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Post by coachb82 on Nov 14, 2022 10:47:33 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason?
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Post by coachcb on Nov 14, 2022 11:05:24 GMT -6
1. Networking with more knowledgeable coaches. When I run into an issue, I typically hunt someone down I know who's a "guru" on the topic. I prefer getting my info from "the trenches" as it's usually more valuable.
2. Books. I love to read so buying a book on a topic is a treat for me. Some books offer more than others but there's always something to take away from them. And, reading is just good for my brain.
3. Videos. I don't watch many full clinic videos but I find great drills and progressions in this format.
4. Last on my list is clinics. I'm just old, cranky and don't enjoy them much anymore.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 14, 2022 11:10:51 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? I don't really like clinics personally. Those are more of a social event than anything else imo. I like coming here and asking questions, reading through threads, etc. A lot of knowledgeable dudes who've been around a lot of football who are happy to talk on here. I'll probably get called out for this one, but Twitter can be decent if you can filter through the culture bro stuff. YouTube. Tons of great drills out there along with what to use them for in your indy work. I'll be spending a lot of time myself this offseason whenever our playoff run comes to an end. Finishing up my first season as the varsity RB coach and now I have an idea of what I know and coach well, vs what I don't know and want to coach better.
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Post by GuyinOhio on Nov 14, 2022 11:12:21 GMT -6
1. Networking with more knowledgeable coaches. When I run into an issue, I typically hunt someone down I know who's a "guru" on the topic. I prefer getting my info from "the trenches" as it's usually more valuable. 2. Books. I love to read so buying a book on a topic is a treat for me. Some books offer more than others but there's always something to take away from them. And, reading is just good for my brain. 3. Videos. I don't watch many full clinic videos but I find great drills and progressions in this format. 4. Last on my list is clinics. I'm just old, cranky and don't enjoy them much anymore. I agree on clinics. I coach baseball as well and find baseball clinics great because you can apply things easily to what you do. Football clinics now seem so scheme specific and very vague topics. Not to mention half of the clinic is about their background and culture. Don't even get me started on the clinic speakers who talk about having "every day guys like everyone else" when they have 6 D1 kids on defense alone, only to show clips where no one does what he just described. I think trying to message coaches also in the off season is very valuable as you can look for schools that do similar things and pick up minor things they do that you may like.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 14, 2022 11:18:05 GMT -6
1. Networking with more knowledgeable coaches. When I run into an issue, I typically hunt someone down I know who's a "guru" on the topic. I prefer getting my info from "the trenches" as it's usually more valuable. 2. Books. I love to read so buying a book on a topic is a treat for me. Some books offer more than others but there's always something to take away from them. And, reading is just good for my brain. 3. Videos. I don't watch many full clinic videos but I find great drills and progressions in this format. 4. Last on my list is clinics. I'm just old, cranky and don't enjoy them much anymore. I agree on clinics. I coach baseball as well and find baseball clinics great because you can apply things easily to what you do. Football clinics now seem so scheme specific and very vague topics. Not to mention half of the clinic is about their background and culture. Don't even get me started on the clinic speakers who talk about having "every day guys like everyone else" when they have 6 D1 kids on defense alone, only to show clips where no one does what he just described. I think trying to message coaches also in the off season is very valuable as you can look for schools that do similar things and pick up minor things they do that you may like. lol I attended a session called "Doing Less with More" a few years back. Was supposed to talk about getting more out of inferior athletes or whatever. There was nothing else calling out to me in that time slot so I figured why not. Opens up with talking about his QB who was headed to Va. Tech. His TE that was going I don't remember where. You get the point. Currently has a QB committed to another Power 5 school lol
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Post by coachcb on Nov 14, 2022 11:28:17 GMT -6
1. Networking with more knowledgeable coaches. When I run into an issue, I typically hunt someone down I know who's a "guru" on the topic. I prefer getting my info from "the trenches" as it's usually more valuable. 2. Books. I love to read so buying a book on a topic is a treat for me. Some books offer more than others but there's always something to take away from them. And, reading is just good for my brain. 3. Videos. I don't watch many full clinic videos but I find great drills and progressions in this format. 4. Last on my list is clinics. I'm just old, cranky and don't enjoy them much anymore. I agree on clinics. I coach baseball as well and find baseball clinics great because you can apply things easily to what you do. Football clinics now seem so scheme specific and very vague topics. Not to mention half of the clinic is about their background and culture. Don't even get me started on the clinic speakers who talk about having "every day guys like everyone else" when they have 6 D1 kids on defense alone, only to show clips where no one does what he just described. I think trying to message coaches also in the off season is very valuable as you can look for schools that do similar things and pick up minor things they do that you may like.
