|
|
DIII
Apr 22, 2022 8:34:12 GMT -6
Post by bulldogsdc on Apr 22, 2022 8:34:12 GMT -6
Cool. Thank you guys for the discussion.
|
|
|
|
Post by irishdog on Apr 27, 2022 14:00:19 GMT -6
Name names... it is either legal or it isn't lol. People are kidding themselves if they think there are only 4 levels of NCAA football (FBS, FCS, D2, D3). There are multiple levels of investment in each of those classifications. I think it’s pretty easy to figure it out from what I said. I’ll give another hint: one is in Ohio and one is in Texas. You’re spot on though with the multiple levels of investment. Even at the FCS and D2 level, not every school gets all the scholarships the NCAA allows because their programs aren’t fully funded. That one in Texas has football facilities that many FCS and most D2 schools would kill for. They get a bunch of Texas kids capable of playing FCS or D2, and bring in a bunch of bounce backs. It isn't as hard to get into as other private D3 schools in the state, isn't quite as expensive as the other private D3's, and they put together pretty decent FA packages. Frankly, it won't surprise me to see the portal eventually become a factor in bringing in D1 talent. The school is extremely supportive of the athletic program, in particular football. |
|
|
|
DIII
Apr 27, 2022 14:15:18 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Apr 27, 2022 14:15:18 GMT -6
I think it’s pretty easy to figure it out from what I said. I’ll give another hint: one is in Ohio and one is in Texas. You’re spot on though with the multiple levels of investment. Even at the FCS and D2 level, not every school gets all the scholarships the NCAA allows because their programs aren’t fully funded. That one in Texas has football facilities that many FCS and most D2 schools would kill for. They get a bunch of Texas kids capable of playing FCS or D2, and bring in a bunch of bounce backs. It isn't as hard to get into as other private D3 schools in the state, isn't quite as expensive as the other private D3's, and they put together pretty decent FA packages. Frankly, it won't surprise me to see the portal eventually become a factor in bringing in D1 talent. The school is extremely supportive of the athletic program, in particular football. I don't think you're right about the portal. I think the portal will really hurt lower level schools since kids don't need to "transfer down" to be eligible. |
|
|
|
DIII
Apr 28, 2022 9:55:59 GMT -6
Post by hornetfan63 on Apr 28, 2022 9:55:59 GMT -6
I think it’s pretty easy to figure it out from what I said. I’ll give another hint: one is in Ohio and one is in Texas. You’re spot on though with the multiple levels of investment. Even at the FCS and D2 level, not every school gets all the scholarships the NCAA allows because their programs aren’t fully funded. That one in Texas has football facilities that many FCS and most D2 schools would kill for. They get a bunch of Texas kids capable of playing FCS or D2, and bring in a bunch of bounce backs. It isn't as hard to get into as other private D3 schools in the state, isn't quite as expensive as the other private D3's, and they put together pretty decent FA packages. Frankly, it won't surprise me to see the portal eventually become a factor in bringing in D1 talent. The school is extremely supportive of the athletic program, in particular football. Why not just come out and name them UMHB has wonderful facilities. |
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Apr 28, 2022 10:26:24 GMT -6
That one in Texas has football facilities that many FCS and most D2 schools would kill for. They get a bunch of Texas kids capable of playing FCS or D2, and bring in a bunch of bounce backs. It isn't as hard to get into as other private D3 schools in the state, isn't quite as expensive as the other private D3's, and they put together pretty decent FA packages. Frankly, it won't surprise me to see the portal eventually become a factor in bringing in D1 talent. The school is extremely supportive of the athletic program, in particular football. Why not just come out and name them UMHB has wonderful facilities. Hmm, I wonder who the D3 power in Ohio could possibly be. |
|
|
|
DIII
May 6, 2022 11:17:46 GMT -6
Post by theyoungballcoach on May 6, 2022 11:17:46 GMT -6
What D3 schools can offer, besides money, is an Acceptance letter. Many of the student-athletes at these schools are just below (some may be well below) the schools normal academic standards. They would not have gotten into that school except for the fact that their application was "supported" by the football coach.
