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Apr 12, 2022 11:24:04 GMT -6
Post by bulldogsdc on Apr 12, 2022 11:24:04 GMT -6
If I live in State A and get offered a roster spot at in State B, do I get instate tuition?
Does anyone have experience with this?
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Apr 12, 2022 12:10:26 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Apr 12, 2022 12:10:26 GMT -6
If I live in State A and get offered a roster spot at in State B, do I get instate tuition? Does anyone have experience with this? I imagine that would vary from institution to institution. Meaning, it is each institutions own decision as to what to charge as tuition/what to give as financial aid.
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Post by sweep26 on Apr 12, 2022 12:54:09 GMT -6
An interesting question...
Most DIII Colleges are Private Schools, and are not governed by State Legislatures.
However, Wisconsin has a number of DIII Colleges within their Collegiate/University System.
A simple call or email to the School that you are interested in will answer your question accurately.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Apr 12, 2022 13:02:18 GMT -6
I would say no, unless they have a "good neighbor" policy. For example Western Connecticut State University with give New York State residence in state tuition. I know there are few others that have similar agreements with neighboring states. I would think the recruiting school would make that know up front.
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Post by center on Apr 12, 2022 14:09:13 GMT -6
Private school versus public school.
A private D3 school has one tuition rate, regardless of residency. I live in Illinois. Augustana College is in Illinois and tuition rate is same for all.
Like this...
Tuition $46,039
If the D3 school is a public (or state school), like the Wisconsin league, they will have an out of state charge for tuition. Being on a sports team has no bearing on the tuition fee.
Like this...
In-state tuition 7,735 USD, Out-of-state tuition 16,607 USD
Room and board are the same for in state or out of state.
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Apr 12, 2022 14:44:11 GMT -6
Post by realdawg on Apr 12, 2022 14:44:11 GMT -6
As mentioned-it varies from school to school. Most D3 are private institutions, and are therefore very expensive. They do usually offer some kind of financial aid in attempt to make themselves somewhat affordable. We are starting to see several state institutions offer in state tuition to students from neighboring states in order to increase enrollment. That varies greatly from state to state and institution to institution.
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Apr 12, 2022 14:44:18 GMT -6
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Post by Defcord on Apr 12, 2022 14:44:18 GMT -6
An interesting question... Most DIII Colleges are Private Schools, and are not governed by State Legislatures. However, Wisconsin has a number of DIII Colleges within their Collegiate/University System. A simple call or email to the School that you are interested in will answer your question accurately. Is this part of the reason Whitewater has been able to obtain relatively high talented rosters?
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Apr 12, 2022 18:50:41 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Apr 12, 2022 18:50:41 GMT -6
An interesting question... Most DIII Colleges are Private Schools, and are not governed by State Legislatures. However, Wisconsin has a number of DIII Colleges within their Collegiate/University System. A simple call or email to the School that you are interested in will answer your question accurately. Is this part of the reason Whitewater has been able to obtain relatively high talented rosters? Yes. Absolutely.
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Apr 13, 2022 6:58:45 GMT -6
Post by bulldogsdc on Apr 13, 2022 6:58:45 GMT -6
Thanks guys. In retrospect that was a dumb question.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 13, 2022 7:04:56 GMT -6
Thanks guys. In retrospect that was a dumb question. nah. Just could have been phrased a bit better. Maybe "Does anyone have any experience with DIII schools offering instate tuition to out of state students who play football? Is that common? "
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 13, 2022 7:41:26 GMT -6
It was a good question. Sadly my favorite football documentary ever, Division 3: Football's Finest, does not address this aspect of the game.
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Apr 13, 2022 8:07:56 GMT -6
Post by bulldogsdc on Apr 13, 2022 8:07:56 GMT -6
I am interested in how dIII attract talent. How much "money" tuition/room/board could they give a player and how do they do it? A good player that they think can actually be a starter, not a roster spot guy.
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Post by center on Apr 13, 2022 9:06:24 GMT -6
D3 school are typically very good academic schools and smaller in enrollment. Kids that are attracted and recruited to D3 schools want that education and want to keep playing a sport.
And honestly they are probably not quite good enough to get a scholarship right out of high school.
But D3 sports usually do not have the time commitment that scholarship schools do. It can be a nice blend.
Division 3 sports cannot provide any athletic scholarship. All aid must be based on financial need (FAFSA), academic merit, or merit in an area like music, theatre, writing etc.
You will hear all kinds of stories that certain athletes are getting more money to attend a school but there really is not a general truth to that. A kid might receive a better financial package from one school than another but there needs to be a reason for the difference other than athletic ability.
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Apr 13, 2022 9:17:01 GMT -6
Post by bulldogsdc on Apr 13, 2022 9:17:01 GMT -6
Certainly, not a gun to anyone's head to participate and I would like to keep the conversation going...
I THINK I saw where a school could have an endowment from an Alumni that goes specifically to an athlete. Does anyone have experience with this?