This has been my experience; far too much Xs and Os talk. I've seen some great presentations involving skills and drills but, for every one of those, there's five talking about _____ offense or ______ defense.
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Post by fantom on Nov 14, 2022 12:22:32 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? I'll speak up for clinics. I think that for a young coach they're a good way to get exposed to a lot of different systems, philosophies, and techniques. A cheaper easier way to do that would be to order a Nike Coach of the Year Clinic Manual. That way you can just skip over the aforementioned bullchit and get at the stuff you want. As far as learning position-specific stuff I found that visiting coaches and watching practices work best.
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Post by GuyinOhio on Nov 14, 2022 12:50:44 GMT -6
I agree on clinics. I coach baseball as well and find baseball clinics great because you can apply things easily to what you do. Football clinics now seem so scheme specific and very vague topics. Not to mention half of the clinic is about their background and culture. Don't even get me started on the clinic speakers who talk about having "every day guys like everyone else" when they have 6 D1 kids on defense alone, only to show clips where no one does what he just described. I think trying to message coaches also in the off season is very valuable as you can look for schools that do similar things and pick up minor things they do that you may like.
This has been my experience; far too much Xs and Os talk. I've seen some great presentations involving skills and drills but, for every one of those, there's five talking about _____ offense or ______ defense.
My school does not run the I offense, but if someone were to give a clinic talk on something specific such as "Adjustments to power in the I formation and how to drill it" I would feel way more inclined than the usual "Offense in the 21st century" clinic talk where they discuss IZ and their awesome RPO backside which is either a bubble or a hitch to their all state WR.
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Post by GuyinOhio on Nov 14, 2022 12:58:32 GMT -6
One thing I would do, and something I did when I was in my first couple years, would be to just meet with your HC and talk about specifics. If your HC has been around and knows his stuff, he is pretty valuable as a learning tool as you may learn a lot of nuances to what you do.
Also, I found going back and padding games that we had and just simply writing notes why something may or may not have worked as very valuable. Then when it came to other learning tools, I used to have a Bill Williams Subscription was great, but also technique videos specifically older ones you may find on coaches choice. IMO older dvd's seem to emphasize technique way more than newer ones where it all seems packaged X's and O's.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 14, 2022 13:47:44 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? Spend at least half of your time and resources studying DB play.
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Post by sbackes on Nov 14, 2022 15:50:22 GMT -6
1. Learn from yourself. Watch all your film from this year. What is your position asked to do most of the time? Go back and look at your old practice schedules- did you spend most of your Indy time repping the techniques you needed the most in the games? What errors were repeated and critical? Make a plan to address the most common and important situations and techniques. This plan will provide guidance as you learn this off-season- the Information Age is now the information overload age. It is imperative to stay grounded and focused in your quest for knowledge.
2. Learn defense. Ask your DC questions about scheme. Ask your DBs coach about techniques. Talk to other defensive coaches at other schools as well. I coach OL and once I started to see common themes in all DL coaches I talked to, I could better equip my OL to handle those commonalities.
3. Read lots of nonfiction books. Some about football, some on other topics- again notice themes of elite groups and leaders- model yourself after them.
4. Watch great coaches at practice. It doesn’t matter the sport. Find a couple great local coaches (basketball, wrestling, track, tiddlywinks - it doesn’t matter) that will let you just observe practice. You will learn so much- especially once you see what the great ones have in common.
5. Ask lots of questions. Great coaches love to teach the game- they don’t care to whom. Email them, DM them, talk to them in person - the more specific the question is to their work, their technique and their kids the more you will learn. I’ve never had a guy not reply when I asked a specific question. Make a daily or weekly goal to reach out to somebody. Example: Monday = WR position coach with a technique question. Tuesday- OC scheme question. Wednesday- DB technique question. Thursday- DC scheme question. Friday- S&C question.
