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Post by coachplaa on Jun 15, 2022 14:51:57 GMT -6
So like many schools, the helmet shortage is affecting us. We will be about 30 helmets short at the start of camp. We've been told that Riddell is scheduled to ship our helmets in August but our first scrimmage is August 12th. We have a rule in CA that kids must have 10-14 days in pads before they can hit another opponent. So......we are thinking of sharing helmets for practice. But we are looking for creative ideas to get this done. Nothing sounds grosser than sharing a sweaty helmet in a post-covid era, so I'm looking for ideas.
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Post by bigmoot2 on Jun 15, 2022 16:54:02 GMT -6
So like many schools, the helmet shortage is affecting us. We will be about 30 helmets short at the start of camp. We've been told that Riddell is scheduled to ship our helmets in August but our first scrimmage is August 12th. We have a rule in CA that kids must have 10-14 days in pads before they can hit another opponent. So......we are thinking of sharing helmets for practice. But we are looking for creative ideas to get this done. Nothing sounds grosser than sharing a sweaty helmet in a post-covid era, so I'm looking for ideas. Please make sure each guy has a helmet buddy...or 2. You dont want Jimmy just grabbing one for Joe because its convenient. I know you know this...just saying. We always lined up Varsity by postion at mid field and had them find a JV guy with a helmet that fit. GReat for games when the #1 RB helmet breaks on the game winning drive. Could you also do a Varsity practice..then a JV practice until the helmets come in.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2022 6:11:10 GMT -6
Shaved heads. Spray paint. Stickers.
You're welcome.
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Post by doubletight305 on Jun 19, 2022 11:28:12 GMT -6
We are facing this problem now. Our county won't allow kids sharing helmets so for the first time ever we will hold tryouts. Currently have 130 kids in the program and we will need to cut down to 90. So the plan is to hold a combine-style tryout two weeks before the start of camp and pick the best 90 kids for varsity/JV. Thinking of having a weight room/conditioning group that doesnt get equipment but continues to work. Not happy with this situation one bit.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 11:51:15 GMT -6
So like many schools, the helmet shortage is affecting us. We will be about 30 helmets short at the start of camp. We've been told that Riddell is scheduled to ship our helmets in August but our first scrimmage is August 12th. We have a rule in CA that kids must have 10-14 days in pads before they can hit another opponent. So......we are thinking of sharing helmets for practice. But we are looking for creative ideas to get this done. Nothing sounds grosser than sharing a sweaty helmet in a post-covid era, so I'm looking for ideas. Please make sure each guy has a helmet buddy...or 2. You dont want Jimmy just grabbing one for Joe because its convenient. I know you know this...just saying. We always lined up Varsity by postion at mid field and had them find a JV guy with a helmet that fit. GReat for games when the #1 RB helmet breaks on the game winning drive. Could you also do a Varsity practice..then a JV practice until the helmets come in. Not a lawyer, but I wonder what (if any) liability would exist if someone was injured wearing "someone else's" helmet.
