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Post by cqmiller on Jan 13, 2022 12:14:55 GMT -6
Frank Dicocco's stuff (he used to be on Huey all the time before he passed) is good. That's what we use. hopefoundation.us/ |
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Post by blb on Jan 13, 2022 13:09:24 GMT -6
If you are doing a good job teaching "character" and "life lessons" during Football season when you have kids' undivided attention - why would you have to do anything in Off-Season? If you feel you do - maybe what you're doing in the fall isn't good enough-sticking? In that case giving them more to listen to, read, write - like another class with homework - isn't going to help. That isn’t the case at all. I have them year around and I want to emphasize it year around. It’s like training. If you train speed, power, strength for 4 months and then stop for 8 months, then why train at all. Where do you coach-what is your situation? I never "had them year around." |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 17:11:35 GMT -6
I second this curriculum. We were one of the first schools to start with Wade as he was living in our city at the time. It's top notch stuff and he will even tell you it's set up to be a quick blast not some intensive program that takes a ton of time. Wade comes from a big time football family with several D1 coaches in his family. It's very user friendly and our kids got a lot from it. It's not raising other peoples kid or trying to convert them or create some cult like atmosphere. Lots of kids have no idea what the words mean that we use with them everyday. This curriculum gives them an idea what those words mean and how they effect their everyday lives. It really is good stuff. Sounds like exactly what I am looking for. Does character matter when its your best players who screw up? And when I say screw up, meaning that by rule they should not play or practice? |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 14, 2022 6:03:13 GMT -6
I second this curriculum. We were one of the first schools to start with Wade as he was living in our city at the time. It's top notch stuff and he will even tell you it's set up to be a quick blast not some intensive program that takes a ton of time. Wade comes from a big time football family with several D1 coaches in his family. It's very user friendly and our kids got a lot from it. It's not raising other peoples kid or trying to convert them or create some cult like atmosphere. Lots of kids have no idea what the words mean that we use with them everyday. This curriculum gives them an idea what those words mean and how they effect their everyday lives. It really is good stuff. Sounds like exactly what I am looking for. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up |
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Post by brian3413 on Jan 14, 2022 9:55:30 GMT -6
Thank you for posting this, definitely following for reference. Most of the schools in my state that are considered the top tier preach culture, teach culture classes in the offseason, including a coach that won 70 some straight games. To me, it is proof that it works. Kids cling to stuff that they can feel apart of. I know that some of the programs that are elite in our area were middle of the road until they added it, so it doesn't necessarily relate to Xs and Os, but it does something to drive talent to your team. Good luck!
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Post by 1bignasty on Jan 14, 2022 13:00:22 GMT -6
Sounds like exactly what I am looking for. Does character matter when its your best players who screw up? And when I say screw up, meaning that by rule they should not play or practice? It does for us. In Week 7, playing a traditional State power and Conference foe.....our stud All World TB was late for our team meal. We don't have a ton of "Rules" so to speak, but one is "if you are late for pre-game meal without prior approval you will not start". I don't put a time amount on how long they sit out but we are not going to disrespect our guest speaker and meal providers by walking in late. He didn't play until the second quarter and we were up 21-0 because our other kids stepped up. It sent a message that we could win without him. He was 5 minutes late and gave no valid excuse. So yes character does matter when it is our best player. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:13:12 GMT -6
Does anyone have a recommendation for Character Education programs that I can use with my team. I am in a situation different than I have ever experienced in that regard. Kids aren't horrible and we are turning the program from a loser into a winner, but I am still not happy with the team character. Second season here and things have gotten a little better but it is obvious the players have not had a lot of instruction nor education as to how to be great teammates, diligent in the classroom, carry themselves with a level of respect, etc. Winning games is second to winning life. I want to find materials that give video teaching segments and discussion opportunities on character issues as well as over-all culture. I want to use it once per week and make it mandatory both in season and out. I am not interested in workbooks or anything which will give the players extra assignments.......just good lessons which we in turn can reinforce on a regular basis. So why are the kids allowed to practice, play when those things are happening. If it happens in the classroom, if it happen with teammates, if it happens to themselves, why would it not happen in practice, or in a game(of life)? The elements of a great team, not talking about talent, are found in every arena of life, including on the friday night score board. That is team discipline. Its a very simple thing, if they wont do what they are suppose to do in their day to day responsibilities, They most certain will not do it in your practices or in your games. Those behaviors show up eventually. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 14, 2022 13:18:09 GMT -6
