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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2022 21:10:23 GMT -6
Curious for those who are still involved or might follow recruiting: has the transfer portal had any impact directly on one of your current HS kids/ kids you know about? I am not fully up to date, BUT I would think all of the movement has to impact the number of schollies available to give each year.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 16, 2022 21:43:19 GMT -6
Dont want to derail your thread in its second post, but since this is at least semi-relevant, do you think the transfer portal will create a similar landscape to NCAA basketball with the 1 and dones at the blue bloods? Seems like it's already kinda headed there. Who knows, might be more akin to the pro landscape with free agency. Man, wouldnt that be something if they start having restricted free agency and the franchise tag in CFB? 😄
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Post by silkyice on Jan 16, 2022 23:09:17 GMT -6
Curious for those who are still involved or might follow recruiting: has the transfer portal had any impact directly on one of your current HS kids/ kids you know about? I am not fully up to date, BUT I would think all of the movement has to impact the number of schollies available to give each year. Transfer portal combined with the extra covid year is KILLING this year's class. And not just football. The NCAA really should have given each school and sport a few more scholarships that had to be used on current high school players. They could phase that out over time, but it is/was needed. We will know more in a few months to see how it all plays out. Hopefully it all sorts out, but colleges are all looking for current college transfer players instead of high school players minus the absolute top hs players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 6:26:58 GMT -6
I suggest coaches love it. Especially at the highest levels. And the best part is the players is free to leave at any time That kid is not going to play here, why would you want to keep him here. Put that scholarship somewhere else, on somebody who potentially can play here. Its going to kill junior college/marginal kids at all levels.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2022 6:40:31 GMT -6
Curious for those who are still involved or might follow recruiting: has the transfer portal had any impact directly on one of your current HS kids/ kids you know about? I am not fully up to date, BUT I would think all of the movement has to impact the number of schollies available to give each year. Transfer portal combined with the extra covid year is KILLING this year's class. And not just football. The NCAA really should have given each school and sport a few more scholarships that had to be used on current high school players. They could phase that out over time, but it is/was needed. We will know more in a few months to see how it all plays out. Hopefully it all sorts out, but colleges are all looking for current college transfer players instead of high school players minus the absolute top hs players. That is what I was looking to discover. How common is it that HS kids who thought they had offers found out in December they really didnt? And how will that look in a few more weeks? tripsclosed Obviously with more freedom of movement it will be "similar" but I think the nature of the game and naturally deeper rosters of football will keep it from being THAT similar. I I think the #1 catalyst to highly touted "one and done" for athletes will be coaches leaving. That is the case right now at OU. What is similar is that in some cases, almost all notions of the "student athlete" façade is being torn away. I am going to be interested to see how this will affect academic eligibility. For instance, Caleb Williams is clearly the center of the portal attention. Southern Cal started classes last week. OU starts classes tomorrow.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 17, 2022 8:18:43 GMT -6
Transfer portal combined with the extra covid year is KILLING this year's class. And not just football. The NCAA really should have given each school and sport a few more scholarships that had to be used on current high school players. They could phase that out over time, but it is/was needed. We will know more in a few months to see how it all plays out. Hopefully it all sorts out, but colleges are all looking for current college transfer players instead of high school players minus the absolute top hs players. That is what I was looking to discover. How common is it that HS kids who thought they had offers found out in December they really didnt? And how will that look in a few more weeks? tripsclosed Obviously with more freedom of movement it will be "similar" but I think the nature of the game and naturally deeper rosters of football will keep it from being THAT similar. I I think the #1 catalyst to highly touted "one and done" for athletes will be coaches leaving. That is the case right now at OU. What is similar is that in some cases, almost all notions of the "student athlete" façade is being torn away. I am going to be interested to see how this will affect academic eligibility. For instance, Caleb Williams is clearly the center of the portal attention. Southern Cal started classes last week. OU starts classes tomorrow. If i understood you correctly on the academics, you might start seeing all the power 5 schools develop a standardized/shared curriculum for the most commonly chosen majors so that when a player transfers, all their credits transfer over...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2022 8:58:28 GMT -6