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Post by bigmoot2 on Jun 19, 2022 15:16:35 GMT -6
Please make sure each guy has a helmet buddy...or 2. You dont want Jimmy just grabbing one for Joe because its convenient. I know you know this...just saying. We always lined up Varsity by postion at mid field and had them find a JV guy with a helmet that fit. GReat for games when the #1 RB helmet breaks on the game winning drive. Could you also do a Varsity practice..then a JV practice until the helmets come in. Not a lawyer, but I wonder what (if any) liability would exist if someone was injured wearing "someone else's" helmet. After they found a teammate whose helmet fit, coaches would verify if t was a good fit
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 15:40:54 GMT -6
Not a lawyer, but I wonder what (if any) liability would exist if someone was injured wearing "someone else's" helmet. After they found a teammate whose helmet fit, coaches would verify if t was a good fit . I understand the concept- but given the NFL has had a “one helmet rule” thr last several seasons, I could definitely see lawyers using that as a litigious point
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2022 15:52:01 GMT -6
After they found a teammate whose helmet fit, coaches would verify if t was a good fit . I understand the concept- but given the NFL has had a “one helmet rule” thr last several seasons, I could definitely see lawyers using that as a litigious point FWIW NFL is apparently doing away with that rule this season.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 16:57:53 GMT -6
. I understand the concept- but given the NFL has had a “one helmet rule” thr last several seasons, I could definitely see lawyers using that as a litigious point FWIW NFL is apparently doing away with that rule this season. Yes...so they can sell more throwback uniform combos. I am sure they will say there was no data showing the rule was providing any additional protection. They may be correct. I was just pointing out that when the worst case scenarios happen, plaintiff's lawyers are happy to find any angle to attack.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2022 17:17:33 GMT -6
Thinking of having a weight room/conditioning group that doesnt get equipment but continues to work How many of those kids do you expect to stick around?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 17:19:37 GMT -6
Thinking of having a weight room/conditioning group that doesnt get equipment but continues to work How many of those kids do you expect to stick around? If they don't, he is no worse off. His issue is too many kids, not enough equipment.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2022 17:41:34 GMT -6
FWIW NFL is apparently doing away with that rule this season. Yes...so they can sell more throwback uniform combos. I am sure they will say there was no data showing the rule was providing any additional protection. They may be correct. I was just pointing out that when the worst case scenarios happen, plaintiff's lawyers are happy to find any angle to attack. True, and true.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2022 17:42:08 GMT -6
How many of those kids do you expect to stick around? If they don't, he is no worse off. His issue is too many kids, not enough equipment. Too many kids is not an issue. Just not enough helmets.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2022 17:46:59 GMT -6
How many of those kids do you expect to stick around? If they don't, he is no worse off. His issue is too many kids, not enough equipment. Then, just cut them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 19:05:37 GMT -6
If they don't, he is no worse off. His issue is too many kids, not enough equipment. Then, just cut them. Why? If he can have a group of kids who are bettering themselves physically how is that an issue? More work for their staff- sure. But if they are willing, there seems to be no harm.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 19:07:54 GMT -6
If they don't, he is no worse off. His issue is too many kids, not enough equipment. Too many kids is not an issue. Just not enough helmets. . Yes- The syntax of my post may have not been as clear. I was saying that his issue was that he has too many kids for the amount of helmets he has.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2022 19:40:58 GMT -6
Why? If he can have a group of kids who are bettering themselves physically how is that an issue? More work for their staff- sure. But if they are willing, there seems to be no harm. Besides the staffing issues, there's at least a dozen ways this goes wrong. I doubt you get a dozen kids that do it that ever end up contributing to your program. The cost/benefit just doesn't add up.
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Post by fantom on Jun 19, 2022 19:45:14 GMT -6
Why? If he can have a group of kids who are bettering themselves physically how is that an issue? More work for their staff- sure. But if they are willing, there seems to be no harm. Besides the staffing issues, there's at least a dozen ways this goes wrong. I doubt you get a dozen kids that do it that ever end up contributing to your program. The cost/benefit just doesn't add up. Never been part of a program who could afford to throw a dozen kids away.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 19:49:22 GMT -6
Why? If he can have a group of kids who are bettering themselves physically how is that an issue? More work for their staff- sure. But if they are willing, there seems to be no harm. Besides the staffing issues, there's at least a dozen ways this goes wrong. I doubt you get a dozen kids that do it that ever end up contributing to your program. The cost/benefit just doesn't add up. Much better to just shave hair, paint heads and put decals on the scalp. Much more useful suggestion. Again, if the guy has the energy and capability to implement it, much like a college walk on type program, why not?