Thank you for posting this, definitely following for reference. Most of the schools in my state that are considered the top tier preach culture, teach culture classes in the offseason, including a coach that won 70 some straight games. To me, it is proof that it works. Kids cling to stuff that they can feel apart of. I know that some of the programs that are elite in our area were middle of the road until they added it, so it doesn't necessarily relate to Xs and Os, but it does something to drive talent to your team. Good luck! What about the lousy programs? Don't any of them have culture classes? |
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Post by Defcord on Jan 14, 2022 13:21:21 GMT -6
Does character matter when its your best players who screw up? And when I say screw up, meaning that by rule they should not play or practice? It does for us. In Week 7, playing a traditional State power and Conference foe.....our stud All World TB was late for our team meal. We don't have a ton of "Rules" so to speak, but one is "if you are late for pre-game meal without prior approval you will not start". I don't put a time amount on how long they sit out but we are not going to disrespect our guest speaker and meal providers by walking in late. He didn't play until the second quarter and we were up 21-0 because our other kids stepped up. It sent a message that we could win without him. He was 5 minutes late and gave no valid excuse. So yes character does matter when it is our best player. Out of curiosity do you feel had you gone on to lose that game that you would feel the same. Say the story was you gave up a KOR out of the gate for a TD. Then you go to offense and your back up fumbles it for a scoop and score and you are down 14 before you get your starting offenses second play. Then you guys put your dude in. He rushes valiantly for 250 and 3tds but you lose in overtime. Do you hold to your convictions? I’ve seen coaches be put in tough spots before and some of them lose their character when the game is on the line and some of them don’t. |
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Post by 1bignasty on Jan 14, 2022 13:26:13 GMT -6
Does anyone have a recommendation for Character Education programs that I can use with my team. I am in a situation different than I have ever experienced in that regard. Kids aren't horrible and we are turning the program from a loser into a winner, but I am still not happy with the team character. Second season here and things have gotten a little better but it is obvious the players have not had a lot of instruction nor education as to how to be great teammates, diligent in the classroom, carry themselves with a level of respect, etc. Winning games is second to winning life. I want to find materials that give video teaching segments and discussion opportunities on character issues as well as over-all culture. I want to use it once per week and make it mandatory both in season and out. I am not interested in workbooks or anything which will give the players extra assignments.......just good lessons which we in turn can reinforce on a regular basis. So why are the kids allowed to practice, play when those things are happening. If it happens in the classroom, if it happen with teammates, if it happens to themselves, why would it not happen in practice, or in a game(of life)? The elements of a great team, not talking about talent, are found in every arena of life, including on the friday night score board. That is team discipline. Its a very simple thing, if they wont do what they are suppose to do in their day to day responsibilities, They most certain will not do it in your practices or in your games. Those behaviors show up eventually. Yes they do and that is why they need true life consequences and education without completely eliminating them from opportunities to learn right from wrong. Kicking them to the curb might make it easy for us but I have a terrible "problem" known as caring about other people and their future. Our society has enough people who have no clue about how to do right. If my players refuse to follow our guidelines and expectations after consequences, then they can and will be dismissed. I am not a rookie. I have been doing this for a long time with a lot of W's and some State Championships. But if all I have to show at the end of my career is trophies and rings then I am a miserable failure. For some coaches seeing their former and current players succeed in life is not a priority, for me it is a huge priority. Not asking anyone to agree with me but also not going to change. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:33:52 GMT -6
