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Post by wolfden12 on Oct 30, 2021 8:21:00 GMT -6
Curious, With so many resources and technology advancements how much "stuff" do you share with players throughout the week for the upcoming opponent. With so many ways to share what is too much?
What gets shared?
Upcoming opponent film Cut-ups for position Scouting Report Position summary sheet for opponent Roster/depth chart
Mainly, does today's athlete utilize these things coaches try to implement or are we now a more kinesthetic/on field tutorial over technology and paper.
Just know I try to provide as much as I can for our players and nobody looks at anything. Didn't mind when I was younger and didn't have a family now and it takes time away from them. I know its part of the job and don't mind doing, but get frustrated when I spend all this time and you (players) can't even open and browse it.
Thoughts.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 30, 2021 10:39:32 GMT -6
In my experience, unless you are doing it with them... 90+% of them don't care. Current school I'm at, we just share the scout film, and the coaches tag it up and we watch it together during our meeting times. That is the only time they interact with it (at least a VAST majority of them). I agree with you 100% that if they don't use it and it doesn't help your program it is frustrating and a waste of time that could be spend on more important things (Family). That being said... I've done some pretty cool scouting reports at the last school I was at because it was like 90% of them DID care and we won a lot of games and we did all of the things you are speaking of in your post. Here is an example of some stuff we used to do that was time-consuming, but helped us win a title when our players DID want to read it and do it: Scouting Report Example = www.dropbox.com/s/oi2xbeopmfzydd1/Week%2003%20GP%20-%20%40%20Hunter.pptx?dl=0Coverage Report Example = www.dropbox.com/s/pp7twmnr1dt7770/HUDL%20102b%20-%20COVERAGE%20by%20ODK%20and%20OFF%20FORM.pdf?dl=0Some of the reports like above we still run as coaches and we know it... my QBs I coach know it... but we don't give it out like we used to. Those reports take time to make, and are awesome, but not worth the time unless you have a special group of kids who are HUNGRY for the info.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 13:19:17 GMT -6
ALL OF IT. And its coaches fault. The only thing kids ever with any consistency with any of it is make highlite tapes. What, why are they are watching? Why is what is on the paper important? Its mandarin chinese to them. It is as true here as it was at my first job. We assume kids watch football, much less play football. Do you watch what kids are doing? I guarantee you they are not watching full college/nfl game. And never have. And you think they are going to watch hudl and comeback and say they are in under and whatever bleeping coverage you want? ITS SILLY. You can say its an under defense, βwhat the bleep does that mean?β
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 13:21:32 GMT -6
In my experience, unless you are doing it with them... 90+% of them don't care. Current school I'm at, we just share the scout film, and the coaches tag it up and we watch it together during our meeting times. That is the only time they interact with it (at least a VAST majority of them). I agree with you 100% that if they don't use it and it doesn't help your program it is frustrating and a waste of time that could be spend on more important things (Family). That being said... I've done some pretty cool scouting reports at the last school I was at because it was like 90% of them DID care and we won a lot of games and we did all of the things you are speaking of in your post. Here is an example of some stuff we used to do that was time-consuming, but helped us win a title when our players DID want to read it and do it: Scouting Report Example = www.dropbox.com/s/oi2xbeopmfzydd1/Week%2003%20GP%20-%20%40%20Hunter.pptx?dl=0Coverage Report Example = www.dropbox.com/s/pp7twmnr1dt7770/HUDL%20102b%20-%20COVERAGE%20by%20ODK%20and%20OFF%20FORM.pdf?dl=0Some of the reports like above we still run as coaches and we know it... my QBs I coach know it... but we don't give it out like we used to. Those reports take time to make, and are awesome, but not worth the time unless you have a special group of kids who are HUNGRY for the info. CQMILLER, I have more respect for you than you know, so dont this as a personal attack, its not, its just what it is. If you have to do all the work, that includes dragging them in to watch, WHATS THE POINT? They have tuned you out already. Its all gibberish to them. And I am not against giving it to them. But the super majority are starting them off in calculus. And shocked when its met with blank stare, snores, and doodling.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 30, 2021 14:13:48 GMT -6
Coach walking up to a group of defensive players on the sideline before practice...