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2022 19:59:04 GMT -6
Besides the staffing issues, there's at least a dozen ways this goes wrong. I doubt you get a dozen kids that do it that ever end up contributing to your program. The cost/benefit just doesn't add up. Never been part of a program who could afford to throw a dozen kids away. Neither have I. I've also never been anywhere where a So or Jr who wasn't in the top 66% of players turned that around in a year or two of lifting and running. I used a dozen as an extremely generous number. I sincerely doubt you get 1.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2022 20:00:59 GMT -6
Besides the staffing issues, there's at least a dozen ways this goes wrong. I doubt you get a dozen kids that do it that ever end up contributing to your program. The cost/benefit just doesn't add up. Much better to just shave hair, paint heads and put decals on the scalp. Much more useful suggestion. Again, if the guy has the energy and capability to implement it, much like a college walk on type program, why not? Well, that was a joke, but you do you boo. I don't really care what he does. But, I'm willing to bet it goes more down my road than it does yours.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2022 20:59:05 GMT -6
Much better to just shave hair, paint heads and put decals on the scalp. Much more useful suggestion. Again, if the guy has the energy and capability to implement it, much like a college walk on type program, why not? Well, that was a joke, No Sh!t. Glad you explained that the useless comment was a joke, I am certain people here thought it was a genuine suggestion I don't have a road. Just not sure why just cutting kids due to lack of helmets is vastly superior than trying something else to keep them engaged. Clearly if the coach had the helmets, he would keep them on the team. But he doesn't at the moment. So why is trying to keep them around such a potential landmine?
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 19, 2022 21:09:01 GMT -6
Not necessarily apples to apples, but I played on a freshman team with 70+ kids. On far away road trips where we could only get one bus we had a travel team, so 20ish kids got left behind. By the time that class was seniors there were multiple starters that hadn't made the travel team as freshman.
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Post by doubletight305 on Jun 20, 2022 5:22:44 GMT -6
Not necessarily apples to apples, but I played on a freshman team with 70+ kids. On far away road trips where we could only get one bus we had a travel team, so 20ish kids got left behind. By the time that class was seniors there were multiple starters that hadn't made the travel team as freshman. This is a huge reason why we want to keep kids around - we always have a couple of late bloomers. But there are other practical reasons to having those kids stay around and workout. First off, we have the staff to do it, we are lucky enough to have a dedicated S/C coach on staff that will happily work with those kids while everyone else is outside - I know this is not everyone's reality. Secondly, kids quit all the time, and unfortunely season ending injuries happen - if you keep those kids around then you transition those kids to the field as helmets become available. Lastly, keeping those kids involved will keep them from withdrawing and going to another school. We are a public magnet school in a very urban area where kids can choose whatever school they wish to enroll in; just in a 3 mile radius of us must be something like 8 high schools. Every kid in our building means more state funding and more teaching positions. Our football program is a big selling point to choosing and enrolling at our school, there will be kids cut that are solely attending our school to be a part of the football program. No principal will be happy to see his enrollment go down due to cuts - if possible we would buy an additional 50-60 helmets to accomodate every kid (and hire additional coaching staff as well). Once again, that last reason may not apply to everyones situation, but I think its safe to say that by rule of thumb you want as many people invested and engaged in your program as you can get.
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Post by M4 on Jun 20, 2022 7:48:07 GMT -6
Why? If he can have a group of kids who are bettering themselves physically how is that an issue? More work for their staff- sure. But if they are willing, there seems to be no harm. Besides the staffing issues, there's at least a dozen ways this goes wrong. I doubt you get a dozen kids that do it that ever end up contributing to your program. The cost/benefit just doesn't add up. Just cause it doesn't work for you doesn't mean others can't make it work. Don't hate man.
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Post by kylem56 on Jun 21, 2022 22:03:50 GMT -6
Reach out to your local colleges, see if they have some you could PAY FOR to rent from them. Especially D3 schools will always have extra helmets due to attrition. That could at least get you through until your helmets come through. If I knew all the know-with-alls, I would get into the helmet reconditioning business because those I know who are operating independently are making a killing
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