So why are the kids allowed to practice, play when those things are happening. If it happens in the classroom, if it happen with teammates, if it happens to themselves, why would it not happen in practice, or in a game(of life)? The elements of a great team, not talking about talent, are found in every arena of life, including on the friday night score board. That is team discipline. Its a very simple thing, if they wont do what they are suppose to do in their day to day responsibilities, They most certain will not do it in your practices or in your games. Those behaviors show up eventually. Yes they do and that is why they need true life consequences and education without completely eliminating them from opportunities to learn right from wrong. Kicking them to the curb might make it easy for us but I have a terrible "problem" known as caring about other people and their future. Our society has enough people who have no clue about how to do right. If my players refuse to follow our guidelines and expectations after consequences, then they can and will be dismissed. I am not a rookie. I have been doing this for a long time with a lot of W's and some State Championships. But if all I have to show at the end of my career is trophies and rings then I am a miserable failure. For some coaches seeing their former and current players succeed in life is not a priority, for me it is a huge priority. Not asking anyone to agree with me but also not going to change. What you are after ultimately you are actually able to implement without the extra. That doesnt mean kicking kids to the curb necessarily. Story time. We had a group of kids who were our only real players. They were caught on campus with ILLEGAL DRUGS i.e not pot. You know what the powers that be came up with? They didnt call the cops, they didnt call the parents, they didnt suspend them practicing or playing, they didnt even get written up. “THEY DESTROYED THE DRUGS.” My mentor lost his {censored}. But my mentor, myself and rest of the staff were told it was not our place. But we are suppose to carry the message of doing right, taking care of your buisness… |
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Post by 1bignasty on Jan 14, 2022 13:35:44 GMT -6
It does for us. In Week 7, playing a traditional State power and Conference foe.....our stud All World TB was late for our team meal. We don't have a ton of "Rules" so to speak, but one is "if you are late for pre-game meal without prior approval you will not start". I don't put a time amount on how long they sit out but we are not going to disrespect our guest speaker and meal providers by walking in late. He didn't play until the second quarter and we were up 21-0 because our other kids stepped up. It sent a message that we could win without him. He was 5 minutes late and gave no valid excuse. So yes character does matter when it is our best player. Out of curiosity do you feel had you gone on to lose that game that you would feel the same. Say the story was you gave up a KOR out of the gate for a TD. Then you go to offense and your back up fumbles it for a scoop and score and you are down 14 before you get your starting offenses second play. Then you guys put your dude in. He rushes valiantly for 250 and 3tds but you lose in overtime. Do you hold to your convictions? I’ve seen coaches be put in tough spots before and some of them lose their character when the game is on the line and some of them don’t. Yeah Coach, I would not regret my stance at all. The goal is to build a program for now and the future. If I am willing to compromise my standards to win a big game then all discipline is out the window. Those Juniors, Sophomores and even a few varsity Freshmen saw it and lived it. They all got the message not just the stud. by the way he was never late to Pre-game meal again. |
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Post by 1bignasty on Jan 14, 2022 13:39:02 GMT -6
Yes they do and that is why they need true life consequences and education without completely eliminating them from opportunities to learn right from wrong. Kicking them to the curb might make it easy for us but I have a terrible "problem" known as caring about other people and their future. Our society has enough people who have no clue about how to do right. If my players refuse to follow our guidelines and expectations after consequences, then they can and will be dismissed. I am not a rookie. I have been doing this for a long time with a lot of W's and some State Championships. But if all I have to show at the end of my career is trophies and rings then I am a miserable failure. For some coaches seeing their former and current players succeed in life is not a priority, for me it is a huge priority. Not asking anyone to agree with me but also not going to change. What you are after ultimately you are actually able to implement without the extra. That doesnt mean kicking kids to the curb necessarily. Story time. We had a group of kids who were our only real players. They were caught on campus with ILLEGAL DRUGS i.e not pot. You know what the powers that be came up with? They didnt call the cops, they didnt call the parents, they didnt suspend them practicing or playing, they didnt even get written up. “THEY DESTROYED THE DRUGS.” My mentor lost his {censored}. But my mentor, myself and rest of the staff were told it was not our place. But we are suppose to carry the message of doing right, taking care of your buisness… Wow....that sounds highly illegal on the part of whoever destroyed the drugs and turned the other way! They drastically tied the coaching staff's hands.....I can't imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:40:28 GMT -6
