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Post by carookie on Nov 4, 2022 7:07:43 GMT -6
Maybe he wouldve, maybe not. But I know a lot of defensive game planning, alignment, and substitution is based on opponent personnel. Seeing as how jersey number is how we recognize said personnel, at least at the start of the game, I can see it as having an impact. I guess I just never game planned to stop "number whatever". If their TB was their main threat, we game planned to stop the plays that featured him. If he were suddenly not in the game, their offense is probably built around those plays and most people still try to use those plays with a backup. We rarely mentioned a kid's number when preparing the defense. We certainly never geared them to look for a certain number so much that the same kid in a different jersey could just sneak by us for a TD because he had on a different number. Its not so much ‘stop a certain number’, rather when they have certain players in they are more likely to do certain things. We are playing an opponent this week that is 86% run when they have 2 or more of their rbs in the game. Now sometimes these rbs line up at slot, wing, etc. But when they have 2+ in the game, look for run (as opposed to 78% pass when 1 or less). We know their #s and the booth is looking for them and any personnel changes, so we can match our personnel and play calling. If they came out tonight with a couple if them in different numbers, it would take a while for us to figure out who is who. We would figure it out, but in that time they could have used it to a decent advantage. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 4, 2022 7:17:32 GMT -6
We game plan as much as possible, and knowing who is who is part of our defensive strategy. If there is a particularly good player (RB, WR, OL, TE or QB) we point that out. We will even designate that kid in the show/scout team and try to match that player's aptitude with our own if we can (speed, size, etc...). And if there is a particular player that can give us fits, we will game plan for him accordingly just like anyone would.
That being said if a team switched jerseys, I don't think any of our calls in the first series would ever be affected before we realized the switch had happened.
We used to have a coach in our region that would switch jerseys, but everyone knew it would happen at some point. The thing he would do was switch an OL's jersey usually to be an eligible number and use him as an HB/FB/TE and it was usually when he had a D1 type OL.
Thing is it never really affected us b/c that guy was usually a key to where the ball was going anyway, I.E. zone or power to him, counter/pulling away. So from the box the only thing I would have to change was instead saying, "68 is strong/right/etc..." is say "88 is strong/right/etc.."
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Post by silkyice on Nov 4, 2022 9:24:08 GMT -6
A huge amount of our game plan is the other players instead of the schemes. We are 4A but only have roughly 190 in the high school.
The amount of D1 players we play is staggering. For instance, in 4 straight weeks, we played a kid going to Memphis. A kid committed to BAMA at RB. (Just imagine how good that dude is). His back up is a dude. They have 4 other d1 players. The next week 3 d1 players. One to Kentucky. The next week, HA, I literally am not sure I can count all their d1 players. I think I will miss some. But it is 10. Their RB is going to Auburn but GEORGIA is just about to flip him. The junior QB is even better. Then the next week we played maybe the best athlete we have played and he was a QB. Oh, week 1, we played the number 1 QB in the state. Penn State commit but all the SEC schools are after him.