6. Play dumb. Don’t try to show your own knowledge when learning- have a learner’s heart. There are no stupid questions. Ask questions. Take notes. Ask for a diagram. After clinic talks, ask questions of other attendees in the same session.
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Post by coachb82 on Nov 15, 2022 10:08:11 GMT -6
1. Learn from yourself. Watch all your film from this year. What is your position asked to do most of the time? Go back and look at your old practice schedules- did you spend most of your Indy time repping the techniques you needed the most in the games? What errors were repeated and critical? Make a plan to address the most common and important situations and techniques. This plan will provide guidance as you learn this off-season- the Information Age is now the information overload age. It is imperative to stay grounded and focused in your quest for knowledge. 2. Learn defense. Ask your DC questions about scheme. Ask your DBs coach about techniques. Talk to other defensive coaches at other schools as well. I coach OL and once I started to see common themes in all DL coaches I talked to, I could better equip my OL to handle those commonalities. 3. Read lots of nonfiction books. Some about football, some on other topics- again notice themes of elite groups and leaders- model yourself after them. 4. Watch great coaches at practice. It doesn’t matter the sport. Find a couple great local coaches (basketball, wrestling, track, tiddlywinks - it doesn’t matter) that will let you just observe practice. You will learn so much- especially once you see what the great ones have in common. 5. Ask lots of questions. Great coaches love to teach the game- they don’t care to whom. Email them, DM them, talk to them in person - the more specific the question is to their work, their technique and their kids the more you will learn. I’ve never not had a guy not reply when I asked a specific question. Make a daily or weekly goal to reach out to somebody. Example: Monday = WR position coach with a technique question. Tuesday- OC scheme question. Wednesday- DB technique question. Thursday- DC scheme question. Friday- S&C question. 6. Play dumb. Don’t try to show your own knowledge when learning- have a learner’s heart. There are no stupid questions. Ask questions. Take notes. Ask for a diagram. After clinic talks, ask questions of other attendees in the same session. Wow, this is exactly the kinda instruction I was looking for, thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 19:33:58 GMT -6
Read and watch everything. The more you watch the more you are going to see. Find the best coach on your staff( that does not come close to or always equate to coordinator/hc). Go through hueytube and pm people. Plenty of guys who will do business with you. PM people here who do something that interest you. Do not put yourself in box. That is a loaded statement but you will figure it out.
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 15, 2022 20:21:44 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? I offer this suggestion because I learned this the hard way: Don't spend too much time running all the drills you read in a book! You can run drills all day long and they may not ever help you as much as you think. Yes, your guys need to know the position, but when you see someone having a problem in a certain area, realize that you can create your own drill to fix that problem! Drills are to teach something and then practice it. Then years from now, you can write your own book on teaching WR's. Because that's how the book you're reading got the materiel to print! Also, just because Coach "______" does something a certain way doesn't mean that you must do it exactly that way, too. Remember, it's the way HE does it. Finally, remember...these guys are only H.S. kids. A few years ago they were sleeping with a Teddy Bear.
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Post by coachb82 on Nov 16, 2022 12:45:38 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? I offer this suggestion because I learned this the hard way: Don't spend too much time running all the drills you read in a book! You can run drills all day long and they may not ever help you as much as you think. Yes, your guys need to know the position, but when you see someone having a problem in a certain area, realize that you can create your own drill to fix that problem! Drills are to teach something and then practice it. Then years from now, you can write your own book on teaching WR's. Because that's how the book you're reading got the materiel to print! Also, just because Coach "______" does something a certain way doesn't mean that you must do it exactly that way, too. Remember, it's the way HE does it. Finally, remember...these guys are only H.S. kids. A few years ago they were sleeping with a Teddy Bear. Really helpful, thank you!
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 16, 2022 13:32:09 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? Have someone get you access to the Google Drive that has all the football stuff in it. Read AFCA Coaches Bible- Particularly the part about being a great assistant coach. Go to some basketball games and recruit the kids not playing....6'3" WR getting a lot more scholarship$ than a 6'3" Wing
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Post by tog on Nov 16, 2022 14:36:18 GMT -6
This has been my experience; far too much Xs and Os talk. I've seen some great presentations involving skills and drills but, for every one of those, there's five talking about _____ offense or ______ defense.