That is what I was looking to discover. How common is it that HS kids who thought they had offers found out in December they really didnt? And how will that look in a few more weeks? tripsclosed Obviously with more freedom of movement it will be "similar" but I think the nature of the game and naturally deeper rosters of football will keep it from being THAT similar. I I think the #1 catalyst to highly touted "one and done" for athletes will be coaches leaving. That is the case right now at OU. What is similar is that in some cases, almost all notions of the "student athlete" façade is being torn away. I am going to be interested to see how this will affect academic eligibility. For instance, Caleb Williams is clearly the center of the portal attention. Southern Cal started classes last week. OU starts classes tomorrow. If i understood you correctly on the academics, you might start seeing all the power 5 schools develop a standardized/shared curriculum for the most commonly chosen majors so that when a player transfers, all their credits transfer over... No, that wasn't really in my thoughts. My point was more the timing of issues. All of these players are announcing they are "committed" to their new schools just days before if not AFTER the academic terms of those new schools have started. As I mentioned, USC has already started. OU wide out Mario Williams just announced he is transferring to USC. They are already a week into class. The notion of student athlete (created to keep from having to pay players) has always been a farce, BUT now even more easily connectable dots are being exposed. I seem to recall several instances of mid year "transfer portal" announcements. I wonder how diligently those players continued their academic workload. I would suspect one of the reasons NCAA Men's basketball has almost 3 times the number of early draft declarations as they have actual draft spots is academically related. The season takes place in both semesters, with lack of academic diligence putting one on probation after the first, and then ineligible after the second.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 17, 2022 9:03:55 GMT -6
The class of 2022 is being especially hard hit. Their most important recruiting time (junior season visits, spring, camps, ect.) was stolen by COVID. Then the current players all got another COVID year. Then you add in the portal. They are competing against the largest pool of players in history to get a scholarship and they are the least seen recruits in the last 30 years. That is a tough road.
The 2015 Alabama Mr. Football is in the recruiting portal. Add that up. This will be his 7th season in college football. Covid year and an injury year. He has had a stellar career at UAB. I don't begrudge that kid at all. Hope he gets his and plays pro football somewhere. But how is a high school qb supposed to compete against that for a scholarship?? That is why the NCAA needs to add extra schollys just for hs kids for a few years.
Unless you already had committable offers as a freshmen or are a 3, 4, or 5 star, you are getting the shaft.
I think all this will sort out in 3-4 years. But for this current class of 2022, it bites.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2022 9:31:21 GMT -6
The class of 2022 is being especially hard hit. Their most important recruiting time (junior season visits, spring, camps, ect.) was stolen by COVID. Then the current players all got another COVID year. Then you add in the portal. They are competing against the largest pool of players in history to get a scholarship and they are the least seen recruits in the last 30 years. That is a tough road. The 2015 Alabama Mr. Football is in the recruiting portal. Add that up. This will be his 7th season in college football. Covid year and an injury year. He has had a stellar career at UAB. I don't begrudge that kid at all. Hope he gets his and plays pro football somewhere. But how is a high school qb supposed to compete against that for a scholarship?? That is why the NCAA needs to add extra schollys just for hs kids for a few years. Unless you already had committable offers as a freshmen or are a 3, 4, or 5 star, you are getting the shaft.I think all this will sort out in 3-4 years. But for this current class of 2022, it bites. I guess my curiosity has to do with the part I highlighted. How many of those guys are still finding issues and being much less attractive to colleges now. How many of those kids are getting the rug pulled at the last minute? For example Arkansas just had guys who started at Bama and LSU transfer via the portal. Based on my understanding of the rules, these two seem MUCH more valuable than any potential HS recruit. McGlothern Started several games at LSU at Corner, and Sanders the same at Bama, with the added bonus that they can't "portal" out of their new locations easily. Based simply on math, that means that a few potential Ark recruits are not going to be able to attend this year correct?
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jan 17, 2022 10:33:52 GMT -6
It definitely seems to make it closer to basketball recruiting where the number of scholarships available on a year by year basis changes and is a big part of the school's recruiting strategy each year. And also must involve some level of projection regarding who will probably transfer out, who might declare early, who is going to be a super-duper senior and leave school with a doctorate when they're done playing football, etc.