What you are after ultimately you are actually able to implement without the extra. That doesnt mean kicking kids to the curb necessarily. Story time. We had a group of kids who were our only real players. They were caught on campus with ILLEGAL DRUGS i.e not pot. You know what the powers that be came up with? They didnt call the cops, they didnt call the parents, they didnt suspend them practicing or playing, they didnt even get written up. “THEY DESTROYED THE DRUGS.” My mentor lost his {censored}. But my mentor, myself and rest of the staff were told it was not our place. But we are suppose to carry the message of doing right, taking care of your buisness… Wow....that sounds highly illegal on the part of whoever destroyed the drugs and turned the other way! They drastically tied the coaching staff's hands.....I can't imagine. You know who told us to my our own buisness? My boss. |
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Post by 1bignasty on Jan 14, 2022 13:44:02 GMT -6
Wow....that sounds highly illegal on the part of whoever destroyed the drugs and turned the other way! They drastically tied the coaching staff's hands.....I can't imagine. You know who told us to my our own buisness? My boss. Terrible.....hopefully none of those kids went on to become addicts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:45:04 GMT -6
You know who told us to my our own buisness? My boss. Terrible.....hopefully none of those kids went on to become addicts. You should smell the locker room. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Jan 14, 2022 13:51:47 GMT -6
Terrible.....hopefully none of those kids went on to become addicts. You should smell the locker room. With all the love and respect I can muster, you need to leave that system. They do not care for kids or the staff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:52:28 GMT -6
You should smell the locker room. With all the love and respect I can muster, you need to leave that system. They do not care for kids or the staff. That is in the works. Trust me you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:55:17 GMT -6
You should smell the locker room. With all the love and respect I can muster, you need to leave that system. They do not care for kids or the staff. At some point, helping kids will destroy you, your career(coaching), if you cannot cut bait. If the problem is persistant, the coach is no longer helping the kid, the coach is on a suicide mission. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Jan 14, 2022 14:38:08 GMT -6
With all the love and respect I can muster, you need to leave that system. They do not care for kids or the staff. At some point, helping kids will destroy you, your career(coaching), if you cannot cut bait. If the problem is persistant, the coach is no longer helping the kid, the coach is on a suicide mission. There are lots of issues far bigger than a football coach can manage and they are above our pay grade....when those above our pay grade make decisions that jeopardize the health and welfare of both students and staff it is time to go. If I can't make that danger to health and safety go away then I need to go away. So far those above me are on the same page. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 14:53:29 GMT -6
At some point, helping kids will destroy you, your career(coaching), if you cannot cut bait. If the problem is persistant, the coach is no longer helping the kid, the coach is on a suicide mission. There are lots of issues far bigger than a football coach can manage and they are above our pay grade....when those above our pay grade make decisions that jeopardize the health and welfare of both students and staff it is time to go. If I can't make that danger to health and safety go away then I need to go away. So far those above me are on the same page. The role of football coach is taken to far. What I hear and see, have seen from some is the equivalent of the history teacher making sure every single kid in his. Class, goes to college. It is not healthy for the coach. |
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Post by jml on Jan 14, 2022 20:01:52 GMT -6
Yes they do and that is why they need true life consequences and education without completely eliminating them from opportunities to learn right from wrong. Kicking them to the curb might make it easy for us but I have a terrible "problem" known as caring about other people and their future. Our society has enough people who have no clue about how to do right. If my players refuse to follow our guidelines and expectations after consequences, then they can and will be dismissed. I am not a rookie. I have been doing this for a long time with a lot of W's and some State Championships. But if all I have to show at the end of my career is trophies and rings then I am a miserable failure. For some coaches seeing their former and current players succeed in life is not a priority, for me it is a huge priority. Not asking anyone to agree with me but also not going to change. What you are after ultimately you are actually able to implement without the extra. That doesnt mean kicking kids to the curb necessarily. Story time. We had a group of kids who were our only real players. They were caught on campus with ILLEGAL DRUGS i.e not pot. You know what the powers that be came up with? They didnt call the cops, they didnt call the parents, they didnt suspend them practicing or playing, they didnt even get written up. “THEY DESTROYED THE DRUGS.” My mentor lost his {censored}. But my mentor, myself and rest of the staff were told it was not our place. But we are suppose to carry the message of doing right, taking care of your buisness… A lot of people have blood on their hands in this situation. |
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