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Post by dblwngr on Apr 8, 2022 13:18:01 GMT -6
Do to logistics and such, I have taken a job with our cross town rival and will have the same coaching position as the DC. For the most part there is excitement for a fresh start and an opportunity to coach with a couple guys I started out with 20 years ago. It's like we're get'n the old band back together for another run.
The other part of me feels dirty, putting on those school colors will be something me and my family would never have imagined! I've never had any issues when it comes to building relationships with kids but I wonder is this will be different, at least from the start?
The good news is, the rivalry will no longer be a thing due to the reclassifications in our state, thus the reason I agreed to take the position in the first place.
Any of you guys ever dealt with a move like this? Any advice on what to expect? Am I overthinking something that will be a complete non factor with the move?
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 8, 2022 13:46:51 GMT -6
Don't overthink this. You'll find that you will get relationships with the new team quite quickly, and then you just be a professional coach who will take his guys to a championship.
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Post by s73 on Apr 8, 2022 14:10:36 GMT -6
Do to logistics and such, I have taken a job with our cross town rival and will have the same coaching position as the DC. For the most part there is excitement for a fresh start and an opportunity to coach with a couple guys I started out with 20 years ago. It's like we're get'n the old band back together for another run. The other part of me feels dirty, putting on those school colors will be something me and my family would never have imagined! I've never had any issues when it comes to building relationships with kids but I wonder is this will be different, at least from the start? The good news is, the rivalry will no longer be a thing due to the reclassifications in our state, thus the reason I agreed to take the position in the first place. Any of you guys ever dealt with a move like this? Any advice on what to expect? Am I overthinking something that will be a complete non factor with the move? Completely overthinking. With all due respect, kids will forget about it much faster than you will. We're all egocentric and get embroiled with what's going on in our own lives but none faster than a teenage boy. JMO.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 8, 2022 14:20:44 GMT -6
it's just like the kid you hate in hs and you see him in college and he is the same kid as you are...maybe better
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2022 14:28:09 GMT -6
Do to logistics and such, I have taken a job with our cross town rival and will have the same coaching position as the DC. For the most part there is excitement for a fresh start and an opportunity to coach with a couple guys I started out with 20 years ago. It's like we're get'n the old band back together for another run. The other part of me feels dirty, putting on those school colors will be something me and my family would never have imagined! I've never had any issues when it comes to building relationships with kids but I wonder is this will be different, at least from the start? The good news is, the rivalry will no longer be a thing due to the reclassifications in our state, thus the reason I agreed to take the position in the first place. Any of you guys ever dealt with a move like this? Any advice on what to expect? Am I overthinking something that will be a complete non factor with the move? Completely overthinking. With all due respect, kids will forget about it much faster than you will. We're all egocentric and get embroiled with what's going on in our own lives but none faster than a teenage boy. JMO. Agreed. In 2-3 years, most people at the former HS won't remember you worked there.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Apr 8, 2022 15:11:31 GMT -6
I have great experience in this situation.
I played at one school. Coached that schools MS team for 2 years. New HS staff. Nobody I was familiar with. I wanted to coach high school ball, they wanted me at the MS level. A former assistant coach of mine and I had connected on this forum actually and he got the job at his Alma mater, my high schools rival.
I have lost relationships with some people because of it. Had my in-laws house egged actually (used to live with them). Most understood I took a promotion. Some didn’t care.
My family still is in the feeder system of that school, some family have played for me here.
Some people here have been hesitant to accept me because of where I came from- and I came in guns blazing and bitter against that school. Its faded since, but I’ve contributed more to this schools football than I ever did the previous one.
Previous school offered me a position this year. Turned them down. Only way I’d make that move is for a coordinator role.
I definitely had a chip on my shoulder.
But you’ll be fine. Some people might get upset but it’s HS football ultimately.
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 8, 2022 17:03:02 GMT -6
I have great experience in this situation. I played at one school. Coached that schools MS team for 2 years. New HS staff. Nobody I was familiar with. I wanted to coach high school ball, they wanted me at the MS level. A former assistant coach of mine and I had connected on this forum actually and he got the job at his Alma mater, my high schools rival. I have lost relationships with some people because of it. Had my in-laws house egged actually (used to live with them). Most understood I took a promotion. Some didn’t care. My family still is in the feeder system of that school, some family have played for me here. Some people here have been hesitant to accept me because of where I came from- and I came in guns blazing and bitter against that school. Its faded since, but I’ve contributed more to this schools football than I ever did the previous one. Previous school offered me a position this year. Turned them down. Only way I’d make that move is for a coordinator role. I definitely had a chip on my shoulder. But you’ll be fine. Some people might get upset but it’s HS football ultimately. Egged the house over that? The fk is wrong with folks?
