshirts? I've always liked the idea of having a helmet award that stand out for those whose shown the commitment to the offseason program. Could be the school mascot in a brighter color so that all the people in the crowd can see it. May get people to talk. "Why do some players have fhiae stickers and some don't?" When we go on the field I would want one team and one uniform, nothing to single out player(s) positively or negatively. Especially for Off-Season stuff that could not be "required." Also - cfoott , what is "fhiae"? Do all your kids wear the same shoes? Same socks? Same gloves? Same undershirts/sleeves/tights? |
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Post by cfoott on Dec 2, 2022 8:36:42 GMT -6
Do.you guys incentivise coming into the weight room? Tshirts? I've always liked the idea of having a helmet award that stand out for those whose shown the commitment to the offseason program. Could be the school mascot in a brighter color so that all the people in the crowd can see it. May get people to talk. "Why do some players have fhiae stickers and some don't?" When we go on the field I would want one team and one uniform, nothing to single out player(s) positively or negatively. Especially for Off-Season stuff that could not be "required." Also - cfoott , what is "fhiae"? Lol. This damn fat fingers... have. It was supposed to say have. I see what you're saying about the one uniform. There are other ways to reward kids for showing up. You don't have to make it required. Just a nod to those that are coming in. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 2, 2022 8:41:01 GMT -6
What we have: 30x50. 5 good squat racks, 5 decent benches, 5 home made racks, dumb bells and bumpers to go with plates. No climate control and 1hour 30 minutes during the school day other wise after school or before school starting at 5:30am on the half hour until 7:30am. We have a strength coach that is awesome a program that is outstanding and gets results. What kids do go to the Y. Parents support that and will argue about it being just as good. We had 20 now contact injuries this season that caused athletes to miss practices and games. 18 of them were Y lifters or not lifters at all. 6 kids that at the end of last season that we thought would push for a starting job chose the Y over our program. They came back weaker and in horrible shape. One kid should have been a starter but couldn’t make it through warm ups (15 minutes of low intensity body movement). At what point do parents realize it is for the betterment of their kid and stop making excuses? Frustration. Too many years of this.. Tell them they can play for the Y's team then. I said this and got a "WOW" from a parent. |
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Post by blb on Dec 2, 2022 8:47:31 GMT -6
When we go on the field I would want one team and one uniform, nothing to single out player(s) positively or negatively. Especially for Off-Season stuff that could not be "required." Also - cfoott , what is "fhiae"? Do all your kids wear the same shoes? Same socks? Same gloves? Same undershirts/sleeves/tights? Same color shoes and socks. Same jerseys, pants, helmets including decals. Didn't care about gloves or anything that couldn't be seen (undershirts). When weather became a consideration I wasn't too particular about long sleeves or tights. I "suggested" long sleeve shirts be similar to jersey or at least a school color but wasn't a stickler. Most wore white shirts and black tights. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 2, 2022 8:48:29 GMT -6
Our winter weights comes with food/snacks/t-shirts/and 2 stickers for the helmets come fall. They get 2 stickers for each off season sport and each season that they attend weight training. Attendance is set at 80% of scheduled lifts which equates to 4 days a week with a bonus day every other week. Bonus days are contest days that I would characterize as more fun than a training session but the kids have loved it and they can't attend unless they have at least 3 days that week.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 2, 2022 9:23:18 GMT -6
Hold an off-season meeting with the parents and point out what you posted. You could win some converts and you're also bringing it to their attention, formally. Just be careful how you word things so that it doesn't come across as "mandatory".
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Post by lws55 on Dec 2, 2022 9:59:33 GMT -6
We had a board in the weight room with every kids name on a tag. The board had different levels based on effort. We had an 85% requirement for the weightroom unless you were in another sport. We would move the kids up and down the board based on their attendance and meeting the requirements. The kids were checking that board all the time to see where they were.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 2, 2022 10:24:38 GMT -6
I would and have told my players that going to the Y is fine... BUT your gonna work out with the TEAM bc it is more than just working out... IT IS A TEAM!!!!... As said before have meeting to explain this... have data to back it up which you do... and play the kids that show up. I get that some have to work etc... but you are offering 3 different times if I saw correctly, and I am sure you would work with a weird situation if one came up. ITS ABOUT THE TEAM!!! NOT YOU!!! If you wanna go to the Y for extra have at it.
