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Post by silkyice on Sept 7, 2022 13:00:32 GMT -6
Glad someone restarted this thread.
You want to know where some bad fundamentals were played last week? Right on the field I was coaching. Ha. We won 34-0 and were up 31-0 at half. But on offense, we really were awful fundamentally. I was truly embarrassed watching the film. Splits were bad, bad first steps, awful pad level, terrible fakes, we were leaning (called once and should/could have been called seven times). Those are all things that we control. So you can win, and win big with bad fundamentals when you play a bad team.
Pointed all this out in film on Saturday and got it all corrected on Monday. After this Friday, we play #1, #5, and #2 in three straight weeks. We play like we did last Friday and we will literally get shut out in all three games. Still might, but dang it, we hopefully won't ever look like we did Friday again.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 7, 2022 17:46:47 GMT -6
I can't believe no one has brought up the LSU extra point. That was unbelievable at that level.
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Post by blb on Sept 8, 2022 4:42:26 GMT -6
I can't believe no one has brought up the LSU extra point. That was unbelievable at that level. Especially since they had a FG blocked from the same side in 1st Half. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 8, 2022 6:35:37 GMT -6
I can't believe no one has brought up the LSU extra point. That was unbelievable at that level. Especially since they had a FG blocked from the same side in 1st Half. I will say, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving coach than Brian Kelly. |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 8, 2022 7:00:39 GMT -6
Especially since they had a FG blocked from the same side in 1st Half. I will say, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving coach than Brian Kelly. Fammmmm-a-leeeeeee |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 8, 2022 7:02:44 GMT -6
I will say, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving coach than Brian Kelly. Fammmmm-a-leeeeeee And that stupidity is just comical. The guy is a Grade A asshat. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 8, 2022 8:36:06 GMT -6
Especially since they had a FG blocked from the same side in 1st Half. I will say, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving coach than Brian Kelly. Depending on how this season goes, he might have the shortest tenure for a big name coach at a big name program. LSU's next coach needs to be a rising star in the CFB world, not a retread or mixed bag coach. They have not had a truly elite coach since Saban. |
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Post by blb on Sept 8, 2022 8:59:22 GMT -6
I will say, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving coach than Brian Kelly. Depending on how this season goes, he might have the shortest tenure for a big name coach at a big name program. LSU's next coach needs to be a rising star in the CFB world, not a retread or mixed bag coach. They have not had a truly elite coach since Saban. Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." |
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2022 9:29:37 GMT -6
Depending on how this season goes, he might have the shortest tenure for a big name coach at a big name program. LSU's next coach needs to be a rising star in the CFB world, not a retread or mixed bag coach. They have not had a truly elite coach since Saban. Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." Couldn't care less about Kelly but if we're talking "elite" coaches a quick reminder that in Saban's first year at Alabama they finished 7-6 and one of their losses was to Louisiana-Monroe. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 8, 2022 9:57:09 GMT -6
Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." Couldn't care less about Kelly but if we're talking "elite" coaches a quick reminder that in Saban's first year at Alabama they finished 7-6 and one of their losses was to Louisiana-Monroe. And then the next year were in the SEC championship game, followed by a national title 2 years later 😄 Looking into the future today, I kinda doubt that will be the case with Kelly. Saban at Bama OTOH I think most people knew it wouldnt take long for them to be at the top. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 8, 2022 9:59:35 GMT -6
Depending on how this season goes, he might have the shortest tenure for a big name coach at a big name program. LSU's next coach needs to be a rising star in the CFB world, not a retread or mixed bag coach. They have not had a truly elite coach since Saban. Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. |
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Post by blb on Sept 8, 2022 10:16:35 GMT -6
Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. Howard Schnellenbarger won a NC at Miami FL. He was 5-5 in one year at Oklahoma. |
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Post by blb on Sept 8, 2022 10:24:32 GMT -6
Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. Kelly took over a real mess from Orgeron. You can't seriously evaluate him on one game. For all their recent struggles Florida State is not Louisiana-Monroe. Notre Dame is not Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State. But Kelly got ND into the playoffs twice and NCC once. That's the best he could do there. Which is why he left for Baton Rouge. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 8, 2022 11:43:30 GMT -6
And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. Kelly took over a real mess from Orgeron. You can't seriously evaluate him on one game. For all their recent struggles Florida State is not Louisiana-Monroe. Notre Dame is not Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State. But Kelly got ND into the playoffs twice and NCC once. That's the best he could do there. Which is why he left for Baton Rouge. He also won 2 national titles at GVSU and had an undefeated season at Cincinatti. Say want you want about the guy but he's won big, relative to the level, everywhere he has been. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 8, 2022 11:44:28 GMT -6
I'm coaching QB's now and am the OC. I have to admit that I do a great job of coaching coverage recognition, reads, command of the offense, etc. BUT I do an absolutely TERRIBLE job of coaching fundamentals. But hey, I keep telling him to get his elbow up! SMH...