Remember, we don't have 2000 kids, we have 190 in the school. We HAVE to game plan around the other teams athletes.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 4, 2022 10:22:46 GMT -6
A huge amount of our game plan is the other players instead of the schemes. We are 4A but only have roughly 190 in the high school. The amount of D1 players we play is staggering. For instance, in 4 straight weeks, we played a kid going to Memphis. A kid committed to BAMA at RB. (Just imagine how good that dude is). His back up is a dude. They have 4 other d1 players. The next week 3 d1 players. One to Kentucky. The next week, HA, I literally am not sure I can count all their d1 players. I think I will miss some. But it is 10. Their RB is going to Auburn but GEORGIA is just about to flip him. The junior QB is even better. Then the next week we played maybe the best athlete we have played and he was a QB. Oh, week 1, we played the number 1 QB in the state. Penn State commit but all the SEC schools are after him. Remember, we don't have 2000 kids, we have 190 in the school. We HAVE to game plan around the other teams athletes. Forgive if I'm seeming obtuse, but what do you tell your kids? To just watch and follow those kids around? This idea of not stopping plays or recognizing tendencies based on formation, but instead, "we gotta stop #6" is completely foreign to me. For me, and every program I worked for, we would identify who their talent was, but then we'd see what their favorite plays to use that talent was. We'd then try to find a way to stop that set of plays. In fact, we'd usually say- this is their most dangerous play to us, how do we stop it and then we'd work our way down the list. It wouldn't change if he was a different number. On a week by week basis, I couldn't tell you the name, let alone the number, of what kid was going to be their stud. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 4, 2022 10:29:03 GMT -6
A huge amount of our game plan is the other players instead of the schemes. We are 4A but only have roughly 190 in the high school. The amount of D1 players we play is staggering. For instance, in 4 straight weeks, we played a kid going to Memphis. A kid committed to BAMA at RB. (Just imagine how good that dude is). His back up is a dude. They have 4 other d1 players. The next week 3 d1 players. One to Kentucky. The next week, HA, I literally am not sure I can count all their d1 players. I think I will miss some. But it is 10. Their RB is going to Auburn but GEORGIA is just about to flip him. The junior QB is even better. Then the next week we played maybe the best athlete we have played and he was a QB. Oh, week 1, we played the number 1 QB in the state. Penn State commit but all the SEC schools are after him. Remember, we don't have 2000 kids, we have 190 in the school. We HAVE to game plan around the other teams athletes. Forgive if I'm seeming obtuse, but what do you tell your kids? To just watch and follow those kids around? This idea of not stopping plays or recognizing tendencies based on formation, but instead, "we gotta stop #6" is completely foreign to me. For me, and every program I worked for, we would identify who their talent was, but then we'd see what their favorite plays to use that talent was. We'd then try to find a way to stop that set of plays. In fact, we'd usually say- this is their most dangerous play to us, how do we stop it and then we'd work our way down the list. It wouldn't change if he was a different number. On a week by week basis, I couldn't tell you the name, let alone the number, of what kid was going to be their stud. When #23 aligns here we call this defense or this blitz. When #23 goes out to slot, we call this coverage. When #23 is here but #6 and #14 are here (both d1 players), we call this coverage. When #8 comes on the field, then we sub in to 12 personnel defense and here are our three calls and two blitzes we make. That is just getting started. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 4, 2022 10:29:14 GMT -6
A huge amount of our game plan is the other players instead of the schemes. We are 4A but only have roughly 190 in the high school. The amount of D1 players we play is staggering. For instance, in 4 straight weeks, we played a kid going to Memphis. A kid committed to BAMA at RB. (Just imagine how good that dude is). His back up is a dude. They have 4 other d1 players. The next week 3 d1 players. One to Kentucky. The next week, HA, I literally am not sure I can count all their d1 players. I think I will miss some. But it is 10. Their RB is going to Auburn but GEORGIA is just about to flip him. The junior QB is even better. Then the next week we played maybe the best athlete we have played and he was a QB. Oh, week 1, we played the number 1 QB in the state. Penn State commit but all the SEC schools are after him. Remember, we don't have 2000 kids, we have 190 in the school. We HAVE to game plan around the other teams athletes. Forgive if I'm seeming obtuse, but what do you tell your kids? To just watch and follow those kids around? This idea of not stopping plays or recognizing tendencies based on formation, but instead, "we gotta stop #6" is completely foreign to me. For me, and every program I worked for, we would identify who their talent was, but then we'd see what their favorite plays to use that talent was. We'd then try to find a way to stop that set of plays. In fact, we'd usually say- this is their most dangerous play to us, how do we stop it and then we'd work our way down the list. It wouldn't change if he was a different number. On a week by week basis, I couldn't tell you the name, let alone the number, of what kid was going to be their stud. When #23 aligns here we call this defense or this blitz. When #23 goes out to slot, we call this coverage. When #23 is here but #6 and #14 are here (both d1 players), we call this coverage. When #8 comes on the field, then we sub in to 12 personnel defense and here are our three calls and two blitzes we make. That is just getting started. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 4, 2022 12:30:25 GMT -6