Coach: "Here are the scouting reports we have been working on all weekend, guys. Let me pass them out to you and this is for study"
Player: "Where do you want me to align, what am I looking for, and what do you want me to do?"
Coach: "It's all there, just read through and study."
Coach walks away to begin practice.
Player: "I'm going fishing this weekend, you guys want to come along?"
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Post by wolfden12 on Oct 30, 2021 15:33:19 GMT -6
In my experience, unless you are doing it with them... 90+% of them don't care. Current school I'm at, we just share the scout film, and the coaches tag it up and we watch it together during our meeting times. That is the only time they interact with it (at least a VAST majority of them). I agree with you 100% that if they don't use it and it doesn't help your program it is frustrating and a waste of time that could be spend on more important things (Family). That being said... I've done some pretty cool scouting reports at the last school I was at because it was like 90% of them DID care and we won a lot of games and we did all of the things you are speaking of in your post. Here is an example of some stuff we used to do that was time-consuming, but helped us win a title when our players DID want to read it and do it: Scouting Report Example = www.dropbox.com/s/oi2xbeopmfzydd1/Week%2003%20GP%20-%20%40%20Hunter.pptx?dl=0Coverage Report Example = www.dropbox.com/s/pp7twmnr1dt7770/HUDL%20102b%20-%20COVERAGE%20by%20ODK%20and%20OFF%20FORM.pdf?dl=0Some of the reports like above we still run as coaches and we know it... my QBs I coach know it... but we don't give it out like we used to. Those reports take time to make, and are awesome, but not worth the time unless you have a special group of kids who are HUNGRY for the info. Appreciate Coach. Just looking at what some other people do. I'm sure everyone has dealt with this at one point. Looking also at any creative ways that coaches/programs have delivered information on their stuff (install) or opponent (scouting report).
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Post by carookie on Oct 30, 2021 17:24:48 GMT -6
Upcoming opponent film- Yes, we show it in conjunction to a scouting report. But there are a couple things with this, you don't just show it to them and expect them to learn. You have to teach them how to watch film, and not just be a fan. To study their opponent and see what things look like and how to translate it on to the field. Also, don't just let the film play, have the plays set up to correlate with the scouting report to match what you want them to see, and trim it down so they can best learn what to prepare for.
Cut-ups for position- If you got enough quality coaches to break it down and show film this way then yes. But they must be able to present film correctly. Otherwise no.
Scouting Report- Yes, but once again this isnt just throwing out pictures of all the things they do. Limit it to things that the players can actually use. Top formations & plays, and any useful and heavy tendencies. Limit it to what you could teach in about 30-45 min (in conjunction with films).
Position summary sheet for opponent- Probably not, anything pertinent delivered this way would be handled above (in film and scouting report).
Roster/depth chart- Same as above
I know there are a number of coaches who deride this as extra work we throw at kids that they won't pay attention to, but I have seen it often be a benefit to teams and that most kids will take to this stuff if chunked up correctly and presented in an understandable/digestible manner.
I once worked for a coach who didn't want to do this and claimed 'the kids we had arent the type that could handle it'. I voluntarily did it on my own (with his knowledge) and by mid season the kids were begging for more, talking mid game how the keys were spot on, and how much they liked 'em.
Sure some kids will just zone out and ignore it, but we shouldn't dull the diamonds just to appease the others. Just make sure you present it correctly and don't just throw out loads of info and expect it to be absorbed.
