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Post by carookie on Jun 26, 2022 23:46:04 GMT -6
Hypothetical situation, say you have a player on your team, who in a game is trash talking the opponent while on the field. Nothing vulgar or bigoted, but insulting opposition players while playing against them. You are aware of it as are other coaches on your staff.
What, if anything, is your response and why?
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Post by dubber on Jun 27, 2022 3:31:12 GMT -6
Depends on how good the player is, and how blatant the trash talking is
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 27, 2022 5:51:11 GMT -6
Depends on how good the player is, and how blatant the trash talking is This is absolutely going to start a back and forth here, but why does the player’s ability factor in? You either have a standard of conduct for your team or you don’t. |
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Post by carookie on Jun 27, 2022 9:10:56 GMT -6
Depends on how good the player is, and how blatant the trash talking is Player ability level can vary to allow for explanation. Trash talk is not blatant, refs are not looking to penalize, but you know it is taking place. |
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Post by silkyice on Jun 27, 2022 9:43:12 GMT -6
Depends on how good the player is, and how blatant the trash talking is Player ability level can vary to allow for explanation. Trash talk is not blatant, refs are not looking to penalize, but you know it is taking place. 1) We tell him to shut up and play ball. 2) If that doesn't work, chew him out on the sideline. 3)If that doesn't work, sit him out a play or whatever you deem necessary. BUT, if refs aren't looking to penalize, that means it probably isn't really noticeable. So that probably means I am not noticing either. There is too much other stuff going on that I need and want to worry about. So if it is an actual distraction, we can go through steps 1-3. But the way you describe it, it sounds like we would just go with step 1 and play ball. |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 27, 2022 9:57:28 GMT -6
If it’s not excessively vulgar, we aren’t going to get a penalty and our kid is getting his job done then I’m going to let boys be boys.
We absolutely will not accept penalties I want to make sure that is clear. But if kids talk a little we aren’t going to stress a ton about it.
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Post by jg78 on Jun 27, 2022 17:47:55 GMT -6
Depends a little on the kid and circumstances.
Let’s say we’re playing a team with a hyped RB (#22) and we have a tough, edgy MLB who’s intense but isn’t a dumba$$. First play of the game they run a toss sweep to our bench. MLB makes the play with a hard hit for no gain and gets up saying, “It’s going to be a long night for you, #22,” and jogs back to the huddle.
I would let that go. If it were “It’s going to be a long night for you, b!tch,” I would absolutely handle it.
Clean trash here and there I’m *probably* not saying anything. Anything continuous or profane (penalty or not) would be cut off.
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Post by tog on Jun 27, 2022 18:15:53 GMT -6
go sit down
period
level of player doesn't matter
coach with integrity above all else
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 27, 2022 18:17:50 GMT -6
coach with integrity above all else I hope you never ran any third-level RPOs with a pulling G 😄😄😄 (i joke i joke, i promise; i guess that's my trashtalk for this thread haha) |
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Post by chi5hi on Jun 27, 2022 23:58:05 GMT -6
My last trash talker to the opponent:
"You guys having a team meeting on Monday or are you turning in your gear right after the game?"
I chuckled...and let it go.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jun 28, 2022 7:46:45 GMT -6
I tend to nip any trash talking in the butt immediately, but the reality is it's going to happen whether I want it to or not. Now I'm working on identifying "problematic" trash talking and focusing on that, whether it might cause a penalty, or hint at more sinister biases or mindsets. As a huge soccer fan, I absolutely respect and love "clever" banter...trash talking where there's no problematic language or words, but still deliver a sick burn or something like that. The problem is most teams only have one or two players who are capable of doing this: Trash talking, but knowing what the parameters are AND utilizing what they can say to the fullest.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 28, 2022 8:23:23 GMT -6
What is a problematic trash talk?
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Post by Defcord on Jun 28, 2022 10:17:38 GMT -6
What is a problematic trash talk? In my opinion one that distracts your kid from executing his assignment or one that gets a penalty. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 28, 2022 11:13:56 GMT -6
My favorite one was 7 or 8 years ago. Our rival school hadn't come close to beating us in over 5 years but they beat us at a summer 7 on 7 tournament. A bunch of their kids were bragging about it and telling our guys all summer/fall that we had no chance in the fall because one of our corners was "suspect".
So in the fall we are up something like 42-0 going into half and as we walk to the locker room one of our kids tells one of theirs "don't feel bad, 7 on 7 season is only a few months away."