We only had one real recruitable kid in this class and he had no issues with his scholarship still being available on signing day. Another kid in town was committed to one school for months and signed somewhere else, rumor is that the original school told him they would honor the scholarship they offered him but that he should probably look elsewhere. No clue if the portal was a factor in that or not.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 17, 2022 10:36:55 GMT -6
It’s hard on the current players. The extra year is killing high school kids more than the portal. They are the ones eating scholarships. If it was just the portal there would be the same number of scholarships available. Just at different schools. But with the extra covid year the number of available scholarships is diminished. I was talking to a college coach one day when he came by. And he basically said. D1 kids are going D1AA. D1AA kids are now going D2. D2 kids are going D3. He is at a D2 school and said in this class they were getting kids they wouldn’t have even talked to before bc they didn’t think they had a chance to get them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 10:37:01 GMT -6
Dont want to derail your thread in its second post, but since this is at least semi-relevant, do you think the transfer portal will create a similar landscape to NCAA basketball with the 1 and dones at the blue bloods? Seems like it's already kinda headed there. Who knows, might be more akin to the pro landscape with free agency. Man, wouldnt that be something if they start having restricted free agency and the franchise tag in CFB? 😄 NFL draft rules currently forbid players from declaring for the draft until 3 years after their graduating class has graduated, so you won’t see the true “1 and dones” like you do with basketball players going to school for a semester and playing their freshman year before declaring for the draft and giving up on academics in the spring. What you are seeing is players becoming far more mobile. Sign somewhere out of HS and riding the pine as a freshman? Transfer. Feel out of place and homesick your freshman year? Transfer. Coach who recruited you leaves? Transfer. Overlooked by P5 but you show you’re a stud at a G5 or FCS school? Transfer. Better NIL deal elsewhere? Transfer. Etc. The Covid year has also created a logjam that will eventually work itself out, but it’ll take a few years to do so. My alma mater just had a (transfer) LB set an NCAA record by playing his *eighth* year of college football this year due to some redshirting issues and Covid. Frankly, with the Covid rule, NIL, and the transfer rules now, I don’t know why they don’t just take away eligibility limits altogether and let people play for a decade or more as long as they stay enrolled and maintain grades. The NCAA has effectively turned college football into a semi-pro minor league, anyway. Long-term, I feel like the transfer portal is going to replace HS recruiting as the top way the P5 schools build their programs. Why recruit 25 HS kids who’ll mostly need a year or two to mature physically (and may transfer by the time they do) when you can sign a bunch of sophomores and juniors who’ve been in a quality P5 S&C program for a while and know how things are done at that level? Coaches are already saying that if you want a fast turnaround, which everyone needs in the FBS, you should focus on the transfer portal for bringing in talent that’s ready now. I also have to wonder if those blue chip kids who’ve chosen Jackson State would have ever done so without the transfer portal as a fallback option, as I could see more highly rated freshmen get pushed to the G5 and FCS schools where they can play early, then transfer after a year or two to a top FBS program. Essentially, I can see the G5 and FCS now becoming Alabama and USC’s farm system.
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 18, 2022 18:32:31 GMT -6
I have been told by SEVERAL (5 different coaches from different D2 schools, 2 NAIA coaches, plus 1 Group of 5 D1 coach) that the transfer portal is going to hurt high school kids recruiting coming out unless you are a 4-5 star recruit. It comes down to investments and they do not see signing more than 10-15 true high school kids a year with various packages.
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2022 21:38:14 GMT -6
something something
unintended consequences......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 22:56:19 GMT -6
something something unintended consequences...... They had the best of intentions. Can’t blame them.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 19, 2022 8:53:09 GMT -6
Again, the solution is to add more scholarships. D1 coach told me yesterday that the NCAA is actually looking into that right now. He said that could come out before signing day, but that seems incredibly unlikely from the outside looking in.
While the transfer portal is the main issue, my problem is with the COVID year. They gave EVERY college athlete a COVID year. They took care of the current college players. But they completely disregarded the future college players (hs kids). The solution was to add to temporarily add more scholarships and then phase them out.
College players got a COVID year even though they played all the games. That is just illogical.
My son was a freshmen playing baseball when COVID hit in the middle of the season. So that year didn't count. Then he played last year as freshman. He could count that year as his COVID year. So he could still be a freshmen THIS YEAR!!