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Apr 13, 2022 9:19:21 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Apr 13, 2022 9:19:21 GMT -6
D3 school are typically very good academic schools and smaller in enrollment. Kids that are attracted and recruited to D3 schools want that education and want to keep playing a sport. And honestly they are probably not quite good enough to get a scholarship right out of high school. But D3 sports usually do not have the time commitment that scholarship schools do. It can be a nice blend. Division 3 sports cannot provide any athletic scholarship. All aid must be based on financial need (FAFSA), academic merit, or merit in an area like music, theatre, writing etc. You will hear all kinds of stories that certain athletes are getting more money to attend a school but there really is not a general truth to that. A kid might receive a better financial package from one school than another but there needs to be a reason for the difference other than athletic ability. And the school's ability to find that reason may be the difference between great and average programs.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 13, 2022 12:34:00 GMT -6
It was a good question. Sadly my favorite football documentary ever, Division 3: Football's Finest, does not address this aspect of the game. I saw this post and thought, "wow this sounds really cool. I've never heard of this documentary before. I better look it up and find out." You just 3 year letterman'd me.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 13, 2022 12:40:27 GMT -6
It was a good question. Sadly my favorite football documentary ever, Division 3: Football's Finest, does not address this aspect of the game. I saw this post and thought, "wow this sounds really cool. I've never heard of this documentary before. I better look it up and find out." You just 3 year letterman'd me. LOL Let’s go! It’s a hilarious movie if you are into vulgar humor.
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Apr 19, 2022 14:04:03 GMT -6
Post by hornetfan63 on Apr 19, 2022 14:04:03 GMT -6
GETSOME
Divison III can get around a bit of the non-athletic scholarship stuff by awarding grants to certain players, or shall we say certain students who play.
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Apr 20, 2022 7:06:39 GMT -6
Post by MICoach on Apr 20, 2022 7:06:39 GMT -6
Certainly, not a gun to anyone's head to participate and I would like to keep the conversation going... I THINK I saw where a school could have an endowment from an Alumni that goes specifically to an athlete. Does anyone have experience with this? I guess theoretically it could be in the form of a specific merit scholarship i.e. goes to an athlete who exemplifies x, y, and z attributes for the school blah blah blah. I believe for it to be above water it would have to be open to any athlete in the school and externally funded...but it seems a little slippery to me
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Post by jstoss24 on Apr 20, 2022 7:26:49 GMT -6
Certainly, not a gun to anyone's head to participate and I would like to keep the conversation going... I THINK I saw where a school could have an endowment from an Alumni that goes specifically to an athlete. Does anyone have experience with this? I specifically know of at least 2 of the major D3 programs that offer "Leadership Scholarships" that are technically not athletic scholarships, but are only available to student-athletes. I'm not going to name names, but at least one of the two programs has played in every national championship except one this millennium. There is certainly a correlation.
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Post by fantom on Apr 20, 2022 10:11:36 GMT -6
Certainly, not a gun to anyone's head to participate and I would like to keep the conversation going... I THINK I saw where a school could have an endowment from an Alumni that goes specifically to an athlete. Does anyone have experience with this? I guess theoretically it could be in the form of a specific merit scholarship i.e. goes to an athlete who exemplifies x, y, and z attributes for the school blah blah blah. I believe for it to be above water it would have to be open to any athlete in the school and externally funded...but it seems a little slippery to me I have a buddy who went to an expensive private college that was a D.3 power. Toward the end of his junior he told the coach that he couldn't afford to come back for his senior year. The coach told him to come back the next day. The next day the coach had a financial aid announcement for a schollarship for student who was an Education major from (The Player's) County in (The player's) State who was planning to go into coaching. As luck would have it there was only one person in the school who fit that criteria. Where'd the money come from? Who knows?
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Apr 20, 2022 10:42:16 GMT -6
Post by center on Apr 20, 2022 10:42:16 GMT -6
I think that public state schools have a big edge in D3 sports. Especially with in state athletes.
The schools are a lot cheaper, typically bigger, and often have better athletic facilities than the average D3 liberal arts schools. Also, their entrance requirements might be a shade lower at times.
I remember attending a small, private D3 in the 80's and seeing those Wisconsin public schools and wondering when they were going to start taking over D3 sports. Lo and behold...hello Whitewater of the 2000's.
That conference is extremely successful in all sports.