The truth of the matter is, I'm ashamed to say, that I don't know how to effectively teach QB fundamentals. I have a relatively accurate QB with a strong arm, so I let him do his thing. BUT, my lack of teaching will possibly hurt us when he misses a wide open receiver because of his poor balance and arm placement.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 8, 2022 12:07:58 GMT -6
I'm coaching QB's now and am the OC. I have to admit that I do a great job of coaching coverage recognition, reads, command of the offense, etc. BUT I do an absolutely TERRIBLE job of coaching fundamentals. But hey, I keep telling him to get his elbow up! SMH... The truth of the matter is, I'm ashamed to say, that I don't know how to effectively teach QB fundamentals. I have a relatively accurate QB with a strong arm, so I let him do his thing. BUT, my lack of teaching will possibly hurt us when he misses a wide open receiver because of his poor balance and arm placement. Darin Slack - look him up |
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Post by blb on Sept 8, 2022 12:33:19 GMT -6
Kelly took over a real mess from Orgeron. You can't seriously evaluate him on one game. For all their recent struggles Florida State is not Louisiana-Monroe. Notre Dame is not Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State. But Kelly got ND into the playoffs twice and NCC once. That's the best he could do there. Which is why he left for Baton Rouge. Oregon Kelly, as far I know is still at ucla. LSU Kelly coached at notre dame. I think you mistaked Orgeron (former LSU coach) for Oregon-UCLA Kelly (Chip). |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 8, 2022 12:53:14 GMT -6
Oregon Kelly, as far I know is still at ucla. LSU Kelly coached at notre dame. I think you mistaked Orgeron (former LSU coach) for Oregon-UCLA Kelly (Chip). I made that mistake on the first read through 😄 |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 8, 2022 15:07:44 GMT -6
Some circular logic here in defining "elite". Just call Kelly a douche if you think he's a douche, doubt many here will argue with you on that.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 8, 2022 16:13:49 GMT -6
Some circular logic here in defining "elite". Just call Kelly a douche if you think he's a douche, doubt many here will argue with you on that. I have come here to chew bubblegum and call Brian Kelly an asshat. And I am all out of bubblegum. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2022 16:40:35 GMT -6
Some circular logic here in defining "elite". Just call Kelly a douche if you think he's a douche, doubt many here will argue with you on that. Well we might not know exactly what makes a coach elite but we know one thing that doesn't: when a new coach loses his first game to a team that fans consider inferior. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 8, 2022 19:44:55 GMT -6
Kelly is the winningest football coach in Notre Dame history. To a lot of people that's "elite." And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. If national championships are the metric for "truly elite", then LSU has had several. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron Right? Miles has a better w/l record at LSU than Jimbo Fisher has. Truly elite? Guess we can throw Gene Chizik on that list too. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2022 20:08:58 GMT -6
And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. If national championships are the metric for "truly elite", then LSU has had several. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron Right? Truly elite? Refresh my memory-didn't they fire both of them? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 8, 2022 20:10:50 GMT -6
If national championships are the metric for "truly elite", then LSU has had several. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron Right? Truly elite? Refresh my memory-didn't they fire both of them? Yes..that was kind of my point. If someone is going to say that national championships are the brightline for "eliteness", well Miles, Orgeron and Gene Chizik all have those. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2022 20:30:21 GMT -6
Refresh my memory-didn't they fire both of them? Yes..that was kind of my point. If someone is going to say that national championships are the brightline for "eliteness", well Miles, Orgeron and Gene Chizik all have those. I knew that. It is funny how we complain about unrealistic expectations from fans of teams that we coach then turn around and do it for "our" college and pro teams. And, yeah, I do yell at the TV sometimes on Saturday and Sunday. During football games, not at random. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 8, 2022 20:36:48 GMT -6
And zero national titles to show for it? Haha. That's generally the metric for "truly elite" in CFB these days. Gundy has been at OK State since the end of the late cretaceous, I imagine (without checking) he's near or at the winningest coach in their program's history. I know notre dame has a richer history than Ok State, but still. If national championships are the metric for "truly elite", then LSU has had several. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron Right? Miles has a better w/l record at LSU than Jimbo Fisher has. Truly elite? Guess we can throw Gene Chizik on that list too. Gotta tip my cap and say you got me, coach 👍🏻 |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 8, 2022 20:50:08 GMT -6
If national championships are the metric for "truly elite", then LSU has had several. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron Right? Miles has a better w/l record at LSU than Jimbo Fisher has. Truly elite? Guess we can throw Gene Chizik on that list too. Gotta tip my cap and say you got me, coach 👍🏻 I wasn't trying to get anyone. I was just confused at the idea that Brian Kelly would not be considered "elite", because there is no national title- yet he is replacing a coach with a national title (whose time at the helm saw the program slide from potentially greatest team in NCAA history to solid dumpster fire)..where THAT coach also replaced a coach with an NC and dumpster fire notoriety. "Only two types of coaches...thems that been fired, and thems that gonna be fired" |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 9, 2022 10:55:59 GMT -6
I'm coaching QB's now and am the OC. I have to admit that I do a great job of coaching coverage recognition, reads, command of the offense, etc. BUT I do an absolutely TERRIBLE job of coaching fundamentals. But hey, I keep telling him to get his elbow up! SMH... The truth of the matter is, I'm ashamed to say, that I don't know how to effectively teach QB fundamentals. I have a relatively accurate QB with a strong arm, so I let him do his thing. BUT, my lack of teaching will possibly hurt us when he misses a wide open receiver because of his poor balance and arm placement. Darin Slack - look him up Yeah, I have one of his books and for the life of me, I can't understand half of it. He's definitely going to be my off-season research project though. |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 9, 2022 11:31:48 GMT -6
Darin Slack - look him up Yeah, I have one of his books and for the life of me, I can't understand half of it. He's definitely going to be my off-season research project though. Send your QB's to one of his camps and go with them. Life changing. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 9, 2022 12:24:30 GMT -6
Question, is it all R4 based or do these only focus on mechanics? I ask because I don't want to go to the R4....
Side note, I would be what Slack calls an "implicit" coach. Need to get better at my explicit teaching.
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