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Post by silkyice on Jun 28, 2022 12:39:48 GMT -6
My favorite one was 7 or 8 years ago. Our rival school hadn't come close to beating us in over 5 years but they beat us at a summer 7 on 7 tournament. A bunch of their kids were bragging about it and telling our guys all summer/fall that we had no chance in the fall because one of our corners was "suspect". So in the fall we are up something like 42-0 going into half and as we walk to the locker room one of our kids tells one of theirs "don't feel bad, 7 on 7 season is only a few months away." Can't really love this anymore than I do. |
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Post by dubber on Jun 29, 2022 4:27:56 GMT -6
Depends on how good the player is, and how blatant the trash talking is This is absolutely going to start a back and forth here, but why does the player’s ability factor in? You either have a standard of conduct for your team or you don’t. That is an either/or logical fallacy. 100% or 0% presented as the only options, when in fact there are good reasons to have 95% consistency and 5% you handle case by case. Level of talent comes into play because for average football players, I’ve found trash talking distracts them from their assignment…….had the occasional case where for our best dudes, it actually increased focus due to their competitive nature. Here’s the bottom line for me: it is not encouraged, but as long as it is not noticeable nor distracting, it is not a hill I’m going to die on. |
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Post by silkyice on Jun 29, 2022 7:38:02 GMT -6
This is absolutely going to start a back and forth here, but why does the player’s ability factor in? You either have a standard of conduct for your team or you don’t. That is an either/or logical fallacy. 100% or 0% presented as the only options, when in fact there are good reasons to have 95% consistency and 5% you handle case by case. Level of talent comes into play because for average football players, I’ve found trash talking distracts them from their assignment…….had the occasional case where for our best dudes, it actually increased focus due to their competitive nature. Here’s the bottom line for me: it is not encouraged, but as long as it is not noticeable nor distracting, it is not a hill I’m going to die on. Agree here. I will also say that, rightly or wrongly, some players are worth a 15 yard penalty. Now don't get me wrong, we rarely get personal foul flags thrown on us. We punish the kids if they do. They know they have bear crawls coming Monday. Doesn't matter who it is. But, if some pissant looks like he might get one, he is coming out and might not go back in. The only way that kid truly affects the game is by getting a 15 yarder. But if my d1 stud looks like he might get one, we certainly will chew him, maybe even sit him a play, but ass is going back in. If he gets one, he is coming out, but probably going right back in. Either way, both will get the same "punishment" or "discipline" with the bear crawls the next week. |
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Post by CS on Jun 29, 2022 9:28:30 GMT -6
That is an either/or logical fallacy. 100% or 0% presented as the only options, when in fact there are good reasons to have 95% consistency and 5% you handle case by case. Level of talent comes into play because for average football players, I’ve found trash talking distracts them from their assignment…….had the occasional case where for our best dudes, it actually increased focus due to their competitive nature. Here’s the bottom line for me: it is not encouraged, but as long as it is not noticeable nor distracting, it is not a hill I’m going to die on. Agree here. I will also say that, rightly or wrongly, some players are worth a 15 yard penalty. Now don't get me wrong, we rarely get personal foul flags thrown on us. We punish the kids if they do. They know they have bear crawls coming Monday. Doesn't matter who it is. But, if some pissant looks like he might get one, he is coming out and might not go back in. The only way that kid truly affects the game is by getting a 15 yarder. But if my d1 stud looks like he might get one, we certainly will chew him, maybe even sit him a play, but ass is going back in. If he gets one, he is coming out, but probably going right back in. Either way, both will get the same "punishment" or "discipline" with the bear crawls the next week. I’m glad someone said it before me. Of course dudes get away with more than booger eaters. The “punishment” on Monday is the same but if the kid helps us win it takes more to get him off the field than some kid who is just filling a spot out there. Life isn’t black and white. Why should our teams be ran like it is? |
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Jun 29, 2022 20:35:51 GMT -6
I was told this past year by an opposing player to stop even trying to coach my DB because he couldn’t ***** guard him
Off topic but funny story (he had one big catch but nothing otherwise, and wasn’t on that DB)
On topic: I ain’t gonna encourage it but if the kid is doing it and it’s not getting us a penalty, Then we likely aren’t gonna notice it
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Post by pitt1980 on Jun 30, 2022 12:39:24 GMT -6
When player trash talks, its a fairly marvelous motivational opportunity.
There are two main principles at play here.
1) If you're wearing the uniform, you're representing all of us, and everyone in the larger community we're part of, don't make us look bad.
2) If you're talking a big game, but can't back it up, you look ridiculous, and you make the rest of us look ridiculous.
There a certain line over which you've crossed #1 regardless of your ability to back it, "vulgar or bigoted", is a reasonable summary of it, you don't get to represent us anymore
For stuff that's not over that line, if I notice it, I want to hold you to your big talk, I'm going to point it out that you were talking big and then didn't back it up if that's the case ... no one wants to look ridiculous.
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Post by blb on Jun 30, 2022 13:45:38 GMT -6
Why would "trash talking" ever be okay in HS football, an educational activity that is supposed to be teaching Sportsmanship?
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