|
|
|
|
Post by jstoss24 on May 6, 2022 11:47:57 GMT -6
What D3 schools can offer, besides money, is an Acceptance letter. Many of the student-athletes at these schools are just below (some may be well below) the schools normal academic standards. They would not have gotten into that school except for the fact that their application was "supported" by the football coach. ”Congratulations, you’ve been accepted into [insert school name here]. We know you had a 2.0 GPA in high school, but we’re sure you’ll be able to improve on that and graduate from our high academic institution. By the way, your $30,000 tuition check is due to us on August 1st. We can’t wait to have you join the family!” |
|
|
|
DIII
May 6, 2022 17:37:36 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2022 17:37:36 GMT -6
What D3 schools can offer, besides money, is an Acceptance letter. Many of the student-athletes at these schools are just below (some may be well below) the schools normal academic standards. They would not have gotten into that school except for the fact that their application was "supported" by the football coach. ”Congratulations, you’ve been accepted into [insert school name here]. We know you had a 2.0 GPA in high school, but we’re sure you’ll be able to improve on that and graduate from our high academic institution. By the way, your $30,000 tuition check is due to us on August 1st. We can’t wait to have you join the family!” Agreed. DIII schools that are academically elite are probably not really hunting for (or targeted by) those type of students. |
|
|
|
DIII
May 7, 2022 11:40:26 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by theyoungballcoach on May 7, 2022 11:40:26 GMT -6
”Congratulations, you’ve been accepted into [insert school name here]. We know you had a 2.0 GPA in high school, but we’re sure you’ll be able to improve on that and graduate from our high academic institution. By the way, your $30,000 tuition check is due to us on August 1st. We can’t wait to have you join the family!” Agreed. DIII schools that are academically elite are probably not really hunting for (or targeted by) those type of students. It’s more like, “99% of our student body had a 3.9 in HS, we’re accepting you even though you had a 3.5. Normally you’d have no chance, but you’ve been accepted. Here is a financial aid package that puts us as slightly more expensive than the D2 scholarship school you’re looking at. If you do your school work you’ll have job offers in your field before you begin your final semester of college” |
|
|
|
DIII
May 7, 2022 12:57:56 GMT -6
via mobile
19delta likes this
Post by jstoss24 on May 7, 2022 12:57:56 GMT -6
Agreed. DIII schools that are academically elite are probably not really hunting for (or targeted by) those type of students. It’s more like, “99% of our student body had a 3.9 in HS, we’re accepting you even though you had a 3.5. Normally you’d have no chance, but you’ve been accepted. Here is a financial aid package that puts us as slightly more expensive than the D2 scholarship school you’re looking at. If you do your school work you’ll have job offers in your field before you begin your final semester of college” I coached at 2 of the least expensive D3 schools in the country with very low admissions requirements. You have a very idealized view of how it is at 90% of D3 schools. At most D3s, you may get accepted with a low GPA based on being a football player, but you’re getting very minimal financial aid (most of which being loans that you will have to pay back). |
|
|
|
DIII
May 7, 2022 13:08:20 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2022 13:08:20 GMT -6
Agreed. DIII schools that are academically elite are probably not really hunting for (or targeted by) those type of students. It’s more like, “99% of our student body had a 3.9 in HS, we’re accepting you even though you had a 3.5. Normally you’d have no chance, but you’ve been accepted. Here is a financial aid package that puts us as slightly more expensive than the D2 scholarship school you’re looking at. If you do your school work you’ll have job offers in your field before you begin your final semester of college” I would argue that the range of players and situations you are describing ( desire and ability to attend a NESCAC school and being a talented enough football player to move the needle) is extremely small. |
|
CoachK
Sophomore Member
Posts: 185 
|
Post by CoachK on May 15, 2022 15:21:36 GMT -6
D3 and NAIA are similar in that the program is as good as the school allows it to be.
NAIA has little-to-no central enforcement so if the school is cool with coaches giving 52 full rides a year they'll get away with it. D3 can't give athletic money but there are a whole host of other ways to get aid to kids. One school I recruited against once had a "minority" scholarship and wouldn't you know it all those kids were athletes.
Those D3s in Wisconsin are dirt cheap on top of it, that's why they're so good. Ohio I can't speak to as much but I know Mt. Union has massive rosters, two full coaching staffs, etc. Numbers game up there.
|
|
|
|
DIII
May 15, 2022 15:40:32 GMT -6
Post by fantom on May 15, 2022 15:40:32 GMT -6
D3 and NAIA are similar in that the program is as good as the school allows it to be. NAIA has little-to-no central enforcement so if the school is cool with coaches giving 52 full rides a year they'll get away with it. D3 can't give athletic money but there are a whole host of other ways to get aid to kids. One school I recruited against once had a "minority" scholarship and wouldn't you know it all those kids were athletes. Those D3s in Wisconsin are dirt cheap on top of it, that's why they're so good. Ohio I can't speak to as much but I know Mt. Union has massive rosters, two full coaching staffs, etc. Numbers game up there. It seems then that essentially, the situation is similar to private HS's. |
|
CoachK
Sophomore Member
Posts: 185
|
DIII
May 15, 2022 15:49:25 GMT -6
Post by CoachK on May 15, 2022 15:49:25 GMT -6
Some levels are better set up for parity than others.
|
|