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2022 19:56:43 GMT -6
I went from subbing/coaching in my hometown to getting a full time teaching/coaching gig in another town in the same conference. After we played them in a JV game a kid from my hometown spit on me and called me a traitor. Dumber part? Kid didn't see time in the game.
Moral of the story? Kids are stupid.
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Post by canesfan on Apr 8, 2022 20:43:15 GMT -6
I started at our rival school. It was a good experience overall, very lucky to coach with the guys I did.
You’ll be fine.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Apr 9, 2022 0:03:41 GMT -6
I have great experience in this situation. I played at one school. Coached that schools MS team for 2 years. New HS staff. Nobody I was familiar with. I wanted to coach high school ball, they wanted me at the MS level. A former assistant coach of mine and I had connected on this forum actually and he got the job at his Alma mater, my high schools rival. I have lost relationships with some people because of it. Had my in-laws house egged actually (used to live with them). Most understood I took a promotion. Some didn’t care. My family still is in the feeder system of that school, some family have played for me here. Some people here have been hesitant to accept me because of where I came from- and I came in guns blazing and bitter against that school. Its faded since, but I’ve contributed more to this schools football than I ever did the previous one. Previous school offered me a position this year. Turned them down. Only way I’d make that move is for a coordinator role. I definitely had a chip on my shoulder. But you’ll be fine. Some people might get upset but it’s HS football ultimately. Egged the house over that? The fk is wrong with folks? I was upset at first and then I realized it was my mother-in-law’s house and got jealous of them doing it
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 9, 2022 8:22:15 GMT -6
Egged the house over that? The fk is wrong with folks? I was upset at first and then I realized it was my mother-in-law’s house and got jealous of them doing it Hahaha 😄
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 9, 2022 8:23:25 GMT -6
I went from subbing/coaching in my hometown to getting a full time teaching/coaching gig in another town in the same conference. After we played them in a JV game a kid from my hometown spit on me and called me a traitor. Dumber part? Kid didn't see time in the game. Moral of the story? Kids are stupid. When something like this happens, seems like it is always someone that doesnt start or even see time at all 😄
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 9, 2022 14:59:50 GMT -6
I went from subbing/coaching in my hometown to getting a full time teaching/coaching gig in another town in the same conference. After we played them in a JV game a kid from my hometown spit on me and called me a traitor. Dumber part? Kid didn't see time in the game. Moral of the story? Kids are stupid. When something like this happens, seems like it is always someone that doesnt start or even see time at all 😄 I think that same kid got in trouble during track season for going into the school I went to work at under the guise of needing to use the restroom and ended up taking a deuce on the mascot on the basketball court.
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 9, 2022 15:07:08 GMT -6
When something like this happens, seems like it is always someone that doesnt start or even see time at all 😄 I think that same kid got in trouble during track season for going into the school I went to work at under the guise of needing to use the restroom and ended up taking a deuce on the mascot on the basketball court. Wow. Just wow.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 9, 2022 15:17:08 GMT -6
I think that same kid got in trouble during track season for going into the school I went to work at under the guise of needing to use the restroom and ended up taking a deuce on the mascot on the basketball court. Wow. Just wow. Ya. Made me such a proud alumni.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 15:26:18 GMT -6
I have great experience in this situation. I played at one school. Coached that schools MS team for 2 years. New HS staff. Nobody I was familiar with. I wanted to coach high school ball, they wanted me at the MS level. A former assistant coach of mine and I had connected on this forum actually and he got the job at his Alma mater, my high schools rival. I have lost relationships with some people because of it. Had my in-laws house egged actually (used to live with them). Most understood I took a promotion. Some didn’t care. My family still is in the feeder system of that school, some family have played for me here. Some people here have been hesitant to accept me because of where I came from- and I came in guns blazing and bitter against that school. Its faded since, but I’ve contributed more to this schools football than I ever did the previous one. Previous school offered me a position this year. Turned them down. Only way I’d make that move is for a coordinator role. I definitely had a chip on my shoulder. But you’ll be fine. Some people might get upset but it’s HS football ultimately. Egged the house over that? The fk is wrong with folks? Some people are a little too obsessive over HS sports. I know of a coach who had people show up at his door on Saturday morning after a loss to demand he resign. He also had his house egged/TPed by students/fans and other stuff at different points over the years. That school is one of those “coach killer” jobs where nobody was ever satisfied, despite the school record being around .300 in 40 years of existence with a single playoff win, which he’d coached them to a few years prior. Last I heard he was out of coaching and was making more money teaching hunter’s safety courses through Bass Pro Shop than he ever did as a teacher and coach.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Apr 11, 2022 6:06:21 GMT -6
Don't worry too much about it. If you show you care and you can coach you'll be fine.