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Apr 20, 2022 11:47:47 GMT -6
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Post by jstoss24 on Apr 20, 2022 11:47:47 GMT -6
I think that public state schools have a big edge in D3 sports. Especially with in state athletes. The schools are a lot cheaper, typically bigger, and often have better athletic facilities than the average D3 liberal arts schools. Also, their entrance requirements might be a shade lower at times. I remember attending a small, private D3 in the 80's and seeing those Wisconsin public schools and wondering when they were going to start taking over D3 sports. Lo and behold...hello Whitewater of the 2000's. That conference is extremely successful in all sports. They do and they don't. The ones that are well-funded and in good locations are going to be dominant. The ones that are not, are going to struggle. I coached at one of the rare public D3s and we were not well-funded and in a horrible location and it was very difficult to get and keep good players and coaches there. We were in the middle of nowhere (2 hours from the nearest Wal-Mart, 3+ hours from any major cities) and had a limited salary pool for coaches, so our coaching staff was made up of really young coaches just getting started and really old coaches who couldn't keep a job anywhere else. Even though it was the cheapest 4-year school in the state and had some pretty good academic programs, it was hard to even get recruits to visit campus. We had a minimal recruiting budget and we had to take a beating from a D2 school every year (we lost 72-0 to a team who only won one other game that year) to help fund the entire athletic department. Add in the fact that we were in one of the toughest conferences in the country and 5-5 was a great year for us. If my math is correct, there are 32 public D3 schools with football. 19 are in New England (with 4 of those being military/maritime schools), 9 are in Wisconsin, and the rest of the country combined has 4. UW-Whitewater, UW-Oshkosh, and UW-La Crosse are the only ones who have played for a national championship in the last 50 years. Obviously not the only measure of a successful program, but in all reality, all of the UW schools should be (and probably would be, if not for the politics of the UW system,) D2 based on their enrollments and funding. Many of the others may have had a solid season here and there but are typically bottom-feeders in their respective conferences. Being a public school is great if the state will provide you with lots of funding, but for most of these schools, that's not the case.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 20, 2022 17:52:59 GMT -6
Certainly, not a gun to anyone's head to participate and I would like to keep the conversation going... I THINK I saw where a school could have an endowment from an Alumni that goes specifically to an athlete. Does anyone have experience with this? I specifically know of at least 2 of the major D3 programs that offer "Leadership Scholarships" that are technically not athletic scholarships, but are only available to student-athletes. I'm not going to name names, but at least one of the two programs has played in every national championship except one this millennium. There is certainly a correlation. Name names... it is either legal or it isn't lol. People are kidding themselves if they think there are only 4 levels of NCAA football (FBS, FCS, D2, D3). There are multiple levels of investment in each of those classifications.
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Apr 20, 2022 19:13:38 GMT -6
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Post by jstoss24 on Apr 20, 2022 19:13:38 GMT -6
I specifically know of at least 2 of the major D3 programs that offer "Leadership Scholarships" that are technically not athletic scholarships, but are only available to student-athletes. I'm not going to name names, but at least one of the two programs has played in every national championship except one this millennium. There is certainly a correlation. Name names... it is either legal or it isn't lol. People are kidding themselves if they think there are only 4 levels of NCAA football (FBS, FCS, D2, D3). There are multiple levels of investment in each of those classifications. I think it’s pretty easy to figure it out from what I said. I’ll give another hint: one is in Ohio and one is in Texas. You’re spot on though with the multiple levels of investment. Even at the FCS and D2 level, not every school gets all the scholarships the NCAA allows because their programs aren’t fully funded.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 21, 2022 8:08:54 GMT -6
My kid is a sophomore at a middling D3 school. There are about 120 kids on the roster. I'm pretty certain that most of the contributors are on some kind of scholarship. There are quite a few guys on the team who will never see any significant playing time and I'm pretty sure their main role is paying full tuition. 😆
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Apr 21, 2022 8:22:28 GMT -6
Post by bulldogsdc on Apr 21, 2022 8:22:28 GMT -6
A place like Johns Hopkins... Super academic but pretty good at football. Are they figuring out a way to get kids "Leadership Grants"?
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Apr 21, 2022 12:53:33 GMT -6
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Post by jstoss24 on Apr 21, 2022 12:53:33 GMT -6
A place like Johns Hopkins... Super academic but pretty good at football. Are they figuring out a way to get kids "Leadership Grants"? At Johns Hopkins, I would probably say no, but only because they’re not a “football school.” I wouldn’t be surprised if a big chunk of their athletic budget went towards their lacrosse team being D1. That being said, if they have some football alums that are big time donors, they absolutely could.
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Post by center on Apr 21, 2022 13:09:50 GMT -6
And believe it or not there are some good football players out there that are really smart and want to go to a really good school. Regardless of the schools cost.
A former head coach at University of Chicago (an extremely good academic school with unreal alumni connections) used to tell recruits "get a degree here and you will be on full scholarship for the rest of your life."
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Apr 21, 2022 13:30:15 GMT -6
Post by jstoss24 on Apr 21, 2022 13:30:15 GMT -6
And believe it or not there are some good football players out there that are really smart and want to go to a really good school. Regardless of the schools cost. A former head coach at University of Chicago (an extremely good academic school with unreal alumni connections) used to tell recruits "get a degree here and you will be on full scholarship for the rest of your life." Not sure if that was directed at me, but I'm a huge proponent of the D3 model. Get a good education while having the opportunity to continue playing your sport. I was lucky that I coached at 2 relatively inexpensive D3 schools and at both places our recruiting pitch was "it's not a 4 year commitment, it's a 40 year commitment" because they would walk away with a fairly low amount of debt and the education and skills to be successful for the rest of their lives. You will also find that a lot of D3 schools have very strong alumni bases that can help in getting jobs after college.
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