My school does not run the I offense, but if someone were to give a clinic talk on something specific such as "Adjustments to power in the I formation and how to drill it" I would feel way more inclined than the usual "Offense in the 21st century" clinic talk where they discuss IZ and their awesome RPO backside which is either a bubble or a hitch to their all state WR. hell yes
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Post by kylem56 on Nov 16, 2022 17:49:29 GMT -6
Clinics are alright. In the age of DVDs/VHS tapes, those were good too but the best I ever did was reach out to legend, Hall of Fame coaches and say hey, can I visit with you for 2 hours every "Tuesday" night for the next month. I would bring pizza and beer and sit and learn from them. I have binders full of notes from those times.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 18, 2022 10:53:53 GMT -6
One year about 8 years into my coaching career I had built enough relationships with area HS coaches that I contacted them and went to their practices while they were in the playoffs. A couple conference teams were kind enough to allow me to attend, as were some non conference ones. I didn't look at x's and o's, but was just interested in how they did things. I learned that everyone skins the cat differently, but all the solid programs have a lot of similarities.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 18, 2022 11:08:34 GMT -6
One year about 8 years into my coaching career I had built enough relationships with area HS coaches that I contacted them and went to their practices while they were in the playoffs. A couple conference teams were kind enough to allow me to attend, as were some non conference ones. I didn't look at x's and o's, but was just interested in how they did things. I learned that everyone skins the cat differently, but all the solid programs have a lot of similarities. I told myself this was going to be the first year I did this, but then life happened. Hopefully next year.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 18, 2022 11:16:58 GMT -6
One year about 8 years into my coaching career I had built enough relationships with area HS coaches that I contacted them and went to their practices while they were in the playoffs. A couple conference teams were kind enough to allow me to attend, as were some non conference ones. I didn't look at x's and o's, but was just interested in how they did things. I learned that everyone skins the cat differently, but all the solid programs have a lot of similarities. I told myself this was going to be the first year I did this, but then life happened. Hopefully next year. I was lucky in that we only had one kid at the time, and she was the age that she kinda was not as maintenance necessary (3yrs old). There were only a couple nights I was any later than I would have been for practice or weights. I always wanted to do it again, but as you said, life happened.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 18, 2022 11:20:57 GMT -6
One year about 8 years into my coaching career I had built enough relationships with area HS coaches that I contacted them and went to their practices while they were in the playoffs. A couple conference teams were kind enough to allow me to attend, as were some non conference ones. I didn't look at x's and o's, but was just interested in how they did things. I learned that everyone skins the cat differently, but all the solid programs have a lot of similarities.
Over the years, a few local colleges have allowed us to come watch spring and summer practices. I picked up a lot of good good stuff doing this/ My alma mater was awesome about this; we shadowed the OL for a full week and the coach would answer questions we had after every practice. They certainly didn't need to allow this.
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 18, 2022 11:51:46 GMT -6
I agree on clinics. I coach baseball as well and find baseball clinics great because you can apply things easily to what you do. Football clinics now seem so scheme specific and very vague topics. Not to mention half of the clinic is about their background and culture. Don't even get me started on the clinic speakers who talk about having "every day guys like everyone else" when they have 6 D1 kids on defense alone, only to show clips where no one does what he just described. I think trying to message coaches also in the off season is very valuable as you can look for schools that do similar things and pick up minor things they do that you may like. lol I attended a session called "Doing Less with More" a few years back. Was supposed to talk about getting more out of inferior athletes or whatever. There was nothing else calling out to me in that time slot so I figured why not. Opens up with talking about his QB who was headed to Va. Tech. His TE that was going I don't remember where. You get the point. Currently has a QB committed to another Power 5 school lol I would ask for a refund for that portion of the clinic lol. That is fkd. Sometimes folks drive or fly hundreds of miles, spend 2-3 nights in a hotel, etc to go to a clinic.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 18, 2022 11:59:30 GMT -6