We game plan as much as possible, and knowing who is who is part of our defensive strategy. If there is a particularly good player (RB, WR, OL, TE or QB) we point that out. We will even designate that kid in the show/scout team and try to match that player's aptitude with our own if we can (speed, size, etc...). And if there is a particular player that can give us fits, we will game plan for him accordingly just like anyone would. That being said if a team switched jerseys, I don't think any of our calls in the first series would ever be affected before we realized the switch had happened. We used to have a coach in our region that would switch jerseys, but everyone knew it would happen at some point. The thing he would do was switch an OL's jersey usually to be an eligible number and use him as an HB/FB/TE and it was usually when he had a D1 type OL. Thing is it never really affected us b/c that guy was usually a key to where the ball was going anyway, I.E. zone or power to him, counter/pulling away. So from the box the only thing I would have to change was instead saying, "68 is strong/right/etc..." is say "88 is strong/right/etc.." And he would often have on his OL number during warm ups, and then go back into the locker to 'run down the hill' with another jersey on. |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 6, 2022 11:52:36 GMT -6
We have eligibility lists. I don't think jersey numbers are included. That said as an assistant I avoid any administrative off-the-field stuff unless my boss assigns me some, which he's never done. So, maybe it includes #s but I don't think that a jersey # requires any official action. Any way you could find out? I would actually be shocked if you don't have to have official rosters with numbers. But I could be wrong. We submitted forms to the state with all their information but have never been asked for numbers. We would get some real crap from other schools when they sent their rosters with like just names nothing else. We've also been in situations where numbers have changed mid game for a TE going to OT or a OG going to FB, jerseys getting ruined or cut off etc. Numbers can be very fluid during a season we have never had to declare a kids number officially at any time |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 6, 2022 11:55:14 GMT -6
And really if you are that concerned about a number and IDing a player we always looked at cleats, gloves, helmet, swag all that crap since that rarely if ever changes on a kid. We've had bad film where it was like "Wait that's not the same kid this kid has white cleats and the other kid had black" or "he was wearing a sleeve and this dude aint" etc...
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Post by bartimus58 on Dec 2, 2022 23:17:18 GMT -6
A couple of years ago my star RB went down at the end of our game. The next week I put his younger brother in his uniform (They had the same build and running style). The next week’s coach sees him during warmups, thinks it’s the star player, B lines it to his DC to talk game plan. Younger brother was a Frosh and never saw the field, but it made the other coach nervous for a few minutes. The other coach was my HS coach.
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Post by bluboy on Dec 3, 2022 7:20:26 GMT -6
"...looked at cleats, gloves, helmet, swag all that crap since that rarely if ever changes on a kid." We do the same since a lot of kids seem to wear something that sets them apart (fluorescent gloves, lime green cleats, etc).
One year we had a special defensive call, based on a player, vs an opponent. During warm-up's we can't find that kid (by number) then realize he's wearing a different number. So we make sure that everyone knows the "new" number. We come out to start the game, and the kid is wearing his original number. We re-scramble so everyone gets the change back to original plan. After the game we find out that kid misplaced his jersey (I think left it on bus); they weren't trying to trick us.
Sometimes the number we're looking for doesn't play because he's injured or suspended.
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Post by coachlit on Dec 3, 2022 11:15:59 GMT -6
I coached in Virginia and never even heard of a rule like that. Y'all don't have to have official rosters? Not even for eligibility? We have to even include class, height, and weight. Eligibility here in VA only consists of classes passed and some districts like mine have a GPA requirement on top of that. There’s no hard set rule, but all teams have complete rosters. Some teams don’t include height/weight or class. |
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Post by coachdmyers on Dec 6, 2022 12:26:24 GMT -6
We had our tackle change to an eligible number mid game (literally in the middle of a drive) to run a trick play. Is that frowned upon?
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