Change your signs if you ever play them.
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Post by MICoach on Apr 11, 2022 6:33:24 GMT -6
You'll be fine.
I've talked about this before, but I used to coach at the district I live in (school A) before getting hired on as a teacher at another school in the conference (school B). I finished out the next season at School A before switching over the School B (head coaches were buddies and the season had already started, everyone agreed on this).
I caught a little bit of flack from my students at School B, but nothing more than light hearted ribbing. They actually beat us that year but then ended up rooting for us the rest of the season because that was their only route to a conference championship.
Now days students know I live there and used to coach there, but generally any hate is directed toward the other school/students/teams, not at me. I find it kind of funny because School B (where I teach) sees them as a huge rival, and School A just doesn't really even think about us as anything other than another opponent.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2022 6:39:47 GMT -6
Egged the house over that? The fk is wrong with folks? Some people are a little too obsessive over HS sports. Some people are a little too obsessive over SPORTS period. At any level. Why such visceral emotions can be brought out by the accomplishment of others that have such small relation to you (maybe geography, maybe shared school attendance) is bewildering. It probably could be reasoned that HS sports actually SHOULD have the most "obsessiveness" in that the fans could be more connected to the players than other levels for both students and adults. The QB could be the best friend growing up, a defensive lineman might be the neighbor's kid who cuts your yard, the kicker could be in your algebra class. What the hell connection do the people flipping cars over when a pro team wins have with those players? Fandom is just odd. Which leads me to the next point-- dblwngr you are a coach. That means you are a football mercenary. Feeling "dirty" for coaching a team that you have coached against frequently is something you should get over. It is actually a little surprising to see these feelings from someone who has been coaching 2 decades, but I do realize everyone's experience is different. But keep in mind, Schembechler didn't seem to have issues. I would think that for myself, the only issue I would have would be coaching AGAINST kids I had taught/coach. I teach elementary PE, so some of these kids I have taught 5-6 years. That much I have thought about as schools have contacted me to try and get back into the game. But that would just be a ME thing- I am fairly certain the kids would be oblivious to it.
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 11, 2022 7:34:34 GMT -6
When something like this happens, seems like it is always someone that doesnt start or even see time at all 😄 I think that same kid got in trouble during track season for going into the school I went to work at under the guise of needing to use the restroom and ended up taking a deuce on the mascot on the basketball court. Well at least he didn't lie about why he was going into the school...
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Post by lws55 on Apr 11, 2022 10:16:04 GMT -6
Been dealing with this the last year. I applied for the HC job at my current teaching job, did not get the job, they hired someone who had no previous HC experience but came from a team that played for the state title the year before. I was a little bitter so I applied for a teaching job at the rival high school, that was supposed to be open (the teacher decided at the last minute not to retire and come back for another year) I had already been hired by the football program (because we all thought she was retiring). Decided to coach at the rival high school anyway. The new HC at my teaching job told the players not to talk to me even though I was as helpful as I could be with the transition (I had been doing all the offseason stuff while the hiring process was going on). The school I teach at sees the game as a big rivalry while the school I was coaching at sees it as a bump in the road (the school I teach at hasn't beaten the school I coach at in 23 years).
School I coach at imploded they fired the DC midseason (I was promoted on a Tuesday for the game that week) the HC is put on administrative leave and we still went to the second round of the playoffs. We beat the school I teach at pretty easily despite them stealing my signals during the game. I had a few of the kids give me grief but most of the kids understood and showed me love when we played.
The school I coach at goes on this long search for a new HC and wont tell us anything during the process. They finally hire a guy and I told him that I wanted to be in the building if I was going to coach there. Long story short, the principal didn't even call me for the interview that he set up with me for the open teaching position. So I am not coaching there anymore, but I have been hired at another high school in district for teaching and coaching. Can't wait for the fresh start and change of atmosphere.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 13, 2022 12:48:21 GMT -6
Some people are a little too obsessive over HS sports. Some people are a little too obsessive over SPORTS period. At any level. Why such visceral emotions can be brought out by the accomplishment of others that have such small relation to you (maybe geography, maybe shared school attendance) is bewildering. It probably could be reasoned that HS sports actually SHOULD have the most "obsessiveness" in that the fans could be more connected to the players than other levels for both students and adults. The QB could be the best friend growing up, a defensive lineman might be the neighbor's kid who cuts your yard, the kicker could be in your algebra class. What the hell connection do the people flipping cars over when a pro team wins have with those players? Fandom is just odd. You are correct, but fan is just the word fanatic shortened.