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 30, 2021 19:57:49 GMT -6
You could be like Bill Belichick and quiz your players during the week and ask them what town the 3rd string strong safety is from....Because that's sooooo relevant to the gameplan π
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2021 20:40:30 GMT -6
You could be like Bill Belichick and quiz your players during the week and ask them what town the 3rd string strong safety is from....Because that's sooooo relevant to the gameplan π Just for fun though, while that factoid isn't, I suppose one could argue that setting the expectation of level of preparation he expects is important. I agree, I wouldn't care too much about that either LOL.
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 30, 2021 21:00:51 GMT -6
You could be like Bill Belichick and quiz your players during the week and ask them what town the 3rd string strong safety is from....Because that's sooooo relevant to the gameplan π Just for fun though, while that factoid isn't, I suppose one could argue that setting the expectation of level of preparation he expects is important.Β I agree, I wouldn't care too much about that either LOL.Β I hear ya. Just seemed like considering how much he already piles on their plates in terms of scheme and weekly scouting information, he would want to make sure they worry about remembering pertinent information...
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Post by jlenwood on Oct 31, 2021 6:11:00 GMT -6
I think it depends on the "team/players/commitment".
The best team I ever coached on had players who watched football, had played football for a long time, who loved to compete and wanted to win. The HC was in the building and would had a small room between his classroom and another teachers classroom. He would cover the windows with paper, call the office and request certain students to come to his office, and the for the period those guys (seniors mostly) would break down film and truly study it. Those same dudes would sometimes show up at my house to watch film with me. They won a lot of games.
I have also had teams of kids who just were not winners. Hell, one week we are playing are most hated rival so practice is gonna be intense all week (in theory). By Wednesday I asked one of our senior "leaders" how much film he had watched and he asked "Who are we even playing this week"...needless t say my head exploded.
In other words, you can't force kids to do what we want them to do. If you do, most of them will just breeze thru it and really not get the info they need. Only those who just are dying to win or even want to compete and be the best will actually "study".
Just my experience and opinion.
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Post by MICoach on Nov 1, 2021 8:45:18 GMT -6
We share film, cut-ups of the film based on personnel, and usually an opponent tendency report.
We watch film with the players so in those sessions we will talk about who their best players are what their general philosophy is. Usually any sort of report or breakdown is mostly for the coaches but we will bring it up in film to talk about how it is relevant to them (i.e. "when they are in 10 personnel they throw the ball 80% of the time, so defense what should we expect when we see these formations?").
We usually have a handful of kids who will actually grind film and try to learn from it, several who just watch it to make highlights, and a bunch who don't watch at all. This is a big reason why we watch the film with them - chances are they take away more from 10 minutes with the coaches than they would in their hour and a half making a highlight tape.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 2, 2021 16:45:23 GMT -6
Honestly at this point in my career I know they will never ever ever take it as serious as we do. Ever. I didn't share a ton of stuff with the team. Break down the ODK, formation, play, and play type in HUDL so they can sort through if they want. One page formation sheet, one sheet top runs, one sheet top passes. If there were any dead give a ways then share that too. Install game plan all week in practice.
Never felt the need for a 20 page report as the only thing that would do is create more trash to throw out during the week as you find them scattered all over the locker room. Now of course there are groups that eat it all up study it and those guys are real fun to coach.
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Post by CoachSP on Nov 3, 2021 8:22:43 GMT -6
We share the opponents' film with the team. We watch about 20 minutes of film with them everyday. During those sessions, I filter which plays I want to watch with them rather than just running down the list. Which plays/clips I pick varies on the team/situation or something we need to improve on. But, by the end of the week, we have seen all their favorite stuff on screen and at practice.
As far as sharing things with the kids: I create a PowerPoint and upload it to Hudl every week. It's usually no more than a handful of slides and very few words.
It consists of: -General Rules for the week (strength, checks, potential play calls: this is the wordiest slide) -Alignments to anything that is a "check" -Alignments to "special" formations (usually anything we haven't seen much of) -New Blitzes/Stunts (If applicable)
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