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Post by stuffcoachessayvids on Jan 19, 2022 13:02:57 GMT -6
Curious for those who are still involved or might follow recruiting: has the transfer portal had any impact directly on one of your current HS kids/ kids you know about? I am not fully up to date, BUT I would think all of the movement has to impact the number of schollies available to give each year. Had a P5 Coach in my office yesterday. We had a QB dropped by an FCS after an offensive staff change. He along with another FBS Coach recommended that kid going to a Division 2 school for a year or 2 then jumping in the portal. Specifically said, No one has time to develop a kid. They have to win now so that means taking a portal kid who's older and has some experience. Stinks for HS kids and coaches trying to help them.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 19, 2022 13:25:36 GMT -6
Curious for those who are still involved or might follow recruiting: has the transfer portal had any impact directly on one of your current HS kids/ kids you know about? I am not fully up to date, BUT I would think all of the movement has to impact the number of schollies available to give each year. Had a P5 Coach in my office yesterday. We had a QB dropped by an FCS after an offensive staff change. He along with another FBS Coach recommended that kid going to a Division 2 school for a year or 2 then jumping in the portal. Specifically said, No one has time to develop a kid. They have to win now so that means taking a portal kid who's older and has some experience. Stinks for HS kids and coaches trying to help them. it also stinks for the D2 coach that found and developed him..How do you create and keep together a team
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 15:07:16 GMT -6
Had a P5 Coach in my office yesterday. We had a QB dropped by an FCS after an offensive staff change. He along with another FBS Coach recommended that kid going to a Division 2 school for a year or 2 then jumping in the portal. Specifically said, No one has time to develop a kid. They have to win now so that means taking a portal kid who's older and has some experience. Stinks for HS kids and coaches trying to help them. it also stinks for the D2 coach that found and developed him..How do you create and keep together a team It seems like this will make things even more homogenous across the different schools. There is no longer much incentive to teach a bunch of new or unique skills to recruits for something different. That could even trickle down to HS if the D2 and FCS schools evolve into a farm system for the FBS. If everyone can only expect to have guys around for a year or two, colleges are likely going to make a bigger deal out of guys being “ready for the next level” now. That’ll lure more kids into IMG Academy and emphasize the private coaching industry even more, squeezing HS coaches.
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Post by fantom on Jan 21, 2022 11:04:12 GMT -6
Had a P5 Coach in my office yesterday. We had a QB dropped by an FCS after an offensive staff change. He along with another FBS Coach recommended that kid going to a Division 2 school for a year or 2 then jumping in the portal. Specifically said, No one has time to develop a kid. They have to win now so that means taking a portal kid who's older and has some experience. Stinks for HS kids and coaches trying to help them. it also stinks for the D2 coach that found and developed him..How do you create and keep together a team And it hurts 1AA and D2's on the other end of it, too. It used to be that a guy who transferred from a 1A had to transfer down to play immediately. That's how a lot of future NFL players ended up at smaller schools. They don't have to do that any more.
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Post by blb on Jan 21, 2022 11:20:00 GMT -6
it also stinks for the D2 coach that found and developed him..How do you create and keep together a team And it hurts 1AA and D2's on the other end of it, too. It used to be that a guy who transferred from a 1A had to transfer down play immediately. That's how a lot of future NFL players ended up at smaller schools. They don't have to do that any more. In the mid-'90s I coached at a very high academic, Liberal Arts D-III college. We had a QB (Toledo), OT (Western Michigan), and WR (Michigan) that had all transferred from D-I schools. Predictably all three were all-conference. They wanted to play college football and get a good education. They just didn't want to be football players 365-24/7. That probably isn't going to happen now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 15:55:23 GMT -6
it also stinks for the D2 coach that found and developed him..How do you create and keep together a team And it hurts 1AA and D2's on the other end of it, too. It used to be that a guy who transferred from a 1A had to transfer down to play immediately. That's how a lot of future NFL players ended up at smaller schools. They don't have to do that any more. With that in mind, another aspect is is that staffs are going to have to always be recruiting their own players now, even once they get them signed. Players are going to have zero incentive to stick around now if their coach is an @$$, or at least seems like one, or even if morale is low at the end of the season. That’s going to make “culture” an even bigger buzzword and will likely lead to more changes in what’s considered “too old school.”