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Post by somecoach on Apr 14, 2022 6:13:45 GMT -6
Rewatch the NWO pro wrestling promos from the late 90s... embrace the "heel turn" as they say in the pro wrestling world
For those who don't know pro wrestling lingo:
heel turn: noun- a reversal of position or direction, especially a change in character or affiliation perceived as abandoning a righteous or heroic course in pursuit of an unscrupulous or villainous one.
I was in a dream coaching situation... coaching at my alma mater and making a run at the championship, until after losing the championship the HC took another job.
Admin hired from outside the staff new guy was a hatchet man. Literally <24 hours after "parting ways" rival school who beat us in championship hired me.
It hurt coaching against the kids I cared about... but MAN DID THAT HEEL TURN FEEL GOOD especially against the guy who destroyed everything I've worked towards in <7 months. (We went 2-0 against the guy and he is no longer there)
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 14, 2022 7:11:52 GMT -6
Rewatch the NWO pro wrestling promos from the late 90s... embrace the "heel turn" as they say in the pro wrestling world For those who don't know pro wrestling lingo: heel turn: noun- a reversal of position or direction, especially a change in character or affiliation perceived as abandoning a righteous or heroic course in pursuit of an unscrupulous or villainous one. I was in a dream coaching situation... coaching at my alma mater and making a run at the championship, until after losing the championship the HC took another job. Admin hired from outside the staff new guy was a hatchet man. Literally <24 hours after "parting ways" rival school who beat us in championship hired me. It hurt coaching against the kids I cared about... but MAN DID THAT HEEL TURN FEEL GOOD especially against the guy who destroyed everything I've worked towards in <7 months. (We went 2-0 against the guy and he is no longer there) Wasn't the "rival school" already beating your alma mater when you were there as a "face." Not sure why going 2-0 against the same program that lost while you were there is an important factor here.
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Post by Wingtman on Apr 14, 2022 9:05:26 GMT -6
Did the same thing very early in my career, thought it was odd to wear all blue all the time. Now? Meh, I'm loyal to the people who sleep in my house, not sure if matters to me anymore.
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2022 9:26:30 GMT -6
I think that a lot of this hand-wringing can be avoided if you remember one thing- It's a game.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 14, 2022 11:37:53 GMT -6
I did this a few coaching stops ago. The only time it really was awkward was when we came up and played my former school. The transition down there was fine (it probably helped that it was a brand new staff).
Coming back was also fun. I was a celeb in the student section.
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Post by somecoach on Apr 16, 2022 11:20:54 GMT -6
Rewatch the NWO pro wrestling promos from the late 90s... embrace the "heel turn" as they say in the pro wrestling world For those who don't know pro wrestling lingo: heel turn: noun- a reversal of position or direction, especially a change in character or affiliation perceived as abandoning a righteous or heroic course in pursuit of an unscrupulous or villainous one. I was in a dream coaching situation... coaching at my alma mater and making a run at the championship, until after losing the championship the HC took another job. Admin hired from outside the staff new guy was a hatchet man. Literally <24 hours after "parting ways" rival school who beat us in championship hired me. It hurt coaching against the kids I cared about... but MAN DID THAT HEEL TURN FEEL GOOD especially against the guy who destroyed everything I've worked towards in <7 months. (We went 2-0 against the guy and he is no longer there) Wasn't the "rival school" already beating your alma mater when you were there as a "face." Not sure why going 2-0 against the same program that lost while you were there is an important factor here. ehhhhh it was more of a sidenote for anyone wondering if admin made a mistake throwing the baby out with the bathwater... they clearly did as they are on to their 3rd head coach in 4 seasons
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2022 11:51:01 GMT -6
I think that a lot of this hand-wringing can be avoided if you remember one thing- It's a game. This is the crucial point - It is a game, and it's for the kids. As a HS coach don't get too caught up in what it can do for you, even if you see it as a career. Coaching is a terminal profession, meaning most (at any level) have to get out by choice or otherwise before you may be ready-want to. Especially for HCs or those who want to be HCs. Leave behind a positive legacy for those you coached regardless of wins and losses.
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