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Post by veerwego on Dec 2, 2022 11:08:43 GMT -6
One thing I thought about trying at some point was a helmet decal system loosely based on Ohio State. I almost got the HC job at a school that copied their uniforms. So the right side of the helmet was going to be for offseason, so Dec or maybe Jan thru the start of the next season's practice.
This would be based on the old Florida A&M coach, maybe Joe Taylor but it might before him, anyway they had one rule... Do Right. So Right Side... basically, have a weekly check-in sheet... if you have no 0s, no behavior problems, make all your lifts either during class or outside of school, and have all passing grades (maybe C average) you bank a helmet sticker for the right side of your helmet in the fall. Same thing for meeting summer expectation week to week. Looking at our school calendar, this would equate to about 33 weeks. Most helmets hold about 45-50 stickers. ESPN just did something last week on the Ohio St. & Michigan Helmet decal systems and I think they said that they hold 47 per side. So you could give some extra incentives for Straight A report cards, hitting PRs or goals at max outs, perfect attendance, community service hours, etc. Or you could just keep going with the check-in sheet during the season and they still get one per week.
Then the left side would be for once the season starts. You could have 5 goals per game for offense and defense or whatever and they get one for each. Maybe have a way for non-starters to earn them during practice. Be creative. I know we did it so that everyone got one for each win. Ohio St. does maybe two for a Big 10 win and 3 for a Michigan win.
I thought this would be a good way to have at least a small amount (hopefully more) motivation to do the right things and show up all year long and especially for the kids that know they probably won't get to play much, but they can have just as many decals on the right side of their helmet if not more.
When I did get a job we had matte white helmets/facemasks and metallic blue & white FSU spears. But in the back, where Oregon puts the O, if you did certain things, I think it was attend all spring practices, a certain number of summer lifts/practices, all pre-season practices, and maybe a couple other things you got our traditional school logo to go back there. It looked really good and certainly helped us get some kids going in the right direction.
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Post by coachdmyers on Dec 2, 2022 11:26:32 GMT -6
I've long found that many parents associate paying for something with it being better than the "free" version. Our strength coach also works at a local gym and some of them will pay for their kid to do lifting with him there, rather than the free version at our school. It'd be the exact same workout either way...
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Post by blb on Dec 2, 2022 12:22:47 GMT -6
CanyonCoach Without going into details at my last HC job I was faced with a similar situation. Here's what I told our kids: Our program will make you the best football player you can be including injury-avoidance. Plus we need to train as a TEAM including with your coaches. Besides the physical benefits that is one of the most important elements of any Off-Season program. If you want to do more, that is up to you, but be wary of Over-Training. When August rolls around you will be tested based on OUR program and how you do on that will determine to some extent where you begin on Depth Chart when practice starts, including attendance (although we could not require it or make it "mandatory").
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Post by sweep26 on Dec 2, 2022 12:56:15 GMT -6
Building a program at any level requires strict criteria and a willingness to dismiss those who do not fit.
Psychologists have identified the 3 human psychological needs necessary for optimal human functioning...Competency, Autonomy and Relatedness (a sense of belonging and an attachment to other people).
Working together in your weight room is not just about becoming bigger, faster & stronger...equally important is the fact that it demonstrates a genuine commitment to one-another!!
Commitment is the key to superior performance!!
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Post by bartimus58 on Dec 2, 2022 21:35:08 GMT -6
The Twitter strength coaches would have a stroke if they saw our off season program. We changed our program up from previous years. We worked their guts out, doing some “old school” stuff. Started in January, 4 days a week. We had six 2-way starters and 5 sophomores started for us. We ended the year with no major injuries to any of our key players. 2 starters missed a game each (1 due to slipping on the concrete outside the stadium and got a concussion). All but one of our key contributors came to 70%+ of the workouts.
To answer the question, parents that don’t think training with the team matters because “they lift on their own.” What we do is meant to prepare them for the season and to prevent injuries. Based on previous season injuries, this is the most prepared we have ever been for a season.
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