lol I attended a session called "Doing Less with More" a few years back. Was supposed to talk about getting more out of inferior athletes or whatever. There was nothing else calling out to me in that time slot so I figured why not. Opens up with talking about his QB who was headed to Va. Tech. His TE that was going I don't remember where. You get the point. Currently has a QB committed to another Power 5 school lol I would ask for a refund for that portion of the clinic lol. That is fkd. Sometimes folks drive or fly hundreds of miles, spend 2-3 nights in a hotel, etc to go to a clinic. Was useful though. I really feel like I can do more with our lesser athletes now that I know all I need is a power 5 QB walking around to make those players better lol.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 18, 2022 12:08:42 GMT -6
I would ask for a refund for that portion of the clinic lol. That is fkd. Sometimes folks drive or fly hundreds of miles, spend 2-3 nights in a hotel, etc to go to a clinic. Was useful though. I really feel like I can do more with our lesser athletes now that I know all I need is a power 5 QB walking around to make those players better lol. Worst clinic presentation I ever went to was a guy from Ga who was speaking on the 4-4. Did the normal, I'm awesome bit because we win without "dudes" shtick and then proceeded to talk about his average of 3-5 SEC players every year on his defense. Also expounded upon the insanity he would unleash on opposing offenses by putting his 1 technique to the strong side and the 3 to the weak. For 20 minutes.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 18, 2022 12:14:43 GMT -6
Was useful though. I really feel like I can do more with our lesser athletes now that I know all I need is a power 5 QB walking around to make those players better lol. Worst clinic presentation I ever went to was a guy from Ga who was speaking on the 4-4. Did the normal, I'm awesome bit because we win without "dudes" shtick and then proceeded to talk about his average of 3-5 SEC players every year on his defense. Also expounded upon the insanity he would unleash on opposing offenses by putting his 1 technique to the strong side and the 3 to the weak. For 20 minutes. YeS i hAd FiVe KiDz gO tO BaMa bUt ThE oThEr 6 wErE pUdS AnD OnLy gOt d2 OfFeRs
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Post by MICoach on Nov 21, 2022 8:04:50 GMT -6
We used to go to 1-2 clinics but that hasn't happened since the pandemic...
Between CoachHuey, X&O Labs, and various youtube/twitter stuff, I will study up on things that I feel like I can learn from. A lot of the time this centers around changes our HC or OC want to make, but sometimes it's just stuff that I'm interested in.
I always tell myself I'm gonna spend a lot of time reviewing film from the previous season...I do some but Hudl Assist can do a lot of the necessary work now days.
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Post by cfoott on Nov 21, 2022 9:11:33 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? I like a lot of the online content. X and O Labs, CoachTube, a little from YouTube. You just have to sift through some of the BS. I used to enjoy clinics. I've found that a lot of the topics are pretty generic though. Don't really use it to network either. Books are a great resource. I would also watch your film and compare what you're players are doing vs what you want them to do. Then look at how you are drilling the things they are collectively not performing well. Then you will have some sort of direction.
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Post by fantom on Nov 21, 2022 12:07:43 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? I like a lot of the online content. X and O Labs, CoachTube, a little from YouTube. You just have to sift through some of the BS. I used to enjoy clinics. I've found that a lot of the topics are pretty generic though. Don't really use it to network either. Books are a great resource. I would also watch your film and compare what you're players are doing vs what you want them to do. Then look at how you are drilling the things they are collectively not performing well. Then you will have some sort of direction. As I progressed in my coaching career I also found clinics less useful. Again though, keep in mind that the OP is just starting in his career. For him, generic isn't a bad thing.
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Post by coachdmyers on Nov 22, 2022 14:45:53 GMT -6
Now entering my 1st offseason as a position coach (WRs), not really sure where to start as far as learning more about position work in Indy, but also having a better understanding of the offense as a whole. I bought the book “The Complete Handbook of Coaching Wide Receivers” but haven’t finished it yet, any other ideas / recommendations? Going to meet with the OC a lot this offseason as well of course, but I want to do more to learn & accelerate my growth. Are clinics best? Meeting with other coaches? How do y’all improve in the offseason? Have someone get you access to the Google Drive that has all the football stuff in it. Read AFCA Coaches Bible- Particularly the part about being a great assistant coach. Go to some basketball games and recruit the kids not playing....6'3" WR getting a lot more scholarship$ than a 6'3" Wing But coach, now hear me out, what if he's on an AAU team? I mean, only a matter of time before that D1 offer rolls in then, right? I mean, his AAU coach probably told him so.
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