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 22, 2022 19:12:30 GMT -6
And it hurts 1AA and D2's on the other end of it, too. It used to be that a guy who transferred from a 1A had to transfer down play immediately. That's how a lot of future NFL players ended up at smaller schools. They don't have to do that any more. In the mid-'90s I coached at a very high academic, Liberal Arts D-III college. We had a QB (Toledo), OT (Western Michigan), and WR (Michigan) that had all transferred from D-I schools. Predictably all three were all-conference. They wanted to play college football and get a good education. They just didn't want to be football players 365-24/7. That probably isn't going to happen now. Why not? I don't see how transferring down gets affected
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Post by **** on Jan 22, 2022 20:01:24 GMT -6
FBS is not taking any fringe D1 guys anymore. So anyone that’s not a no brainer D1 is not going FBS. You have to win right now in college football and you do that with transfers. So all those kids are going Juco or FCS. FCS kids going juco or D2/naia and others bumped down to D3.
Plus there’s less scholarships available due to extra season provided due to covid year.
Yes if you take a transfer kid from another school that school now has an opening for a potential hs kid. More than likely they are going to another college that’s a level below them (doesn’t have to be) and pulling a kid away and giving them more money due to NIL deal potential. (Talking D1 schools)
Covid year will sort itself out in couple years. Transfer portal changed the game forever. Anyone you think is D1, is not D1. You have to KNOW they are D1.
Kids who need any kind of development are not a D1 player. They have to be ready to play right now.
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Post by **** on Jan 22, 2022 20:03:54 GMT -6
Curious for those who are still involved or might follow recruiting: has the transfer portal had any impact directly on one of your current HS kids/ kids you know about? I am not fully up to date, BUT I would think all of the movement has to impact the number of schollies available to give each year. Had a P5 Coach in my office yesterday. We had a QB dropped by an FCS after an offensive staff change. He along with another FBS Coach recommended that kid going to a Division 2 school for a year or 2 then jumping in the portal. Specifically said, No one has time to develop a kid. They have to win now so that means taking a portal kid who's older and has some experience. Stinks for HS kids and coaches trying to help them. Yes this
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Post by **** on Jan 22, 2022 20:04:48 GMT -6
I have been told by SEVERAL (5 different coaches from different D2 schools, 2 NAIA coaches, plus 1 Group of 5 D1 coach) that the transfer portal is going to hurt high school kids recruiting coming out unless you are a 4-5 star recruit. It comes down to investments and they do not see signing more than 10-15 true high school kids a year with various packages. This
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Post by 53 on Jan 22, 2022 20:20:41 GMT -6
I think the project type players will be offered a preferred walk on and schools will have NIL deals in place to cover their education and to give them some money.
I know Tennessee recently done this with a local player that suffered an injury and had his offer pulled from another school.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 20:29:05 GMT -6
At some point the NIL will be construed as a contract and NIL and the portal and NIL WILL BE MINIMIZED.
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Post by **** on Jan 23, 2022 9:02:24 GMT -6
I think the project type players will be offered a preferred walk on and schools will have NIL deals in place to cover their education and to give them some money. I know Tennessee recently done this with a local player that suffered an injury and had his offer pulled from another school. Yes this is also happening. I’ve seen it work with pulling up naia/D2 etc kids though as well. Give them PWO and NIL deal to cover cost. You don’t want FBS expanding their roster it will hurt lower levels because D1 will horde players. Like Nebraska in the 90s. They already have ways to get around the max roster limit with red/gray/blue shirts etc. Don't make it worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 9:27:57 GMT -6
I think the project type players will be offered a preferred walk on and schools will have NIL deals in place to cover their education and to give them some money. I know Tennessee recently done this with a local player that suffered an injury and had his offer pulled from another school. This brings up another way that NIL can affect recruiting: schools can use NIL deals to replace the need for scholarships, essentially making scholarship limits useless. For example, say USC or Alabama gets put on probation for something and they have their scholarships cut as punishment. Welp, here come a few boosters with deep pockets who are willing to offer each starter a lucrative NIL deal while the school “pulls” their scholarship, no longer counting them in the numbers while they continue to play there and make bank for doing it.
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